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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 23, 2023 8:36:28 GMT
There is certainly an argument to suggest Starmer is, (at least claiming) to be further to the right than the current PM. Ignoring the fact they are both useless dopes, it's refreshing and somewhat bizarre (given who and what Starmer was championing in 2019) to see Labour place emphasis on "taking back control", dealing with immigration, defining a woman (something he'd struggled with for years) and focusing on driving private sector growth. He's even discussed reforming the sacred cow of the NHS. This must be infuriating stuff for the left? For the first time in years they are set to get their Labour government, but unfortunately they will be further to the right than this painfully soft, weak, moderate Conservative government. Where do the left go from here? There years of endless misery in election defeats looks set to continue, albeit with a so called "different party" taking over. Of course it's all pretty shit news for us "conservatives" as well. The nation seems destined towards heading for decades of hapless centrist politics. Any thoughts on the Home Secretary's plans to reduce the population of this country's Human Rights to the same standard that Russia and Belarus 'enjoy'? Yes Do you actually believe that if we pulled out of the echr We would be reduced to the standard of Russian rights In my mind the last court of appeal should be in this country This could be a golden chance to increase rights as much as diluting them
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2023 8:40:04 GMT
Any thoughts on the Home Secretary's plans to reduce the population of this country's Human Rights to the same standard that Russia and Belarus 'enjoy'? It won't happen. If it did happen it would be worthy of praise. I momentarily forgot I was communicating with a parody account lol
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2023 8:41:57 GMT
Any thoughts on the Home Secretary's plans to reduce the population of this country's Human Rights to the same standard that Russia and Belarus 'enjoy'? Yes Do you actually believe that if we pulled out of the echr We would be reduced to the standard of Russian rights In my mind the last court of appeal should be in this country This could be a golden chance to increase rights as much as diluting them I don't know, but I really wouldn't trust this lot if they told me the day of the week without checking so I certainly don't trust them to make things any better for the average Joe. They haven't in the last 13 years, why start now?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 23, 2023 8:44:23 GMT
It won't happen. If it did happen it would be worthy of praise. I momentarily forgot I was communicating with a parody account lol Spare a thought for those of us who involuntarily end up communicating with you! Before realising it's not worth bothering 😉
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 23, 2023 8:44:44 GMT
Yes Do you actually believe that if we pulled out of the echr We would be reduced to the standard of Russian rights In my mind the last court of appeal should be in this country This could be a golden chance to increase rights as much as diluting them I don't know, but I really wouldn't trust this lot if they told me the day of the week without checking so I certainly don't trust them to make things any better for the average Joe. They haven't in the last 13 years, why start now? But if we pulled out of the echr it could be the next labour government that could fashion A new bill of rights
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2023 8:48:02 GMT
I don't know, but I really wouldn't trust this lot if they told me the day of the week without checking so I certainly don't trust them to make things any better for the average Joe. They haven't in the last 13 years, why start now? But if we pulled out of the echr it could be the next labour government that could fashion A new bill of rights Unless Starmer changes tack I only see them being marginally better than this bunch of crooks so I'll stick with the rights I have, thanks. Measured happiness levels in many of the countries in it are far higher than ours from what I've seen.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2023 8:50:25 GMT
I momentarily forgot I was communicating with a parody account lol Spare a thought for those of us who involuntarily end up communicating with you! Before realising it's not worth bothering 😉 Ah, triangulation, obviously, should've seen that coming 🤦
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Post by gawa on Feb 23, 2023 11:42:10 GMT
There is certainly an argument to suggest Starmer is, (at least claiming) to be further to the right than the current PM. Ignoring the fact they are both useless dopes, it's refreshing and somewhat bizarre (given who and what Starmer was championing in 2019) to see Labour place emphasis on "taking back control", dealing with immigration, defining a woman (something he'd struggled with for years) and focusing on driving private sector growth. He's even discussed reforming the sacred cow of the NHS. This must be infuriating stuff for the left? For the first time in years they are set to get their Labour government, but unfortunately they will be further to the right than this painfully soft, weak, moderate Conservative government. Where do the left go from here? There years of endless misery in election defeats looks set to continue, albeit with a so called "different party" taking over. Of course it's all pretty shit news for us "conservatives" as well. The nation seems destined towards heading for decades of hapless centrist politics. What's the argument that starmer is further right than Sunak? - What's weird about "taking back control". When Labour were in power we didn't have record numbers of immigration or tens of thousands people arriving on small boats every year. The torys have created an immigration problem which gets worse every year and they don't tackle. - What is this "defining a woman" thing about? How did Corbyn or Milliband define women which was different from Starmer? You're getting your daily mail propoganda mixed up with left wing manifestos. - We weren't the worst performing economy in the G7 with debt at war time levels when Labour were last in power. Of course we need to improve private sector growth giving the hit its had since brexit. Again another self inflicted issue by tories like the immigration issue. Why's the above shit news for conservatives? You should be celebrating as you may have a potential PM who actually sorts the issues which are key for you rather than one what says what you want to hear but makes the problem worse every year. Its not my PM of choice but I'm surprised to hear its shit for you.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 23, 2023 12:04:58 GMT
I don't know, but I really wouldn't trust this lot if they told me the day of the week without checking so I certainly don't trust them to make things any better for the average Joe. They haven't in the last 13 years, why start now? But if we pulled out of the echr it could be the next labour government that could fashion A new bill of rights Talk (and that's all it is) of pulling out of the ECHR is complete bollocks and is being used only as a distraction in the absence of any clear idea of how to deal with "the problem " for at least 3 major reasons 1. The Tories are never going to pull out of an International Organisation that Winston Churchill was instrumental in establishing 2. The ECHR Charter was adopted into UK Law en bloc in 1998 as part of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement. The backlash from the US, no matter what administration was in power, would be severe 3. While I accept that on the ground little would change in the protection of rights, at least in the short term. The Optics of aligning with Russia and Belarus as the only European Country outside ECHR would derive much derision and scorn. It would also remove any semblance of soft power credibility UK thinks it may have to assist in International disputes
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Post by wannabee on Feb 23, 2023 12:10:21 GMT
Spare a thought for those of us who involuntarily end up communicating with you! Before realising it's not worth bothering 😉 Ah, triangulation, obviously, should've seen that coming 🤦 It's the 6 Degrees of Separation
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 23, 2023 12:21:29 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 23, 2023 12:31:22 GMT
I wish tesco, aldi and asda would get off this band wagon ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 12:39:40 GMT
I wish tesco, aldi and asda would get off this band wagon ffs. Tesco: 2.5 billion gross profit despite ludicrous amounts of food wastage. If these companies cared about food for school children, there wouldn’t be a hungry child in the country.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 23, 2023 13:41:14 GMT
She is utterly pathetic, there is only one person who should be embarrassed there and that's her. What hold is it that she has got over successive PM's? She is lazy, plain stupid and not remotely competent. How can she fail to realise, that ordinarily, the UK produces YEAR ROUND tomatoes, peppers and cucumber UNDER GLASS? But due to her government electing not to support farmers this winter with energy support, huge numbers of growers have simply stopped producing because economically, it no longer makes sense to do so. And previously to that, they were having to throw massive amounts of perfectly good fruit and veg away because they simply couldn't find anybody to pick the stuff.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 23, 2023 14:29:22 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 23, 2023 17:22:27 GMT
She’s definitely in Waitrose. That produce looks delicious!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 23, 2023 19:23:20 GMT
She’s definitely in Waitrose. That produce looks delicious! It's a good point, not only have they got plenty of fruit and veg, just look at the actual quality of the stuff they have got!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 23, 2023 19:25:21 GMT
She’s definitely in Waitrose. That produce looks delicious! It's a good point, not only have they got plenty of fruit and veg, just look at the actual quality of the stuff they have got! If the fruit and veg looked like that in the co op I’d think about becoming a vegetarian!🤣
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 23, 2023 22:01:37 GMT
There is certainly an argument to suggest Starmer is, (at least claiming) to be further to the right than the current PM. Ignoring the fact they are both useless dopes, it's refreshing and somewhat bizarre (given who and what Starmer was championing in 2019) to see Labour place emphasis on "taking back control", dealing with immigration, defining a woman (something he'd struggled with for years) and focusing on driving private sector growth. He's even discussed reforming the sacred cow of the NHS. This must be infuriating stuff for the left? For the first time in years they are set to get their Labour government, but unfortunately they will be further to the right than this painfully soft, weak, moderate Conservative government. Where do the left go from here? There years of endless misery in election defeats looks set to continue, albeit with a so called "different party" taking over. Of course it's all pretty shit news for us "conservatives" as well. The nation seems destined towards heading for decades of hapless centrist politics. Your lot of ultra free market libertarians had their go. It lasted 45 days or so and was a fucking disaster. Not sure you're really in a position to comment!
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Post by gawa on Feb 23, 2023 22:42:11 GMT
I can't speak for cucumbers or tomatoes. But the lettuce isn't available because its preparing for a tory leadership challenge.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 24, 2023 9:43:09 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Feb 24, 2023 12:39:09 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 24, 2023 12:49:15 GMT
Shocking!!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 24, 2023 12:50:11 GMT
Every single one of these grifters needs arresting, put in the dock and jailed.
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Post by milton58 on Feb 24, 2023 13:14:43 GMT
See that twat Johnson been Norton today hope some fucker gave him a slap
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 24, 2023 13:22:33 GMT
Boris genuinely applying to be the next head of NATO.
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Post by slash on Feb 24, 2023 14:43:33 GMT
astounding. just shows the depths that the Tories have plunged. and some want that great fat git back as our PM, and for the tories to continue running the nation. absolute disgrace.
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Post by gawa on Feb 24, 2023 16:50:41 GMT
Is Boris our first trans PM? Some set of locks on him when he's younger. Pleased that boys like bianca and knype had a pm they could relate to though. Maybe they had goldilocks too.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 24, 2023 16:56:11 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 24, 2023 17:08:14 GMT
I feel sorry for the oatcakes .Imagine being digested by the stomach acids of Boris Johnson. The shops should have told them to fuck off.
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