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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 11:50:48 GMT
Just imagine if Labour don’t actually win the next general election. The whole party should be disbanded if that were to be the case. Conservative MPs decided that Truss’ economic policy was a great idea when they voted her in. They should all be questioned on their own inability as well. Despite that, I’d still be surprised if Labour managed a majority. Get yourself down the bookies then It will be a landslide, 100+ majority I don’t think I’ve ever made a bet to be honest. If they went into a GE now, it would of course be bad for the Tories. However, if they wait until 2025, all of this will just be met with “meh”, in my opinion. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 20, 2022 11:51:06 GMT
Both BBC and Sky news cameras fixed on number 10.
Its like the day the Queen died all over again. Just a question of when it's announced.
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Post by Gawa on Oct 20, 2022 11:53:02 GMT
Estonia has a similar employment rate to UK but half the GDP. So I don't really follow the whole "employment rate is high so country is booming" shit. If anything having such a high employment rate while more people than ever are in poverty is just another huge signal of the failures of this Tory government and brexit. Yous really fucked it up boomers. Those who lived through the war would be turning in their graves if they seen the destruction that their kids caused on this country and future generations, all for personal greed. The kids who have been indoctrinated throughout University education you mean? The majority of which are lefties? Nope just the boomer generation who have had the easiest of lives and upbringings and then systematically removed all the benefits they had for future generations. Hope they enjoyed their free university education, we didn't get that. Hope they enjoyed their swathes of social housing, we don't get that. Hope they enjoyed their cheap housing, we didn't get that. Hope they enjoyed being able to raise failed with a stay at home mum and also being raised by one. We can't even raise kids with 2 working parents. Hope they enjoyed getting same day appointments at the doctors. Lol we will never get that again. The most selfish of generations. And you can blame "lefties" if you wish but it's mostly the Torys who have ruined all of the above. Didn't realise none of them were university educated. |
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Post by 4372 on Oct 20, 2022 11:53:59 GMT
Estonia has a similar employment rate to UK but half the GDP. So I don't really follow the whole "employment rate is high so country is booming" shit. If anything having such a high employment rate while more people than ever are in poverty is just another huge signal of the failures of this Tory government and brexit. Yous really fucked it up boomers. Those who lived through the war would be turning in their graves if they seen the destruction that their kids caused on this country and future generations, all for personal greed. I am definitely a boomer. I agree wholeheartedly with what you write here. My grandfathers fought in WW1, I am convinced that they wanted to see a peaceful and prosperous Europe, working for progress through partnership. |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 20, 2022 11:54:56 GMT
This woman here does my fucking nut in. Does she have anything of use to say other than sucking Boris' cock over twitter every other day. Boris was a fuckin shit pm and ousted out by his own party. Bringing him back is just another huge u turn and more of the same. Tories Out. Boris is on holiday rather than serving his constituents, standard Boris practice. Look after himself and screw everyone else. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 20, 2022 11:57:02 GMT
The kids who have been indoctrinated throughout University education you mean? The majority of which are lefties? Nope just the boomer generation who have had the easiest of lives and upbringings and then systematically removed all the benefits they had for future generations. Hope they enjoyed their free university education, we didn't get that. Hope they enjoyed their swathes of social housing, we don't get that. Hope they enjoyed their cheap housing, we didn't get that. Hope they enjoyed being able to raise failed with a stay at home mum and also being raised by one. We can't even raise kids with 2 working parents. Hope they enjoyed getting same day appointments at the doctors. Lol we will never get that again. The most selfish of generations. And you can blame "lefties" if you wish but it's mostly the Torys who have ruined all of the above. Didn't realise none of them were university educated. What we get instead is an education which comes with a huge financial debt which most don't pay off. And they then pay an extra 10% of their wage on this never ending debt. Extra tax woop. Social housing is just a fantasy and nothing more. Instead we get greedy private landlords and pay another 30% of our income as a tax to them to buy their assets. Families? You're having a laugh. Can barely afford to keep a roof over our head and feed ourselves nevermind raising a child. Why not work more? We already work more hours together as couples than our parents and grandparents did. And then don't even get me started on the NHS shambles either. Oh and housing costs. Owning a house is a pipe dream. For many we've just became accustomed to 90% of our income going on bills, tax and rent. No chance of owning a home, no future to look forward to. Nout. Nada. Modern day slavery with the bonus of getting to choose which slave master to pay our bills and rent to. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 20, 2022 11:57:13 GMT
I don't think the example of France is showing what you'd like it to show. The people in the video are complaining about prices which are rising at 5.5% compared to our 10+% ALSO inflation has been decreasing for 2 months which is fairly impressive. Yes people are complaining even when their situation is significantly better than ours but it only highlights that our setup and decisions we have recently made are making it much, MUCH worse. Inflation stats taken from - www.rateinflation.com/inflation-rate/france-inflation-rate/Nor does highlighting UK job vacancies as a virtue neccesarily support the case. As it continues it stifles productivity and slows growth yet for the taliban in the ERG is a price we must pay for Brexit purity (see Braverman's "resignation" letter). Ideology first, wellbeing of the nation second. But that's Brexit. At the risk of turning this into a Brexit thread, yes job vacancies are high and higher than unemployed for the first time in history. But during most of my life people have complained of the human wastage, degradation, and sheer abhorrence of unemployment. Trade unions and all people with consciences campaigned against it. While we were in the EEC/EU 100,000s lost their jobs which were exported to Europe and the Far East. We now have "full employment" or as near as we ever could practically get to it, which I consider to be more important to the nation's wellbeing. We now have employers competing to fill jobs by improving pay. I know it isn't a real increase due to inflation, but inflation is all over Europe because of Putin and worse in the UK because of government inaction, not Brexit. Regarding productivity, the UK has always been poor at productivity because labour has been cheap. With unemployment, employers can get away with paying low wages. Why invest in automation? Only if you are in direct competition like car manufacturers. Today businesses across the country are seeking to automate like never before because they can't hold onto labour and it is getting expensive as there is no pool of cheap foreign workers. Regarding Braverman, I think there are different views on Brexit. I am in the Tony Benn, Denis Skinner, Peter Shaw school when it comes to not being in the EU. I could live with EEC membership, just about, but I do not want to be ruled by a government in Brussels. We can throw out Braverman & Co but the EU is stuck with the various EU governing bodies, which are committed to ever closer union. You say " that's Brexit" but the whole point of Brexit is we can make this country what we want it to be, not being bled to death by a massive trade deficit with the EU. Who would not want to be like New Zealand? Possibly the most liberal country in the world. Brexit means putting the nation first. Could you see US, Canada, or Australia handing over their government to Brussels or equivalent? The idea is preposterous. OK we have a crap government, but that is no reason to be governed from Brussels. It will take time to change fishing, agriculture, trade deals, etc and other legislation changes don't have to be negative ones, we get the government we elect. In the 70s and 80s I actively supported the Liberal Party but gave up politics because they were as duplicitous as the rest of them. I supported EEC membership in the 70s and used to argue with my dad who was a Benn supporter. But after decades managing industry, working for French, Dutch, Indians, you know the rest, I came round solidly to the view that the world has changed drastically since 1990 and the UK is best out of the EU. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 20, 2022 11:57:17 GMT
Get yourself down the bookies then It will be a landslide, 100+ majority I don’t think I’ve ever made a bet to be honest. If they went into a GE now, it would of course be bad for the Tories. However, if they wait until 2025, all of this will just be met with “meh”, in my opinion. Ah thought you meant GE now I don't agree as I think the Tories will be kicked out but obviously that could change in 2 years |
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Post by noustie on Oct 20, 2022 11:57:24 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 20, 2022 11:58:35 GMT
Both BBC and Sky news cameras fixed on number 10. Its like the day the Queen died all over again. Just a question of when it's announced. Aye its got that whiff of inevitability about it all hasnt it.... But who is credible enough to pick up the reigns and become the next PM.....? Its been discussed to the énth' degree on here but there isnt anyone is there...? Sunak would be mad to take this on at this point. This isnt the party I recognise |
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 20, 2022 12:01:03 GMT
Nope just the boomer generation who have had the easiest of lives and upbringings and then systematically removed all the benefits they had for future generations. Hope they enjoyed their free university education, we didn't get that. Hope they enjoyed their swathes of social housing, we don't get that. Hope they enjoyed their cheap housing, we didn't get that. Hope they enjoyed being able to raise failed with a stay at home mum and also being raised by one. We can't even raise kids with 2 working parents. Hope they enjoyed getting same day appointments at the doctors. Lol we will never get that again. The most selfish of generations. And you can blame "lefties" if you wish but it's mostly the Torys who have ruined all of the above. Didn't realise none of them were university educated. What we get instead is an education which comes with a huge financial debt which most don't pay off. And they then pay an extra 10% of their wage on this never ending debt. Extra tax woop. Social housing is just a fantasy and nothing more. Instead we get greedy private landlords and pay another 30% of our income as a tax to them to buy their assets. Families? You're having a laugh. Can barely afford to keep a roof over our head and feed ourselves nevermind raising a child. Why not work more? We already work more hours together as couples than our parents and grandparents did. And then don't even get me started on the NHS shambles either. Oh and housing costs. Owning a house is a pipe dream. For many we've just became accustomed to 90% of our income going on bills, tax and rent. No chance of owning a home, no future to look forward to. Nout. Nada. Modern day slavery with the bonus of getting to choose which slave master to pay our bills and rent to. 6 lines of emotional nonsense |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 20, 2022 12:02:09 GMT
Estonia has a similar employment rate to UK but half the GDP. So I don't really follow the whole "employment rate is high so country is booming" shit. If anything having such a high employment rate while more people than ever are in poverty is just another huge signal of the failures of this Tory government and brexit. Yous really fucked it up boomers. Those who lived through the war would be turning in their graves if they seen the destruction that their kids caused on this country and future generations, all for personal greed. The kids who have been indoctrinated throughout University education you mean? The majority of which are lefties? Of which I am one. Told by their parents that you must go to University to get an education only for that generation to complain about it later on. Strangely I was an active member of the Tory party during these years of indoctrination. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 20, 2022 12:05:59 GMT
I just gave you one on the Brexit thread. The lowest unemployment in this country since 1974. Employers are paying low paid more and more to keep them. www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-asda-aldi-wages-morrisons-7202764There has never been a better time for young people coming out of education to get a job. Imigration is at record level, including 300,000 work visas, but only to fill jobs that need filling because not enough UK residents want them. We've stopped uncontrolled immigration. Unfortunately we have not stopped illegal immigration and thousands of people risk their lives to get out of the EU and cross the Channel to live in the UK. Can you elaborate on the employment statistics. So for example does that include "zero hours contract" workers, where they may be employed but hypothetically may not be working at all? What about part time workers? And also a personal question towards you. Is employment rate always indictive of a success? Especially when record numbers of those employed are striking due to poor conditions and pay? Could it not be argued in the past that we had alot more single income families and mothers staying at home as people could live comfortably on one wage. A postman in the 70s could raise a family and get a mortgage on a single income with a stay at home mother. Now if both parents were postmen/women the same family couldn't even afford a mortgage and would struggle to heat their homes. So in my opinion "employment rate" doesn't really have any correlation to living standards. And secondly I'd love to know how many of those employed are on zero hours contracts as there's a huge difference between an employed person working 36 hours a week and people working 0-8 hours a week. Employers are paying low paid more? What do you mean by this? Well of course you will earn more as inflation increases but surely then you need to compare the wage to the cost of living. As earning £1000 per hour doesn't mean alot when a mars bar costs £10k. So a minimum wage in 2022 which is 10x that of the one in 1922 doesn't mean much if inflation has went up 100x in that period. And you and I both know wages haven't increased with inflation and someones take home pay is worth alot less now than it was in 1995. Which again then feeds into your earlier comment about "more people employed". Again I believe this is more due to people not being able to afford to have single income families anymore as well as record amounts of people working past retirement age for similar reasons. Hardly a "positive" sign. But torie's gonna tory and polish the turds. Fuck off has there never been a better time for young people to come out of education and get a job? And do what? Pay 10% of their wage to student loan. Pay 30% to a landlord. Pay 10% on gas/electric. Pay 10% on food. Pay 5% on pension. Pay 20% on tax.... And what maybe get to go out for a meal at the end of the month if they're lucky. We discussed immigration levels literally a week ago. Immigration is at record levels and I provided you the evidence of this. Was brexit not to try and reduce immigration? And also most of the immigratants aren't here on work visas. Most of them are here using up our university places and our public services and housing while not contributing to the economy. The countries up shit creek. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because the boomer generation have destroyed this country for many future generations. Out of your own post, how has half a century of EU membership improved the lit of yourc1970s postman? Let's do things differently. I think you are blaming a lot on Brexit that happened less than two years ago which is due the pandemic and war. Is Brexit the cause of student loans, inflation, energy prices, etc. Have a look at what is happening in Europe. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 12:07:48 GMT
Nor does highlighting UK job vacancies as a virtue neccesarily support the case. As it continues it stifles productivity and slows growth yet for the taliban in the ERG is a price we must pay for Brexit purity (see Braverman's "resignation" letter). Ideology first, wellbeing of the nation second. But that's Brexit. At the risk of turning this into a Brexit thread, yes job vacancies are high and higher than unemployed for the first time in history. But during most of my life people have complained of the human wastage, degradation, and sheer abhorrence of unemployment. Trade unions and all people with consciences campaigned against it. While we were in the EEC/EU 100,000s lost their jobs which were exported to Europe and the Far East. We now have "full employment" or as near as we ever could practically get to it, which I consider to be more important to the nation's wellbeing. We now have employers competing to fill jobs by improving pay. I know it isn't a real increase due to inflation, but inflation is all over Europe because of Putin and worse in the UK because of government inaction, not Brexit. Regarding productivity, the UK has always been poor at productivity because labour has been cheap. With unemployment, employers can get away with paying low wages. Why invest in automation? Only if you are in direct competition like car manufacturers. Today businesses across the country are seeking to automate like never before because they can't hold onto labour and it is getting expensive as there is no pool of cheap foreign workers. Regarding Braverman, I think there are different views on Brexit. I am in the Tony Benn, Denis Skinner, Peter Shaw school when it comes to not being in the EU. I could live with EEC membership, just about, but I do not want to be ruled by a government in Brussels. We can throw out Braverman & Co but the EU is stuck with the various EU governing bodies, which are committed to ever closer union. You say " that's Brexit" but the whole point of Brexit is we can make this country what we want it to be, not being bled to death by a massive trade deficit with the EU. Who would not want to be like New Zealand? Possibly the most liberal country in the world. Brexit means putting the nation first. Could you see US, Canada, or Australia handing over their government to Brussels or equivalent? The idea is preposterous. OK we have a crap government, but that is no reason to be governed from Brussels. It will take time to change fishing, agriculture, trade deals, etc and other legislation changes don't have to be negative ones, we get the government we elect. In the 70s and 80s I actively supported the Liberal Party but gave up politics because they were as duplicitous as the rest of them. I supported EEC membership in the 70s and used to argue with my dad who was a Benn supporter. But after decades managing industry, working for French, Dutch, Indians, you know the rest, I came round solidly to the view that the world has changed drastically since 1990 and the UK is best out of the EU. My sister paid 18 NZD for eggplants the other day. Doesn’t sound like the best country to use as an example. |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Oct 20, 2022 12:10:12 GMT
Utter bollocks isn't it. JOB did an hour segment on it on LBC. It should be all over the news. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 20, 2022 12:11:51 GMT
Nor does highlighting UK job vacancies as a virtue neccesarily support the case. As it continues it stifles productivity and slows growth yet for the taliban in the ERG is a price we must pay for Brexit purity (see Braverman's "resignation" letter). Ideology first, wellbeing of the nation second. But that's Brexit. At the risk of turning this into a Brexit thread, yes job vacancies are high and higher than unemployed for the first time in history. But during most of my life people have complained of the human wastage, degradation, and sheer abhorrence of unemployment. Trade unions and all people with consciences campaigned against it. While we were in the EEC/EU 100,000s lost their jobs which were exported to Europe and the Far East. We now have "full employment" or as near as we ever could practically get to it, which I consider to be more important to the nation's wellbeing. We now have employers competing to fill jobs by improving pay. I know it isn't a real increase due to inflation, but inflation is all over Europe because of Putin and worse in the UK because of government inaction, not Brexit. Regarding productivity, the UK has always been poor at productivity because labour has been cheap. With unemployment, employers can get away with paying low wages. Why invest in automation? Only if you are in direct competition like car manufacturers. Today businesses across the country are seeking to automate like never before because they can't hold onto labour and it is getting expensive as there is no pool of cheap foreign workers. Regarding Braverman, I think there are different views on Brexit. I am in the Tony Benn, Denis Skinner, Peter Shaw school when it comes to not being in the EU. I could live with EEC membership, just about, but I do not want to be ruled by a government in Brussels. We can throw out Braverman & Co but the EU is stuck with the various EU governing bodies, which are committed to ever closer union. You say " that's Brexit" but the whole point of Brexit is we can make this country what we want it to be, not being bled to death by a massive trade deficit with the EU. Who would not want to be like New Zealand? Possibly the most liberal country in the world. Brexit means putting the nation first. Could you see US, Canada, or Australia handing over their government to Brussels or equivalent? The idea is preposterous. OK we have a crap government, but that is no reason to be governed from Brussels. It will take time to change fishing, agriculture, trade deals, etc and other legislation changes don't have to be negative ones, we get the government we elect. In the 70s and 80s I actively supported the Liberal Party but gave up politics because they were as duplicitous as the rest of them. I supported EEC membership in the 70s and used to argue with my dad who was a Benn supporter. But after decades managing industry, working for French, Dutch, Indians, you know the rest, I came round solidly to the view that the world has changed drastically since 1990 and the UK is best out of the EU. No we're not. Unfortunately you don't own a monopoly on experience - so after decades of working for British, German and American companies I'm solidly of the view we were better off in. Is it perfect? - of course it isn't. Nothing is. However the advantages far outweighed the disadvantages and I've seen nothing since to change my mind. |
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Post by henry on Oct 20, 2022 12:13:16 GMT
This woman here does my fucking nut in. Does she have anything of use to say other than sucking Boris' cock over twitter every other day. Boris was a fuckin shit pm and ousted out by his own party. Bringing him back is just another huge u turn and more of the same. Tories Out. You don't have to follow her |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 20, 2022 12:13:29 GMT
At the risk of turning this into a Brexit thread, yes job vacancies are high and higher than unemployed for the first time in history. But during most of my life people have complained of the human wastage, degradation, and sheer abhorrence of unemployment. Trade unions and all people with consciences campaigned against it. While we were in the EEC/EU 100,000s lost their jobs which were exported to Europe and the Far East. We now have "full employment" or as near as we ever could practically get to it, which I consider to be more important to the nation's wellbeing. We now have employers competing to fill jobs by improving pay. I know it isn't a real increase due to inflation, but inflation is all over Europe because of Putin and worse in the UK because of government inaction, not Brexit. Regarding productivity, the UK has always been poor at productivity because labour has been cheap. With unemployment, employers can get away with paying low wages. Why invest in automation? Only if you are in direct competition like car manufacturers. Today businesses across the country are seeking to automate like never before because they can't hold onto labour and it is getting expensive as there is no pool of cheap foreign workers. Regarding Braverman, I think there are different views on Brexit. I am in the Tony Benn, Denis Skinner, Peter Shaw school when it comes to not being in the EU. I could live with EEC membership, just about, but I do not want to be ruled by a government in Brussels. We can throw out Braverman & Co but the EU is stuck with the various EU governing bodies, which are committed to ever closer union. You say " that's Brexit" but the whole point of Brexit is we can make this country what we want it to be, not being bled to death by a massive trade deficit with the EU. Who would not want to be like New Zealand? Possibly the most liberal country in the world. Brexit means putting the nation first. Could you see US, Canada, or Australia handing over their government to Brussels or equivalent? The idea is preposterous. OK we have a crap government, but that is no reason to be governed from Brussels. It will take time to change fishing, agriculture, trade deals, etc and other legislation changes don't have to be negative ones, we get the government we elect. In the 70s and 80s I actively supported the Liberal Party but gave up politics because they were as duplicitous as the rest of them. I supported EEC membership in the 70s and used to argue with my dad who was a Benn supporter. But after decades managing industry, working for French, Dutch, Indians, you know the rest, I came round solidly to the view that the world has changed drastically since 1990 and the UK is best out of the EU. My sister paid 18 NZD for eggplants the other day. Doesn’t sound like the best country to use as an example. |
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Post by Gawa on Oct 20, 2022 12:15:14 GMT
Can you elaborate on the employment statistics. So for example does that include "zero hours contract" workers, where they may be employed but hypothetically may not be working at all? What about part time workers? And also a personal question towards you. Is employment rate always indictive of a success? Especially when record numbers of those employed are striking due to poor conditions and pay? Could it not be argued in the past that we had alot more single income families and mothers staying at home as people could live comfortably on one wage. A postman in the 70s could raise a family and get a mortgage on a single income with a stay at home mother. Now if both parents were postmen/women the same family couldn't even afford a mortgage and would struggle to heat their homes. So in my opinion "employment rate" doesn't really have any correlation to living standards. And secondly I'd love to know how many of those employed are on zero hours contracts as there's a huge difference between an employed person working 36 hours a week and people working 0-8 hours a week. Employers are paying low paid more? What do you mean by this? Well of course you will earn more as inflation increases but surely then you need to compare the wage to the cost of living. As earning £1000 per hour doesn't mean alot when a mars bar costs £10k. So a minimum wage in 2022 which is 10x that of the one in 1922 doesn't mean much if inflation has went up 100x in that period. And you and I both know wages haven't increased with inflation and someones take home pay is worth alot less now than it was in 1995. Which again then feeds into your earlier comment about "more people employed". Again I believe this is more due to people not being able to afford to have single income families anymore as well as record amounts of people working past retirement age for similar reasons. Hardly a "positive" sign. But torie's gonna tory and polish the turds. Fuck off has there never been a better time for young people to come out of education and get a job? And do what? Pay 10% of their wage to student loan. Pay 30% to a landlord. Pay 10% on gas/electric. Pay 10% on food. Pay 5% on pension. Pay 20% on tax.... And what maybe get to go out for a meal at the end of the month if they're lucky. We discussed immigration levels literally a week ago. Immigration is at record levels and I provided you the evidence of this. Was brexit not to try and reduce immigration? And also most of the immigratants aren't here on work visas. Most of them are here using up our university places and our public services and housing while not contributing to the economy. The countries up shit creek. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because the boomer generation have destroyed this country for many future generations. Out of your own post, how has half a century of EU membership improved the lit of yourc1970s postman? Let's do things differently. I think you are blaming a lot on Brexit that happened less than two years ago which is due the pandemic and war. Is Brexit the cause of student loans, inflation, energy prices, etc. Have a look at what is happening in Europe. I don't blame brexit. I blame the Tory government first and foremost, and their reign of austerity. But I'm yet to see the benefits of brexit and don't agree with the benefits which you've listed as being benefits and also being as a result of brexit. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 20, 2022 12:16:35 GMT
Truss has PM is the best chance Labour have of winning a General Election.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 20, 2022 12:17:14 GMT
Statement at 1-30 and also
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 20, 2022 12:20:59 GMT
Statement at 1.30pm
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 20, 2022 12:22:02 GMT
Statement at 1-30 and also What a week to be taken off air. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 20, 2022 12:22:05 GMT
At the risk of turning this into a Brexit thread, yes job vacancies are high and higher than unemployed for the first time in history. But during most of my life people have complained of the human wastage, degradation, and sheer abhorrence of unemployment. Trade unions and all people with consciences campaigned against it. While we were in the EEC/EU 100,000s lost their jobs which were exported to Europe and the Far East. We now have "full employment" or as near as we ever could practically get to it, which I consider to be more important to the nation's wellbeing. We now have employers competing to fill jobs by improving pay. I know it isn't a real increase due to inflation, but inflation is all over Europe because of Putin and worse in the UK because of government inaction, not Brexit. Regarding productivity, the UK has always been poor at productivity because labour has been cheap. With unemployment, employers can get away with paying low wages. Why invest in automation? Only if you are in direct competition like car manufacturers. Today businesses across the country are seeking to automate like never before because they can't hold onto labour and it is getting expensive as there is no pool of cheap foreign workers. Regarding Braverman, I think there are different views on Brexit. I am in the Tony Benn, Denis Skinner, Peter Shaw school when it comes to not being in the EU. I could live with EEC membership, just about, but I do not want to be ruled by a government in Brussels. We can throw out Braverman & Co but the EU is stuck with the various EU governing bodies, which are committed to ever closer union. You say " that's Brexit" but the whole point of Brexit is we can make this country what we want it to be, not being bled to death by a massive trade deficit with the EU. Who would not want to be like New Zealand? Possibly the most liberal country in the world. Brexit means putting the nation first. Could you see US, Canada, or Australia handing over their government to Brussels or equivalent? The idea is preposterous. OK we have a crap government, but that is no reason to be governed from Brussels. It will take time to change fishing, agriculture, trade deals, etc and other legislation changes don't have to be negative ones, we get the government we elect. In the 70s and 80s I actively supported the Liberal Party but gave up politics because they were as duplicitous as the rest of them. I supported EEC membership in the 70s and used to argue with my dad who was a Benn supporter. But after decades managing industry, working for French, Dutch, Indians, you know the rest, I came round solidly to the view that the world has changed drastically since 1990 and the UK is best out of the EU. My sister paid 18 NZD for eggplants the other day. Doesn’t sound like the best country to use as an example. I never thought I'd be posting this on a political thread, but exactly how many eggplants did she buy? |
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Post by andystokey on Oct 20, 2022 12:24:37 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 20, 2022 12:26:20 GMT
Imminent victory for the lettuce
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 20, 2022 12:26:59 GMT
I'm going for resign and Hunt as caretaker PM Fingers crossed she goes rogue and calls a GE |
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Post by noustie on Oct 20, 2022 12:27:13 GMT
Count Binface odds shortened to 7/1
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 20, 2022 12:28:36 GMT
Another unelected cretin to be announced! Fuck these cunts.
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Post by andystokey on Oct 20, 2022 12:28:44 GMT
I'm going for resign and Hunt as caretaker PM Fingers crossed she goes rogue and calls a GE She only said yesterday she was a fighter and Monday she was leading them to a GE. Democracy is dead if we don't get a GE. |
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