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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 21, 2022 13:26:07 GMT
That may well be true. Is there a limit to the number of times you can do that, though? I mean, Johnson is into double figures of various cheatings, misdemeanours, sackings, resignations, affairs etc...why anyone would think he'll suddenly become competent, trustworthy and reliable this time out of all the other times is beyond me  i thought the lefties liked criminals having the slate of criminals cleared because the criminals have served their punishment and their basic human rights should allow them to caryy on their lives without any tarnish.
Isn't that why a criminals past convictions aren't allowed to be mentioned in court ? just different rules applicable to Boris i suppose ?
I'm someone that agrees with you that people should have second and even third chances. What number is Boris up to now? This really is the main problem, he's not going to change. He's been booted out and if he's brought back in he will be worse than ever. What I mean by this is he will continue to think laws don't apply to him. Continue to serve no one but him self and continue to lie his way through life with everyone just a pawn in the world of Boris. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 21, 2022 13:32:56 GMT
That may well be true. Is there a limit to the number of times you can do that, though? I mean, Johnson is into double figures of various cheatings, misdemeanours, sackings, resignations, affairs etc...why anyone would think he'll suddenly become competent, trustworthy and reliable this time out of all the other times is beyond me i thought the lefties liked criminals having the slate of criminals cleared because the criminals have served their punishment and their basic human rights should allow them to caryy on their lives without any tarnish.
Isn't that why a criminals past convictions aren't allowed to be mentioned in court ? just different rules applicable to Boris i suppose ?
A criminal’s previous convictions are very relevant when it comes to sentencing and so are mentioned in court at that stage. But a previous conviction certainly is not evidence of someone committing a particular crime they are being tried for and so it is not relevant until sentencing. You need to educate yourself before making statements of fact which are not correct. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 21, 2022 13:34:51 GMT
The village idiot for Stoke has spoken.  The worrying thing is that this plonker will be back teaching kids in school in a few years time. What a strange concept…….an MP representing the views of their constituency . So which time was he representing their views? When he wanted rid of Boris or when he wanted him back? Or is it just another u turn by a narcissist looking to preserve themselves? |
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Post by milton58 on Oct 21, 2022 13:38:27 GMT
Rishi 8/11 now with bet365 mad boz was favourite earlier
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Post by Gawa on Oct 21, 2022 13:39:13 GMT
this had led to some debate in the office this week and maybe deserving a seperate thread but who out of the younger generation will ever want to stand for parliament or office in the future? thankless task that is near enough impossible still convinced that a jury service style selection of folk to sit as a council for say two years and to debate laws and pass them along with the civil service would be an excellent way forwards gets rid of our tired old system of adversarial politics and the "council" would act in the interests of the people and not themselves as seems to be the case at the top these days Lots of young people would. Young people are very politically aware, much more than historically. There's a reason why the tories blocked changing the voting age to 16, because they know they're hated by most young adults in the UK. I'd love to enter politics one day as someone who's grown up on a council estate. Unfortunately the motive for a lot of tories is personal gain rather than to help people. Too many people in politics for the wrong reasons. |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 21, 2022 13:40:30 GMT
What a strange concept…….an MP representing the views of their constituency . So which time was he representing their views? When he wanted rid of Boris or when he wanted him back? Or is it just another u turn by a narcissist looking to preserve themselves? It is a shambles and while we've had a pathetic apology from Truss there is no such self awareness from the MPs who sacked Johnson who're now backing him or any acknowledgement that they and their members have created this utter mess. The all red picture of the country is exactly what they deserve. I'm of the belief that the global forces are yet to kick in so don't mind the Tories holding onto power for longer. It will stop them referencing 2008 which would be lovely stuff. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 21, 2022 13:43:45 GMT
The convict not quite as popular with the the wider public than the octogenarian blue rinse bigoted members or his dribbling acolytes would have you believe.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2022 13:50:56 GMT
You've got to laugh, haven't you? ERG want senior cabinet positions to endorse Boris - and you know they'll get them if that's what it takes Steve Baker Home Secretary and Mark Francois Chancellor?!  I asked this question yesterday but didn't get an answer and surprisingly (well to at least me anyway) nobody in the media is asking it either ... How can we announce a new PM next Friday (who will obviously bring in their own cabinet) and then have a budget just three days later? If Johnson (or whoever it is) doesn't want Hunt running the Treasury, then how and where does the budget on the 31st suddenly materialise from? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 21, 2022 13:54:11 GMT
You've got to laugh, haven't you? ERG want senior cabinet positions to endorse Boris - and you know they'll get them if that's what it takes Steve Baker Home Secretary and Mark Francois Chancellor?! I asked this question yesterday but didn't get an answer and surprisingly (well to at least me anyway) nobody in the media is asking it either ... How can we announce a new PM next Friday (who will obviously bring in his own cabinet) and then have a budget just three days later? If Johnson (or whoever it is) doesn't want Hammond running the Treasury, then how and where does the budget on the 31st suddenly materialise from? If Sunak or Johnson are sensible, whichever wins should keep Hunt as chancellor (not Hammond!!!) |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2022 13:56:45 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2022 14:01:47 GMT
I asked this question yesterday but didn't get an answer and surprisingly (well to at least me anyway) nobody in the media is asking it either ... How can we announce a new PM next Friday (who will obviously bring in his own cabinet) and then have a budget just three days later? If Johnson (or whoever it is) doesn't want Hammond running the Treasury, then how and where does the budget on the 31st suddenly materialise from? If Sunak or Johnson are sensible, whichever wins should keep Hunt as chancellor (not Hammond!!!) Thanks for pointing out my slip Oggy (I've edited it now). My point was more about the mechanism of what is taking place here ... Hunt was parachuted in out of nowhere just 7 days ago and if the new PM really was going to be able to choose their own Chancellor, then surely we would have cancelled the budget by now because there would be no guarantee that it will be Hunt in that role. But we haven't cancelled it ... why? I guess I'm suggesting that Hunt will be the Chancellor in 10 days time REGARDLESS of who wins and if that's the case, who has made that decision already? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2022 14:03:41 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 21, 2022 14:05:34 GMT
And to think we're well on our way to another misstep, we need some stability and we're going to pick someone who's being investigated and could be sacked. Quite looking forward to see what utter drivel we'll be told if that all plays out. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 21, 2022 14:09:24 GMT
If Sunak or Johnson are sensible, whichever wins should keep Hunt as chancellor (not Hammond!!!) Thanks for pointing out my slip Oggy (I've edited it now). My point was more about the mechanism of what is taking place here ... Hunt was parachuted in out of nowhere just 7 days ago and if the new PM really was going to be able to choose their own Chancellor, then surely we would have cancelled the budget by now because there would be no guarantee that it will be Hunt in that role. But we haven't cancelled it ... why? I guess I'm suggesting that Hunt will be the Chancellor in 10 days time REGARDLESS of who wins and if that's the case, who has made that decision already? But who would cancel it? Hunt. And if he wants to keep his job it strengthens his case by not cancelling it perhaps. I think you give these people too much credit. They don’t forward plan or think to the future at all |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 21, 2022 14:11:17 GMT
What a strange concept…….an MP representing the views of their constituency . So which time was he representing their views? When he wanted rid of Boris or when he wanted him back? Or is it just another u turn by a narcissist looking to preserve themselves? Exactly, all any politician does is look out for themselves to preserve power and their own jobs. Anyone who thinks they're Samaritans who only look out for the good of their constituents is naive and deluded. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2022 14:21:27 GMT
Thanks for pointing out my slip Oggy (I've edited it now). My point was more about the mechanism of what is taking place here ... Hunt was parachuted in out of nowhere just 7 days ago and if the new PM really was going to be able to choose their own Chancellor, then surely we would have cancelled the budget by now because there would be no guarantee that it will be Hunt in that role. But we haven't cancelled it ... why? I guess I'm suggesting that Hunt will be the Chancellor in 10 days time REGARDLESS of who wins and if that's the case, who has made that decision already? But who would cancel it? Hunt. And if he wants to keep his job it strengthens his case by not cancelling it perhaps. I think you give these people too much credit. They don’t forward plan or think to the future at all So let's say Braverman wins next Friday (I know she won't but in order to make the point), there is absolutely no way she will want Hunt as her Chancellor. So what then happens to the Budget, scheduled for the very next working day? And furthermore, why hasn't Hunt thrown his hat into the ring to become leader? I'm suggesting that somebody, don't know who (and that goes to the very heart of my point), has guaranteed him the Chancellor's job, whoever wins. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 21, 2022 14:23:40 GMT
But who would cancel it? Hunt. And if he wants to keep his job it strengthens his case by not cancelling it perhaps. I think you give these people too much credit. They don’t forward plan or think to the future at all So let's say Braverman wins next Friday (I know she won't but in order to make the point), there is absolutely no way she will want Hunt as her Chancellor. So what then happens to the Budget, scheduled for the very next working day? And furthermore, why hasn't Hunt thrown his hat into the ring to become leader? I'm suggesting that somebody, don't know who (and that goes to the very heart of my point), has guaranteed him the Chancellor's job, whoever wins. You might well be right. |
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Post by dexter97 on Oct 21, 2022 14:32:59 GMT
That may well be true. Is there a limit to the number of times you can do that, though? I mean, Johnson is into double figures of various cheatings, misdemeanours, sackings, resignations, affairs etc...why anyone would think he'll suddenly become competent, trustworthy and reliable this time out of all the other times is beyond me i thought the lefties liked criminals having the slate of criminals cleared because the criminals have served their punishment and their basic human rights should allow them to caryy on their lives without any tarnish.
Isn't that why a criminals past convictions aren't allowed to be mentioned in court ? just different rules applicable to Boris i suppose ?
Leaving aside the fallacy that 'past convictions aren't allowed to be mentioned in court'... No matter how much you might believe in rehabilitation, you're always going to think twice about giving a convicted poisoner a job in your restaurant. It's impossible to expect past misdemeanours not to tarnish one's reputation, and those who succeed in losing the stigma have usually had to work very hard to prove they've changed. As far as Johnson is concerned, he very much believes that 'different rules are applicable to him'. As a former schoolmaster wrote, "Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies. [He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half). "I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else." |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 21, 2022 14:33:34 GMT
They cannot let Boris come back as some sort of bumbling hero. That cunt isn’t fit to govern anything.
However I can see Boris urging his supporters to support the nearest front runner to sunack
I don’t think he is fit to govern either
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Post by superjw on Oct 21, 2022 14:35:38 GMT
Does anyone really think that all this has happened organically and not pre planned?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2022 14:39:38 GMT
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 21, 2022 14:48:43 GMT
She must be reasonably confident of getting a hundred. Sunak gets well over a hundred. Getting tight for the lawbreaker potentially. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2022 14:49:22 GMT
I wonder if Johnson does indeed become a genuine threat over the weekend, if Mordaunt might withdraw and take her backers over to the Sunak camp before the deadline on Monday? By way of example, if Johnson had say 120 MP's backing him but the combination of a Sunak/Mordaunt ticket had a 237 backing, then surely Johnson would have to withdraw before it goes to the membership because he would know that two thirds of his MP's had no support for him. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 21, 2022 15:11:46 GMT
I wonder if Johnson does indeed become a genuine threat over the weekend, if Mordaunt might withdraw and take her backers over to the Sunak camp before the deadline on Monday? By way of example, if Johnson had say 120 MP's backing him but the combination of a Sunak/Mordaunt ticket had a 237 backing, then surely Johnson would have to withdraw before it goes to the membership because he would know that two thirds of his MP's had no support for him. Wouldn’t be totally surprised to find mordant is the only candidate She’s already been talk to hunt and apparently guaranteed him the chancellors job Neat tidy in the job Mon afternoon Sunak gets prime job keeps his powder dry until after the election |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 21, 2022 15:11:56 GMT
I wonder if Johnson does indeed become a genuine threat over the weekend, if Mordaunt might withdraw and take her backers over to the Sunak camp before the deadline on Monday? By way of example, if Johnson had say 120 MP's backing him but the combination of a Sunak/Mordaunt ticket had a 237 backing, then surely Johnson would have to withdraw before it goes to the membership because he would know that two thirds of his MP's had no support for him. It's a very interesting question Paul. It's hard to see Johnson ever being to be able to satisfy the constitutional requirement "to be able to command the confidence of the House of Commons” if the rumoured resignations come in. Will the Unionists fall for his blather again? |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 21, 2022 15:22:33 GMT
Paul, Hunt has already said he won't run for PM. For all of the reasons mentioned, Boris will not be PM again, of that I am certain  . |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Oct 21, 2022 15:24:32 GMT
But who would cancel it? Hunt. And if he wants to keep his job it strengthens his case by not cancelling it perhaps. I think you give these people too much credit. They don’t forward plan or think to the future at all So let's say Braverman wins next Friday (I know she won't but in order to make the point), there is absolutely no way she will want Hunt as her Chancellor. So what then happens to the Budget, scheduled for the very next working day? And furthermore, why hasn't Hunt thrown his hat into the ring to become leader? I'm suggesting that somebody, don't know who (and that goes to the very heart of my point), has guaranteed him the Chancellor's job, whoever wins. I am struggling to think of a single reason why Hunt would cancel (or defer) the 31st October budget NOW. Indeed if he did, there would be another bad market reaction. As good a reason as any for not cancelling or deferring it. As it stands there are only 3 realistic candidates, Sunak, Morduant and (please God no) Boris. Sunak or Morduant would surely keep Hunt as Chancellor, and he'll be fully prepared by 31st October despite all the current goings-on. Sunak will be 99% on board with what Hunt's going to say, Morduant maybe less so but she'll have no choice but to go along with most of it anyway. Boris is the wildcard of course, but Hunt has to carry on for now on the assumption that Boris is NOT going to get it. If Boris does get it then I can't see Hunt sticking around and we are all well and truly f***** anyway. Every single Labour politician I've heard speaking in the last few days has, when pressed, (reluctantly) agreed on the need for fiscal responsibilty. I just don't think Boris is capable of any sort of discipline on anything, never mind fiscal responsibilty. To answer your other questions: Hunt hasn't thrown his hat in to be leader because he knows he won't get it. He tried it last time and was nowhere near. I really can't see that anyone is in any sort of position to guarantee Hunt the Chancellor's job. Sunak and / or Morduant may have had a quiet word with him already, but beyond that no. It's kind of an irrelevant question anyway. Unless Boris gets in, the Chancellor's job is Hunt's anyway for the reasons I've stated above. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Oct 21, 2022 15:26:11 GMT
All these mp's supporting Johnson showing time and again they look after only their own interests so piss off with this country first bollocks.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 21, 2022 15:55:56 GMT
But who would cancel it? Hunt. And if he wants to keep his job it strengthens his case by not cancelling it perhaps. I think you give these people too much credit. They don’t forward plan or think to the future at all So let's say Braverman wins next Friday (I know she won't but in order to make the point), there is absolutely no way she will want Hunt as her Chancellor. So what then happens to the Budget, scheduled for the very next working day? And furthermore, why hasn't Hunt thrown his hat into the ring to become leader? I'm suggesting that somebody, don't know who (and that goes to the very heart of my point), has guaranteed him the Chancellor's job, whoever wins. Mordant has publicly confirmed she will keep Hunt as Chancellor |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2022 16:00:08 GMT
Paul, Hunt has already said he won't run for PM. For all of the reasons mentioned, Boris will not be PM again, of that I am certain . Because he's been guaranteed the Chancellor's job? |
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