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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 5, 2023 12:42:41 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Mar 5, 2023 13:36:26 GMT
You know its bad when Rishi and the BBC have announced the Rwanda deal as headline news for the second time today lol. The mighty deal which has sent 0 people to Rwanda so far. That'll get the British public back on board by pretending they're dealing with their own self inflicted issues on the country. Maybe rishi will announce another 40 new hospitals again too today It's quite ridiculous this Rwanda bullshit keeps getting trotted out as a distraction. I had thought they had begun to row back and say it was only ever meant to be a Pilot Scheme for about 400/500 over the next five years, obviously not. Factually the whole Scheme is officially on hold as its legality is currently on Appeal at the High Court, no date has been set. This is before it inevitably reaches the Supreme Court and possibly ECHR depending on previous rulings. Added to the fact that a conflict is currently raging between the Rwanda backed M23 Rebers carrying out atrocities and mass murders in neighbouring DR Congo. This is a Non Starter and I can't understand why no serious journalist is confronting Rishi or any other Minister who trots out this diatribe
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Post by gawa on Mar 5, 2023 14:01:09 GMT
You know its bad when Rishi and the BBC have announced the Rwanda deal as headline news for the second time today lol. The mighty deal which has sent 0 people to Rwanda so far. That'll get the British public back on board by pretending they're dealing with their own self inflicted issues on the country. Maybe rishi will announce another 40 new hospitals again too today It's quite ridiculous this Rwanda bullshit keeps getting trotted out as a distraction. I had thought they had begun to row back and say it was only ever meant to be a Pilot Scheme for about 400/500 over the next five years, obviously not. Factually the whole Scheme is officially on hold as its legality is currently on Appeal at the High Court, no date has been set. This is before it inevitably reaches the Supreme Court and possibly ECHR depending on previous rulings. Added to the fact that a conflict is currently raging between the Rwanda backed M23 Rebers carrying out atrocities and mass murders in neighbouring DR Congo. This is a Non Starter and I can't understand why no serious journalist is confronting Rishi or any other Minister who trots out this diatribe Well that's the BBC for you in a nutshell. Let's not forget the ongoing investigation relating to the BBC general director. But we know how this will all spin anyway. We're effectively a broken record stuck on a loop in this country: - 13 years of uncontrolled immigration getting out of control - "were gonna send them all to Rwanda and fix it" - 12 months on not a single person sent there. - More tory sleeze comes out - Wham Bam BBC headline of the day "Sunak going to send illegal immigrants on boats to Rwanda" - Anyone who has a basic understanding of international law know it isn't practical nor legal. - Sunak comes into PMQs "This party on the other side won't support our bill. They don't care about sorting the immigrant problem." - BBC then lead with this article. Regurgitate and repeat for every other thing which has been destroyed over the last 13 years. NHS, Transport, Education, Housing."This party on this side won't support our bills to 'fix the issue'". And once again its another "issue" which didn't exist 13 years ago. Its like someone putting a match to your house burning it down and then blaming you when you don't support their plan of "Pay serco 100k of your own money to fix the burned house". No accountability, no responsibility. Sleeze and corruption once again today's special on the menu. Anybody else surprised by the lack of coverage from the BBC on the WhatsApp leaks too? Don't get me wrong they've reported on some of them. But there are a lot worse circulating around that have been mentioned in this thread and the BBC haven't reported on it. Also surprised that no court order has been brought on that journalist yet to release the WhatsApp messages in full for the British public. Surely having a right wing journalist drip feeding it through a right wing tabloid isn't going to necessarily show all the controversy? I'm sure some stuff will be ommited to protect their own interests.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 5, 2023 14:48:10 GMT
You know its bad when Rishi and the BBC have announced the Rwanda deal as headline news for the second time today lol. The mighty deal which has sent 0 people to Rwanda so far. That'll get the British public back on board by pretending they're dealing with their own self inflicted issues on the country. Maybe rishi will announce another 40 new hospitals again too today It's quite ridiculous this Rwanda bullshit keeps getting trotted out as a distraction. I had thought they had begun to row back and say it was only ever meant to be a Pilot Scheme for about 400/500 over the next five years, obviously not. Factually the whole Scheme is officially on hold as its legality is currently on Appeal at the High Court, no date has been set. This is before it inevitably reaches the Supreme Court and possibly ECHR depending on previous rulings. Added to the fact that a conflict is currently raging between the Rwanda backed M23 Rebers carrying out atrocities and mass murders in neighbouring DR Congo. This is a Non Starter and I can't understand why no serious journalist is confronting Rishi or any other Minister who trots out this diatribe All you need to do to solve it is allow for asylum seekers to seek asylum at British embassies around the world. Then the Rwanda policy will become legal and useable as there would be a legal viable alternative to come here. Simple.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 5, 2023 15:53:50 GMT
It's quite ridiculous this Rwanda bullshit keeps getting trotted out as a distraction. I had thought they had begun to row back and say it was only ever meant to be a Pilot Scheme for about 400/500 over the next five years, obviously not. Factually the whole Scheme is officially on hold as its legality is currently on Appeal at the High Court, no date has been set. This is before it inevitably reaches the Supreme Court and possibly ECHR depending on previous rulings. Added to the fact that a conflict is currently raging between the Rwanda backed M23 Rebers carrying out atrocities and mass murders in neighbouring DR Congo. This is a Non Starter and I can't understand why no serious journalist is confronting Rishi or any other Minister who trots out this diatribe All you need to do to solve it is allow for asylum seekers to seek asylum at British embassies around the world. Then the Rwanda policy will become legal and useable as there would be a legal viable alternative to come here. Simple. It is only the UK which turns a drama into a crisis .... perhaps deliberately It is perfectly legal under ECHR to return Economic Migrants to a safe Country of Origin, which Albania is. I have written before how Germany solved this problem 8 years ago and returned 98% www.euronews.com/2015/10/08/albanian-migrants-return-home-after-asylum-applications-are-rejected-by-germanyOnly this morning Heaton-Harris being interviewed by Laura Kuensberg was waffling on about New Laws Just sort out the dysfunctional Home Office
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 5, 2023 15:57:23 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 5, 2023 17:26:59 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 5, 2023 17:31:47 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 5, 2023 22:41:32 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 6, 2023 1:13:04 GMT
It's quite ridiculous this Rwanda bullshit keeps getting trotted out as a distraction. I had thought they had begun to row back and say it was only ever meant to be a Pilot Scheme for about 400/500 over the next five years, obviously not. Factually the whole Scheme is officially on hold as its legality is currently on Appeal at the High Court, no date has been set. This is before it inevitably reaches the Supreme Court and possibly ECHR depending on previous rulings. Added to the fact that a conflict is currently raging between the Rwanda backed M23 Rebers carrying out atrocities and mass murders in neighbouring DR Congo. This is a Non Starter and I can't understand why no serious journalist is confronting Rishi or any other Minister who trots out this diatribe All you need to do to solve it is allow for asylum seekers to seek asylum at British embassies around the world. Then the Rwanda policy will become legal and useable as there would be a legal viable alternative to come here. Simple. Absolutely, it is simple. Macron has actually offered to host British processing centres on French soil, so that WE can determine who is an 'illegal' immigrant and who isn't, before they even get here. But we've turned his offer down. Reason? Because we're not the slightest bit interested in solving the 'problem'. The Tories WANT the small boats to keep coming, so that we have somebody to blame and to focus our attention on, they are very much needed as a distraction from the pathetic mess the government has made at running the country.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 6, 2023 2:27:45 GMT
All you need to do to solve it is allow for asylum seekers to seek asylum at British embassies around the world. Then the Rwanda policy will become legal and useable as there would be a legal viable alternative to come here. Simple. Absolutely, it is simple. Macron has actually offered to host British processing centres on French soil, so that WE can determine who is an 'illegal' immigrant and who isn't, before they even get here. But we've turned his offer down. Reason? Because we're not the slightest bit interested in solving the 'problem'. The Tories WANT the small boats to keep coming, so that we have somebody to blame and to focus our attention on, they are very much needed as a distraction from the pathetic mess the government has made at running the country. It's quite extraordinary that the continuous Government Bullshit is allowed to continue without any pushback from even one reputable Journalist Even the Torygraph carried the story you refer to www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/01/uk-must-let-asylum-seekers-make-applications-france-get-channel/The Conservative Spin Doctors and Pollsters constantly monitor the issues of greatest concern to the Voting Public and which Party is seen as best to fix the perceived problem In the Polls "Illegal Immigration" is seen as one of the top issues of people's concern and Conservatives are seen as being more strident in fixing "the problem" than Labour Therefore Conservatives come up with ever more elaborate schemes to keep the pot boiling like Rwanda Even better if Labour outright oppose the Bullshit proposals so they can be accused This is the farce theatre that is played out each Wednesday at PMQs for later headlines in a pliant MSM Conservatives have no interest in fixing the problem it's too good a Vote Winner for the gullible It's far more beneficial to stir up hostility by settling Immigrants in swing seat areas and by extension hostility to Labour It's a very dangerous tactic as we witnessed in Knowsley and with the tragic suicide at Dover Immigration Centre
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 6, 2023 6:09:18 GMT
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Post by Han Solo on Mar 6, 2023 6:57:08 GMT
In relation to WhatsApp gate. I don’t read a lot of news but
- How did the WhatsApp messages come out? - Are they genuine? - If they are can Hancock be dealt with for criminal offences? If not he should be. - Has anyone else from the govt been implicated?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 6, 2023 8:11:06 GMT
In relation to WhatsApp gate. I don’t read a lot of news but - How did the WhatsApp messages come out? - Are they genuine? - If they are can Hancock be dealt with for criminal offences? If not he should be. - Has anyone else from the govt been implicated? Pretend to yourself it's all about stabbings in London and you'll know everything there is to know about it in minutes
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 6, 2023 8:14:12 GMT
Is there an election coming Time to concentrate on migrants again then...and accompanied by some royal photos just for some nice contrast. Classic front pages today.
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Post by Han Solo on Mar 6, 2023 8:18:59 GMT
In relation to WhatsApp gate. I don’t read a lot of news but - How did the WhatsApp messages come out? - Are they genuine? - If they are can Hancock be dealt with for criminal offences? If not he should be. - Has anyone else from the govt been implicated? Pretend to yourself it's all about stabbings in London and you'll know everything there is to know about it in minutes o Not with you on that? A simple explanation would have sufficed. For what it’s worth I think both issues are important but working with young people I’m more in the loop re hearing about young people tragically losing their lives.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 6, 2023 8:20:42 GMT
Pretend to yourself it's all about stabbings in London and you'll know everything there is to know about it in minutes Not with you on that? A simple explanation would have suficed. For what it’s worth I think both issues are important. Just pulling your leg I'm sure you'll find all you need to know about Hancock etc if you spend as much time on it as with the London stabbings.
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Post by Han Solo on Mar 6, 2023 8:22:25 GMT
Not with you on that? A simple explanation would have suficed. For what it’s worth I think both issues are important. Just pulling your leg I'm sure you'll find enough about Hancock etc if you spend as much time on it as with the London stabbings. Look at my amended post and you’ll see why I’m more invested in the issues around young people than Tory corruption. I guess you’re always going to be interested in the issues you’re more personally affected by. In relation to the “stabbings in London” thread I haven’t posted on there for a good while because some of the posters were hammering me for obsessively copy and pasting or posting links way too frequently.
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 6, 2023 8:54:23 GMT
In relation to WhatsApp gate. I don’t read a lot of news but - How did the WhatsApp messages come out? - Are they genuine? - If they are can Hancock be dealt with for criminal offences? If not he should be. - Has anyone else from the govt been implicated? Hancock actually gave them to the journalist who was writing a book with him.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 6, 2023 8:58:12 GMT
Just pulling your leg I'm sure you'll find enough about Hancock etc if you spend as much time on it as with the London stabbings. Look at my amended post and you’ll see why I’m more invested in the issues around young people than Tory corruption. I guess you’re always going to be interested in the issues you’re more personally affected by. In relation to the “stabbings in London” thread I haven’t posted on there for a good while because some of the posters were hammering me for obsessively copy and pasting or posting links way too frequently. Apart from the other day, you mean I'm sure if you googled the Hancock stuff or read some news sites you'd find all you need to know about it. Approach it with the same degree of interest you have on London stabbings and you'll soon be far more knowledgeable than the rest of us.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 6, 2023 9:12:30 GMT
In relation to WhatsApp gate. I don’t read a lot of news but - How did the WhatsApp messages come out? - Are they genuine? - If they are can Hancock be dealt with for criminal offences? If not he should be. - Has anyone else from the govt been implicated? 1. Hancock wanted to make millions out of his experience as Health Secretary during the pandemic. He therefore willingly handed over the messages to the journalist and asked her to write the book. He made her sign a NDA. Hancock is clearly as thick as a plank. 2. The journalist released the messages in breach of her NDA. They are completely genuine. 3. I doubt there will be any criminal implications. Ultimately, no matter how much advice was ignored, no matter how much we did not implement the findings of Exercise Cygnet (a simulation of a pandemic here which made loads of recommendations as to what we needed to do to be prepared for a pandemic in 2016 which were entirely ignored partly because brexit was utilising every spare government resource), the politicians with blood on their hands will get away with their negligent decisions because the pandemic was full of Sophie’s Choices. 4. Yes. Gavin Williamson (Education Secretary at the time) described teachers along the lines of “desperate not to work and to have schools closed”. He accused the people he represented in government as workshy. No doubt he assumes everyone is like a Tory MP. During a big shortage of tests (the reason Hancock decided to ignore advice and allow hospital patients to return to care homes untested), man of the people, Jacob Rees-Mogg was able to get a test couriered to his home for his son. Boris Johnson struggled to understand the data. Hancock covered up the fact that Eat out to Help Out was causing a spike of cases. Simon Case wanted to tell our current PM (whose scheme it was) and if he was told, our current PM also covered this up. I think there is stuff about Hancock’s terrible decision to sack Jeremy Farrer (now one of the most senior and world renowned scientists at the WHO) and replace him and Public Health England with Hancock’s mate, a Telecommunications boss (who also happens to be a Tory life peer and married to a Tory MP), Dido Harding to run the absolute disaster that was Test and Trace (enriching mates at colossal cost to the tax payer). I am sure others are implicated. It is what happens when you vote in a load of self-interested liars.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 6, 2023 9:15:28 GMT
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Post by Han Solo on Mar 6, 2023 9:30:28 GMT
Look at my amended post and you’ll see why I’m more invested in the issues around young people than Tory corruption. I guess you’re always going to be interested in the issues you’re more personally affected by. In relation to the “stabbings in London” thread I haven’t posted on there for a good while because some of the posters were hammering me for obsessively copy and pasting or posting links way too frequently. Apart from the other day, you mean I'm sure if you googled the Hancock stuff or read some news sites you'd find all you need to know about it. Approach it with the same degree of interest you have on London stabbings and you'll soon be far more knowledgeable than the rest of us. I think that prior to that you’re looking at December but let not split hairs It’s funny how a simple question can be turned into something way off the original topic heh. As I said in my previous post people tend to focus on what affects them more personally so forgive me for not really caring about the details too much. I just needed to know the basics which thankfully Topper and Oggy answered for me (cheers guys).
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Post by Han Solo on Mar 6, 2023 9:33:49 GMT
In relation to WhatsApp gate. I don’t read a lot of news but - How did the WhatsApp messages come out? - Are they genuine? - If they are can Hancock be dealt with for criminal offences? If not he should be. - Has anyone else from the govt been implicated? 1. Hancock wanted to make millions out of his experience as Health Secretary during the pandemic. He therefore willingly handed over the messages to the journalist and asked her to write the book. He made her sign a NDA. Hancock is clearly as thick as a plank. 2. The journalist released the messages in breach of her NDA. They are completely genuine. 3. I doubt there will be any criminal implications. Ultimately, no matter how much advice was ignored, no matter how much we did not implement the findings of Exercise Cygnet (a simulation of a pandemic here which made loads of recommendations as to what we needed to do to be prepared for a pandemic in 2016 which were entirely ignored partly because brexit was utilising every spare government resource), the politicians with blood on their hands will get away with their negligent decisions because the pandemic was full of Sophie’s Choices. 4. Yes. Gavin Williamson (Education Secretary at the time) described teachers along the lines of “desperate not to work and to have schools closed”. He accused the people he represented in government as workshy. No doubt he assumes everyone is like a Tory MP. During a big shortage of tests (the reason Hancock decided to ignore advice and allow hospital patients to return to care homes untested), man of the people, Jacob Rees-Mogg was able to get a test couriered to his home for his son. Boris Johnson struggled to understand the data. Hancock covered up the fact that Eat out to Help Out was causing a spike of cases. Simon Case wanted to tell our current PM (whose scheme it was) and if he was told, our current PM also covered this up. I think there is stuff about Hancock’s terrible decision to sack Jeremy Farrer (now one of the most senior and world renowned scientists at the WHO) and replace him and Public Health England with Hancock’s mate, a Telecommunications boss (who also happens to be a Tory life peer and married to a Tory MP), Dido Harding to run the absolute disaster that was Test and Trace (enriching mates at colossal cost to the tax payer). I am sure others are implicated. It is what happens when you vote in a load of self-interested liars. Thanks Oggy. A familiar tale sadly. Shame they won’t be seeing the inside of a cell as it’s what they deserve when you look at what some get sent down for.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 6, 2023 9:51:03 GMT
Apart from the other day, you mean I'm sure if you googled the Hancock stuff or read some news sites you'd find all you need to know about it. Approach it with the same degree of interest you have on London stabbings and you'll soon be far more knowledgeable than the rest of us. I think that prior to that you’re looking at December but let not split hairs It’s funny how a simple question can be turned into something way off the original topic heh. As I said in my previous post people tend to focus on what affects them more personally so forgive me for not really caring about the details too much. I just needed to know the basics which thankfully Topper and Oggy answered for me (cheers guys). I actually think it's great that you spend your working life trying to stop young people in London getting involved in violence. What is the exact nature of your role?
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Post by Han Solo on Mar 6, 2023 10:02:44 GMT
I think that prior to that you’re looking at December but let not split hairs It’s funny how a simple question can be turned into something way off the original topic heh. As I said in my previous post people tend to focus on what affects them more personally so forgive me for not really caring about the details too much. I just needed to know the basics which thankfully Topper and Oggy answered for me (cheers guys). I actually think it's great that you spend your working life trying to stop young people in London getting involved in violence. What is the exact nature of your role? I’ve PMd you. It’s not abusive
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Post by wannabee on Mar 6, 2023 10:29:12 GMT
1. Hancock wanted to make millions out of his experience as Health Secretary during the pandemic. He therefore willingly handed over the messages to the journalist and asked her to write the book. He made her sign a NDA. Hancock is clearly as thick as a plank. 2. The journalist released the messages in breach of her NDA. They are completely genuine. 3. I doubt there will be any criminal implications. Ultimately, no matter how much advice was ignored, no matter how much we did not implement the findings of Exercise Cygnet (a simulation of a pandemic here which made loads of recommendations as to what we needed to do to be prepared for a pandemic in 2016 which were entirely ignored partly because brexit was utilising every spare government resource), the politicians with blood on their hands will get away with their negligent decisions because the pandemic was full of Sophie’s Choices. 4. Yes. Gavin Williamson (Education Secretary at the time) described teachers along the lines of “desperate not to work and to have schools closed”. He accused the people he represented in government as workshy. No doubt he assumes everyone is like a Tory MP. During a big shortage of tests (the reason Hancock decided to ignore advice and allow hospital patients to return to care homes untested), man of the people, Jacob Rees-Mogg was able to get a test couriered to his home for his son. Boris Johnson struggled to understand the data. Hancock covered up the fact that Eat out to Help Out was causing a spike of cases. Simon Case wanted to tell our current PM (whose scheme it was) and if he was told, our current PM also covered this up. I think there is stuff about Hancock’s terrible decision to sack Jeremy Farrer (now one of the most senior and world renowned scientists at the WHO) and replace him and Public Health England with Hancock’s mate, a Telecommunications boss (who also happens to be a Tory life peer and married to a Tory MP), Dido Harding to run the absolute disaster that was Test and Trace (enriching mates at colossal cost to the tax payer). I am sure others are implicated. It is what happens when you vote in a load of self-interested liars. Thanks Oggy. A familiar tale sadly. Shame they won’t be seeing the inside of a cell as it’s what they deserve when you look at what some get sent down for. Your probably correct, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely It's usually the cover-up and stupidity that catches people out in these situations, enter Matt Hancock. There are so many people royally pissed off with the Shenanigans that went on it might only take a good investigative Journalist or GLP to pick the right trail to follow I.e. the money This was how Michelle Mone was exposed, now there's an image hard to shake off, by going on a buying spree of Houses, Yachts, Horses etc If during the Enquiry something doesn't pass the sniff test, Public Opinion might rouse the NCA to get off their arses, we can live in hope.
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Post by gawa on Mar 6, 2023 10:47:09 GMT
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Post by gawa on Mar 6, 2023 10:47:47 GMT
No shame
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Post by 828492 on Mar 6, 2023 18:54:35 GMT
Johnson did not get permission from ACOBA when he went back to his £250k pa column writing at the Torygraph after resigning as the worst Foreign Secretary the country has ever known. The man has no shame.
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