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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 11:35:19 GMT
On what? The Facts or your Personal Opinions? How the “facts” are interpreted (by both sides) and yes I do have an opinion too which I like to base arount personal experience. An opinion from you at some point on any subject would be great.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 11:35:29 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 11:36:25 GMT
Blimey Huddy youve outdone yourself there.......thats just poor form mate sorry. If youre so insensed by thia all, let some gypos rock up on your driveway and let them stay there for a few weeks. NIMBY The parallels are there and are worrying.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 8, 2023 11:46:04 GMT
On what? The Facts or your Personal Opinions? How the “facts” are interpreted (by both sides) and yes I do have an opinion too which I like to base arount personal experience. You said Peaceful Protest was protected under ECHR which is only true to the extent a Country defines what a decides is a Peaceful Protest. I gave you 2 examples past and present which the New Law prohibits and a large portion of people would be against You said the New Law on Gypsies, Roma and Travellers was just minor What could be minor about turning a Civiv Offence into a Criminal Offence with imprisonment and seizure of their Vehicles/Homes Dems the Facts
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 12:05:05 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2023 12:05:32 GMT
Blimey Huddy youve outdone yourself there.......thats just poor form mate sorry. If youre so insensed by thia all, let some gypos rock up on your driveway and let them stay there for a few weeks. NIMBY Considering nearly 80% of Gypsy and Roma people live in fixed accommodation and many of the remaining have been kicked off/unable to find permanent sites I think you're just showing your pig ignorance to be fair.............
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Post by Han Solo on Mar 8, 2023 12:10:46 GMT
How the “facts” are interpreted (by both sides) and yes I do have an opinion too which I like to base arount personal experience. You said Peaceful Protest was protected under ECHR which is only true to the extent a Country defines what a decides is a Peaceful Protest. I gave you 2 examples past and present which the New Law prohibits and a large portion of people would be against You said the New Law on Gypsies, Roma and Travellers was just minor What could be minor about turning a Civiv Offence into a Criminal Offence with imprisonment and seizure of their Vehicles/Homes Dems the Facts Well it is generally and will make minimal difference. if you read my posts about them being moved on by the council they don’t have the right to set up anywhere they like. The same result is likely regardless of whether it’s civil or criminal namely that they’ll be moved on. I also think it’s highly unlikely they’d be sent to prison unless there were other factors to be considered around more serious offences. As I said there are many permanent sites around too that are available for travellers to setup on. I know at least 5 of within 10 miles where I live. From my experience the majority of travellers are as good as gold and keep themselves to themselves and you wouldn’t know they were as they’re in there own little private community. The issues are primarily caused by those travellers travelling from there permanent sites to go to fayres that aren’t local to where they live (Epsom being the big one). Because they don’t need to take ownership as it’s not where they live the do have a habit of causing issues because they know it’s very difficult to find them once they’re gone. I know this as I’ve met a few young travellers and they’re good lads who tend to leave school early and learn “traveller skills” which is a great idea which i believe could be utilised by those kids that struggle with mainstream education.
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Post by knype on Mar 8, 2023 12:14:16 GMT
Blimey Huddy youve outdone yourself there.......thats just poor form mate sorry. If youre so insensed by thia all, let some gypos rock up on your driveway and let them stay there for a few weeks. NIMBY The parallels are there and are worrying. Absolutely disgusting that you are comparing the 2. An all time low for you !
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 12:16:39 GMT
The parallels are there and are worrying. Absolutely disgusting that you are comparing the 2. An all time low for you ! Wondered when you'd rock up with your faux outrage.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 8, 2023 12:18:19 GMT
Why do you say it is a good bill if you can’t tell me any differences it will make? A viable alternative is to provide safe legal routes for asylum seekers to come here via British Embassies around the world, and for their claims to be processed within 28 days. Then make the small boat crossing illegal because we would have a viable safe and legal alternative. The people trafficker’s business model would be destroyed, the boats would all but stop, and genuine asylum seekers could still come here. It is very simple. You make it sound simple. Your idea would be obliterated within weeks. It would do absolutely nothing to stop the illegal channel crossings. Sunak's plan should, in theory, deter interest in crossing illegally when those involved realise and start to see what happens to those who try it - Zero legal protection, detention and subsequent swift, safe return to the country they are from. The proposal quite clearly still allows for safe refuge of those who have a fair case to be here - Unlike the vast majority of the 15,000 Albanian migrants that arrived last year from France. It's utterly pathetic that you're so "triggered" by the proposal. What is utterly pathetic is how easily you are seduced by the proposal.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 8, 2023 12:21:59 GMT
Blimey Huddy youve outdone yourself there.......thats just poor form mate sorry. If youre so insensed by thia all, let some gypos rock up on your driveway and let them stay there for a few weeks. NIMBY Considering nearly 80% of Gypsy and Roma people live in fixed accommodation and many of the remaining have been kicked off/unable to find permanent sites I think you're just showing your pig ignorance to be fair............. Cheers !
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Post by wannabee on Mar 8, 2023 12:29:01 GMT
You said Peaceful Protest was protected under ECHR which is only true to the extent a Country defines what a decides is a Peaceful Protest. I gave you 2 examples past and present which the New Law prohibits and a large portion of people would be against You said the New Law on Gypsies, Roma and Travellers was just minor What could be minor about turning a Civiv Offence into a Criminal Offence with imprisonment and seizure of their Vehicles/Homes Dems the Facts Well it is generally and will make minimal difference. if you read my posts about them being moved on by the council they don’t have the right to set up anywhere they like. The same result is likely regardless of whether it’s civil or criminal namely that they’ll be moved on.
I also think it’s highly unlikely they’d be sent to prison unless there were other factors to be considered around more serious offences.
As I said there are many permanent sites around too that are available for travellers to setup on. I know at least 5 of within 10 miles where I live. From my experience the majority of travellers are as good as gold and keep themselves to themselves and you wouldn’t know they were as they’re in there own little private community. The issues are primarily caused by those travellers travelling from there permanent sites to go to fayres that aren’t local to where they live (Epsom being the big one). Because they don’t need to take ownership as it’s not where they live the do have a habit of causing issues because they know it’s very difficult to find them once they’re gone. I know this as I’ve met a few young travellers and they’re good lads who tend to leave school early and learn “traveller skills” which is a great idea which i believe could be utilised by those kids that struggle with mainstream education. The Law became effective on 28th June 2022 Two weeks later on 14th July 2022 it was used to arrest 2 people and seize at least 4 Vehicles/Homes Your opinion of how this should or will operate is far from the reality www.travellerstimes.org.uk/news/2022/07/new-police-powers-arrest-used-against-traveller-camp-milton-keynes
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Post by andystokey on Mar 8, 2023 13:11:26 GMT
We can all see where we are heading, the "lefty lawyer" rhetoric and the "Stop the Boats ( w*gs ") slogans will take all sensible debate off the table.
This is "Conservative compassion" apparently the doublespeak is terrifying.
Look, look over here.!!!
Ignore the millions of tons of human shit pumped into our rivers to boost foreign shareholders dividends. Ignore the corruption, the cost of living. The wokey left will give your hospital bed to a foreigner. Ignore the fact we are selling the Country's assets at the same time to the "wealthy foreigner" hes one of my besties.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 8, 2023 13:18:26 GMT
We can all see where we are heading, the "lefty lawyer" rhetoric and the "Stop the Boats ( w*gs ") slogans will take all sensible debate off the table. This is "Conservative compassion" apparently the doublespeak is terrifying. Look, look over here.!!! Ignore the millions of tons of human shit pumped into our rivers to boost foreign shareholders dividends. Ignore the corruption, the cost of living. The wokey left will give your hospital bed to a foreigner. Ignore the fact we are selling the Country's assets at the same time to the "wealthy foreigner" hes one of my besties. Yvette Cooper nailed this in Parliament yesterday. This is dog whistle rabble rousing of the worst kind which they know will fail and merely serves as an excuse to blame bogeyman groups for this failure.
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Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 13:18:38 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 13:19:19 GMT
We can all see where we are heading, the "lefty lawyer" rhetoric and the "Stop the Boats ( w*gs ") slogans will take all sensible debate off the table. This is "Conservative compassion" apparently the doublespeak is terrifying. Look, look over here.!!! Ignore the millions of tons of human shit pumped into our rivers to boost foreign shareholders dividends. Ignore the corruption, the cost of living. The wokey left will give your hospital bed to a foreigner. Ignore the fact we are selling the Country's assets at the same time to the "wealthy foreigner" hes one of my besties. Yvette Cooper nailed this in Parliament yesterday. This is dog whistle rabble rousing of the worst kind which they know will fail and merely serves as an excuse to blame bogeyman groups for this failure. The Tory party has gone full on Fascist.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 8, 2023 13:24:59 GMT
Yvette Cooper nailed this in Parliament yesterday. This is dog whistle rabble rousing of the worst kind which they know will fail and merely serves as an excuse to blame bogeyman groups for this failure. The Tory party has gone full on Fascist. The Tory party has been subject to an internal coup and would now be unrecognisable to the majority of the Thatcher cabinet, and that is saying something.
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Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 13:27:59 GMT
The 4 tory supporters on the oatcake right now still continuing their defence of the party which were laughing at them during covid:
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 13:28:08 GMT
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Post by knype on Mar 8, 2023 13:38:08 GMT
Absolutely disgusting that you are comparing the 2. An all time low for you ! Wondered when you'd rock up with your faux outrage. Yeah of course! You love banding the nazi stuff around, 99.99999999999999% of the time its complete bollocks
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 13:40:36 GMT
Wondered when you'd rock up with your faux outrage. Yeah of course! You love banding the nazi stuff around, 99.99999999999999% of the time its complete bollocks It would seem we haven't learned from history mate. Have you?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 8, 2023 13:40:54 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 13:49:19 GMT
Wondered when you'd rock up with your faux outrage. Yeah of course! You love banding the nazi stuff around, 99.99999999999999% of the time its complete bollocks Do you think the majority of Germans voting in the Nazi party, thought they were voting in a group of facists who were going to start a world war? I understand it is a sensitive topic for snowflakes and that they can take offense to it. But like it or not, there are comparisons between this flavour of Conservative (not all historical Conservative cabinets) and the Nazi party. And if you don't agree then feel free to explain why the comparisons in the image are incorrect. Or explain why another party is more like the nazis, show the similarities between labour and the nazi party which counter this. I don't think you can though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 8, 2023 14:05:05 GMT
So there's a pretty good chance that Braverman has broken the ministerial code with the email she sent out and signed yesterday. So what is her response? Apologise? Nope. Withdraw the statement? Nope. Just tell the gullible fuckers it didn't come from me. They are laughing at us!
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Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2023 14:10:06 GMT
So there's a pretty good chance that Braverman has broken the ministerial code with the email she sent out and signed yesterday. So what is her response? Apologise? Nope. Withdraw the statement? Nope. Just tell the gullible fuckers it didn't come from me. They are laughing at us! Maybe Rishi will get an independent advisor to investigate it for us and let us know the conclusions by 2054.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 8, 2023 14:17:34 GMT
So there's a pretty good chance that Braverman has broken the ministerial code with the email she sent out and signed yesterday. So what is her response? Apologise? Nope. Withdraw the statement? Nope. Just tell the gullible fuckers it didn't come from me. They are laughing at us! She probably leaked it herself as well…
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Post by slash on Mar 8, 2023 14:25:24 GMT
so is it greg hands who broke section five of the ministerial code by questioning civil servant impartiality? who wants to be the fall guy for the latest tory created tory mess? the underside of the bus must be quite full by now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 8, 2023 14:31:20 GMT
It really is incredible how short people's memories are, as the tweet that Huddy originally linked shows, they were pulling the same trick, just a year ago and people are STILL falling for it again.
They have got ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of trying to stop the boats, this is a crisis completely (and intentionally) made of their own making.
Look at the graph below, the numbers coming over have hardly moved for years but the Government have deliberately turned it into a major issue, so that they can use it as a political tool, when they need a bogey man to deflect attention from the complete fuck up they've made of running the country.
They already know that the bill will never pass and then six months before the election, they can blame lefty lawyers, they can blame the Labour Party and they'll even blame the EU (even though the ECHR has got fuck all to do with the EU) for it's failure to go through.
It's a long term, strategic plan to stoke a culture war and it is exactly the reason that Lee Anderson has had his profile raised to such an extent, they now see this being their only possible route to survival at the next election.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 8, 2023 14:43:39 GMT
So there's a pretty good chance that Braverman has broken the ministerial code with the email she sent out and signed yesterday. So what is her response? Apologise? Nope. Withdraw the statement? Nope. Just tell the gullible fuckers it didn't come from me. They are laughing at us! She was sacked for breaching the ministerial code before. Then offered another ministerial job less than a week later. Classic Tories.
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Post by slash on Mar 8, 2023 14:48:39 GMT
It really is incredible how short people's memories are, as the tweet that Huddy originally linked shows, they were pulling the same trick, just a year ago and people are STILL falling for it again. They have got ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of trying to stop the boats, this is a crisis completely (and intentionally) made of their own making. Look at the graph below, the numbers coming over have hardly moved for years but the Government have deliberately turned it into a major issue, so that they can use it as a political tool, when they need a bogey man to deflect attention from the complete fuck up they've made of running the country. They already know that the bill will never pass and then six months before the election, they can blame lefty lawyers, they can blame the Labour Party and they'll even blame the EU (even though the ECHR has got fuck all to do with the EU) for it's failure to go through. It's a long term, strategic plan to stoke a culture war and it is exactly the reason that Lee Anderson has had his profile raised to such an extent, they now see this being their only possible route to survival at the next election. it's a targeted policy to keep immigration on the front page distraction from the crises in cost of living, the NHS, social care, housing, child care, rail, energy, water and sewage, local authority services, the economy, etc. i can't fathom why people want the tories to remain in power when it's so obvious they're shit at it, but gin soaked pensioners are nothing if not gullible i suppose.
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