|
Post by Han Solo on Mar 8, 2023 15:17:38 GMT
Well it is generally and will make minimal difference. if you read my posts about them being moved on by the council they don’t have the right to set up anywhere they like. The same result is likely regardless of whether it’s civil or criminal namely that they’ll be moved on.
I also think it’s highly unlikely they’d be sent to prison unless there were other factors to be considered around more serious offences.
As I said there are many permanent sites around too that are available for travellers to setup on. I know at least 5 of within 10 miles where I live. From my experience the majority of travellers are as good as gold and keep themselves to themselves and you wouldn’t know they were as they’re in there own little private community. The issues are primarily caused by those travellers travelling from there permanent sites to go to fayres that aren’t local to where they live (Epsom being the big one). Because they don’t need to take ownership as it’s not where they live the do have a habit of causing issues because they know it’s very difficult to find them once they’re gone. I know this as I’ve met a few young travellers and they’re good lads who tend to leave school early and learn “traveller skills” which is a great idea which i believe could be utilised by those kids that struggle with mainstream education. The Law became effective on 28th June 2022 Two weeks later on 14th July 2022 it was used to arrest 2 people and seize at least 4 Vehicles/Homes Your opinion of how this should or will operate is far from the reality www.travellerstimes.org.uk/news/2022/07/new-police-powers-arrest-used-against-traveller-camp-milton-keynesI doubt your resource is an independent one and appears to have left some key details conveniently out. It’s the equivalent of the Daily Mail for the Tories. Looks like it’s linked to a bigger story www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/people/milton-keynes-secondary-school-forced-to-close-as-travellers-set-up-illegal-encampment-in-its-field-3763030Thoughts? Who’s in the right the travellers? Looks like they were driving recklessly on the fields and damaging a water main all after breaking the gates to gain entry forcing the school to close because they couldn’t guarantee the safety of pupils. These new powers I’d imagine would have sped the eviction process up.
|
|
|
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 15:35:16 GMT
|
|
|
Post by knype on Mar 8, 2023 15:47:34 GMT
Yeah of course! You love banding the nazi stuff around, 99.99999999999999% of the time its complete bollocks It would seem we haven't learned from history mate. Have you? Yeah because it's the same thing 🙄
|
|
|
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 15:49:54 GMT
It would seem we haven't learned from history mate. Have you? Yeah because it's the same thing 🙄 Certainly look that way. Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
|
|
|
Post by knype on Mar 8, 2023 15:50:52 GMT
Yeah of course! You love banding the nazi stuff around, 99.99999999999999% of the time its complete bollocks Do you think the majority of Germans voting in the Nazi party, thought they were voting in a group of facists who were going to start a world war? I understand it is a sensitive topic for snowflakes and that they can take offense to it. But like it or not, there are comparisons between this flavour of Conservative (not all historical Conservative cabinets) and the Nazi party. And if you don't agree then feel free to explain why the comparisons in the image are incorrect. Or explain why another party is more like the nazis, show the similarities between labour and the nazi party which counter this. I don't think you can though. Why would I link any current party to the Nazi's, that's just idiotic and jumping on one of the country's biggest virtue signaller / champagne socialist ever born.
|
|
|
Post by wannabee on Mar 8, 2023 16:01:45 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Han Solo on Mar 8, 2023 16:13:29 GMT
What about your previous post you don’t appear to have commented about my response to that?
|
|
|
Post by wannabee on Mar 8, 2023 16:20:13 GMT
What about your previous post you don’t appear to have commented about my response to that? Can you not join the Dots? If there are no Legal Transit Sites its very likely Travellers will pitch up at illegal Sites and are likely to cause disruption and will be unhygienic as they will have no Water or Sanitary Facilities
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Mar 8, 2023 16:25:38 GMT
Yeah of course! You love banding the nazi stuff around, 99.99999999999999% of the time its complete bollocks Do you think the majority of Germans voting in the Nazi party, thought they were voting in a group of facists who were going to start a world war? I understand it is a sensitive topic for snowflakes and that they can take offense to it. But like it or not, there are comparisons between this flavour of Conservative (not all historical Conservative cabinets) and the Nazi party. And if you don't agree then feel free to explain why the comparisons in the image are incorrect. Or explain why another party is more like the nazis, show the similarities between labour and the nazi party which counter this. I don't think you can though. I don't think Rishi or Suella would have met the Nazi Party requirements somehow- just a hunch! It's a ridiculous false equivalence- just as bad as this (for a bit of balance): www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/04/ann-widdecombe-likens-brexit-to-emancipation-of-slavesIf anyone should be likened to Nazis in all this, surely it's the people smugglers who are sending these people to their deaths?
|
|
|
Post by Han Solo on Mar 8, 2023 16:34:02 GMT
What about your previous post you don’t appear to have commented about my response to that? Can you not join the Dots? If there are no Legal Transit Sites its very likely Travellers will pitch up at illegal Sites and are likely to cause disruption and will be unhygienic as they will have no Water or Sanitary Facilities Surely there’d be more sympathy if they behaved themselves when they do illegally encamp. As you say there are a number of permanent sites and from my experience the majority that cause issues like this are from permanent sites on their travels to fayres. I get your argument re the water however that’s not an excuse for driving dangerously, stealing or behaving anti socially. So “joining up the dots” as you put it. What you’re saying is because the travellers are not able to pitch up permanently where they want when they want and because where they choose doesn’t already have facilities in place it gives them the right and justifiable excuse to damage property, ruin a school playing field and cause issues for the locals who are lawfully living in the area?
|
|
|
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 16:49:52 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 16:58:34 GMT
How many jobs were cut in the sector that deals with applications around the Covid period? Looking at some of these graphics, the numbers seem to rocket up around 2019.
|
|
|
Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 17:06:11 GMT
Do you think the majority of Germans voting in the Nazi party, thought they were voting in a group of facists who were going to start a world war? I understand it is a sensitive topic for snowflakes and that they can take offense to it. But like it or not, there are comparisons between this flavour of Conservative (not all historical Conservative cabinets) and the Nazi party. And if you don't agree then feel free to explain why the comparisons in the image are incorrect. Or explain why another party is more like the nazis, show the similarities between labour and the nazi party which counter this. I don't think you can though. I don't think Rishi or Suella would have met the Nazi Party requirements somehow- just a hunch! It's a ridiculous false equivalence- just as bad as this (for a bit of balance): www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/04/ann-widdecombe-likens-brexit-to-emancipation-of-slavesIf anyone should be likened to Nazis in all this, surely it's the people smugglers who are sending these people to their deaths? These were some of their key policies when they were first starting out: A strong Germany - the Treaty of Versailles should be abolished and all German-speaking people united in one country. Social Darwinism - the idea that the Aryan race was superior and Jews were 'subhuman'. Autarky - the idea that Germany should be economically self-sufficient. That Germany was in danger - from communists and Jews, who had to be destroyed. Of course comparisons can be drawn between that and some of the brexit and immigration stuff the conservative party have spouted in recent years. The last point particularly is just like Suella telling people that we could have 100 million immigrants invading our shores. Our how Rishi constantly refers to them as criminals and murderers and such too. It's very similar propaganda tactics being used. The conservative party is not, as of yet, like the Nazi party which caused atrocities across the world. But parallels and comparisons can certainly be drawn between the curent conservative party and the propaganda deployed over the last few years, and the way the Nazi party also utilised propaganda to come into power. As I said earlier, they weren't voted in because they said they were going to start a world war and kill jews. They were brought in due to their promises they made such as: - Nationalising energy and water - Better pensions - Land to be given to farmers - Special laws applied to foreigners - Treaty of Versailles should be abolished - Immigration should be stopped - Government control over newspapers - Creating a strong central government Even the cost of living crisis we are experiencing now draws parallels to the time of the rise of the nazis: "During the economic depression between 1930 and 1933, many people were affected and poverty hit Germany hard. Extreme political parties offering simple solutions to their problems appeared at both ends of the political spectrum. Between 1930 and 1933, support for the extreme right-wing Nazis and the extreme left-wing communists soared." So of course comparisons can be drawn between the two parties. It's ignorant to suggest there can be no comparison at all despite how offended some people may be by it.
|
|
|
Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2023 18:09:37 GMT
It really is incredible how short people's memories are, as the tweet that Huddy originally linked shows, they were pulling the same trick, just a year ago and people are STILL falling for it again. They have got ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of trying to stop the boats, this is a crisis completely (and intentionally) made of their own making. Look at the graph below, the numbers coming over have hardly moved for years but the Government have deliberately turned it into a major issue, so that they can use it as a political tool, when they need a bogey man to deflect attention from the complete fuck up they've made of running the country. They already know that the bill will never pass and then six months before the election, they can blame lefty lawyers, they can blame the Labour Party and they'll even blame the EU (even though the ECHR has got fuck all to do with the EU) for it's failure to go through. It's a long term, strategic plan to stoke a culture war and it is exactly the reason that Lee Anderson has had his profile raised to such an extent, they now see this being their only possible route to survival at the next election. It worked for Brexit. Why not use it again? When your own policies don't make ordinary people's lives better, in fact make them worse in many cases, you need to give them an object of hate to focus on. This government is in danger of making this country a really unpleasant place to be for the foreseeable future. It's tapping into the same base motives that were employed in the 30s in Germany. The comparison is entirely valid.
|
|
|
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 18:20:49 GMT
|
|
|
Post by wannabee on Mar 8, 2023 18:45:10 GMT
Refugee Blues” is, in part, about the fear and desperation of being a refugee. The speaker is terrified of returning to Germany, but also is unable to find a safe haven elsewhere. As a result, the speaker is isolated and in limbo, trapped between countries without a clear sense of home.
Refugee Blues - a peom by W H Auden (Published in 1939 before outbreak of WW 11)
Let’s say there are 10 million people in this city. Some are living in mansions; some are living in slums. But there’s nowhere for us to live, my dear, there’s nowhere for us to live.
We used to belong to a nation, and we thought it was beautiful. If you look in the atlas, you’ll see it. But we can’t go there anymore, my dear, we can’t go there anymore.
An old yew tree grows outside the village church. Every spring, it blossoms again. But our old passports don’t blossom in the spring, my dear, they don’t blossom in the spring.
The immigration official slammed his fist down on the table and shouted, “If you don’t have a passport, then you’re legally dead.” But we’re still living, my dear, we’re still living.
I went to a committee for help and they told me to take a seat—then told me to wait until next year. But where will we go right now, my dear, where will we go right now?
I went to a political rally where the speaker said: “If we let the refugees enter our country, they’ll take our food.” He was talking about you and me, my dear, he was talking about you and me.
I thought I heard thunder in the sky. It was Hitler above Europe, saying, “They must die.” He was talking about you and me, my dear, he was talking about you and me.
I saw a poodle wearing a jacket fastened with a brooch. I saw a door open to let a cat in. But these were not German Jews, my dear, they weren’t German Jews.
I stood on the pier down at the harbor. I saw the fish swimming there—and they looked free enough. They were only ten feet away from me, my dear, only ten feet away.
I went for a walk in the woods and saw birds in the trees. They don’t care about the politicians; they sang freely. They weren’t human beings, my dear, they weren’t human beings.
In my dream, I saw a building a thousand stories tall. It had a thousand windows and a thousand doors. But not one of them belonged to us, my dear, not one belonged to us.
I stood in a big field in the falling snow, while ten thousand soldiers marched back and forth, looking for us, my dear, looking for us.
|
|
|
Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 18:50:23 GMT
Going off topic here and being a bit shallow, but I have to say Marina is much more refreshing to look at than the granny club with Theresa May, Theresa Coffey, Liz Truss and Co.
|
|
|
Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 18:54:55 GMT
It doesn't really make sense does it
|
|
|
Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 18:59:45 GMT
Imagine if the nazis were to commit genocide on Jewish people today. With no legal routes to the UK they would just be left to their own devices. And if they did somehow manage to get here, they could be used as slaves.
Mental.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Mar 8, 2023 19:05:51 GMT
Going off topic here and being a bit shallow, but I have to say Marina is much more refreshing to look at than the granny club with Theresa May, Theresa Coffey, Liz Truss and Co. Granny club? Truss is 47!
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2023 19:05:51 GMT
|
|
|
Post by yeswilko on Mar 8, 2023 19:08:11 GMT
It doesn't really make sense does it They want people at the BBC to be fearful of losing their jobs if they criticise the government. It's been going on in plain sight to be honest and it's pretty outrageous. I can can imagine there's a continued threat of scrapping the license fee unless tories get the top jobs at the BBC.
|
|
|
Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 19:24:54 GMT
Going off topic here and being a bit shallow, but I have to say Marina is much more refreshing to look at than the granny club with Theresa May, Theresa Coffey, Liz Truss and Co. Granny club? Truss is 47! She looks about 67 lol
|
|
|
Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 8, 2023 19:27:08 GMT
It doesn't really make sense does it The black sheep of the Bee Gees?
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 8, 2023 19:34:56 GMT
This is a perfect example of what I said yesterday mate ... You are not allowed to apply for asylum in the UK unless you are physically on UK soil but you can't physically come on to UK soil, unless you have already been given asylum. Why has not one single journalist pushed them on this? The whole thing is beyond ridicule, they either think that WE are a bunch of fuckwits that will swallow any old shit, or THEY are the fuckwits themselves because they can't even see how batshit bonkers their proposal actually is! 🤦♂️
|
|
|
Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 8, 2023 19:36:31 GMT
This is a perfect example of what I said yesterday mate ... You are not allowed to apply for asylum in the UK unless you are physically on UK soil but you can't physically come on to UK soil, unless you have already been given asylum. Why has not one single journalist pushed them on this? The whole thing is beyond ridicule, they either think that WE are a bunch of fuckwits that will swallow any old shit, or THEY are the fuckwits themselves because they can't even see how batshit bonkers their proposal actually is! 🤦♂️ I imagine the former
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 8, 2023 19:42:50 GMT
This is a perfect example of what I said yesterday mate ... You are not allowed to apply for asylum in the UK unless you are physically on UK soil but you can't physically come on to UK soil, unless you have already been given asylum. Why has not one single journalist pushed them on this? The whole thing is beyond ridicule, they either think that WE are a bunch of fuckwits that will swallow any old shit, or THEY are the fuckwits themselves because they can't even see how batshit bonkers their proposal actually is! 🤦♂️ I imagine the former Oh me too Badge, me too.
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 8, 2023 19:50:15 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Eggybread on Mar 8, 2023 19:59:45 GMT
Just watching a program on BBC2 showing Asian families living in Birmingham in the 70s.It has just showed some footage of a NF march ,low and behold many of the placards and banners had the slogan enough is enough sprawled across them. So you can add the latest enough is enough mantra to the list of extreme right "coincidences" adopted by our government.
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 8, 2023 20:52:37 GMT
Anybody think that she isn't lying?
|
|