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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2022 8:01:15 GMT
Just imagine if Labour don’t actually win the next general election. The whole party should be disbanded if that were to be the case. Conservative MPs decided that Truss’ economic policy was a great idea when they voted her in. They should all be questioned on their own inability as well. Despite that, I’d still be surprised if Labour managed a majority. Depends when the election is held. Now - utter landslide. In two years when a new leader has steadied the Tory ship, could be a different story. Which is why the tories will once more but their party before country and not call an election. In my view, deviations from a manifesto should require 66% of house of commons votes to pass. Else you get what we saw last night: a tory pm calling a 3 line whip to force mps to breach the manifesto upon which they were elected. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 20, 2022 8:04:37 GMT
What a thoroughly depressing state this country’s been in since the brexit vote, Im sick to bastard death of listening to shit news day after day and try to avoid listening where possible. Can’t be good for peoples mental health I’ve edited the above to make it more accurate. You really have to release your bitterness Before it totally consumes you Ever thought of seeking professional support I’m sure there are people out there who can help you accept a Democratic vote |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 20, 2022 8:09:35 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2022 8:20:04 GMT
I’ve edited the above to make it more accurate. You really have to release your bitterness Before it totally consumes you Ever thought of seeking professional support I’m sure there are people out there who can help you accept a Democratic vote It’s a fact that things have steadily gone downhill in our society which is far more divided, living standards and reduction of our rights and freedoms since the brexit vote. What is materially better in society since the vote? But you continue deflecting. It can be hard to admit when you are wrong about something. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 20, 2022 8:25:47 GMT
I know it's utter carnage; but seriously, we should be discussing the Wokerati and the anti-growth coalition. I'm finding it hilarious how the word 'woke' has gone from being an ever present in the posts of some to being AWOL in the space of a few short days. Wonder why? 😂 |
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Post by noustie on Oct 20, 2022 8:29:27 GMT
Even Comical Ali spotted a couple of tanks at his eye test this morning
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 20, 2022 8:30:40 GMT
Ha! You're a sick man, Dutch! Oi....Im eligable, a bachelor now AND I find power an aphrodisiac......  If she can supply a pot of peanut butter, I can supply the sink plunger .......BRING IT ON !  |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 20, 2022 8:34:07 GMT
I’ve edited the above to make it more accurate. You really have to release your bitterness Before it totally consumes you Ever thought of seeking professional support I’m sure there are people out there who can help you accept a Democratic vote I think Brexit did change a lot though. That empowered a few idiots because they did lie about things and got away with it and that behaviour moved into front line politics, on a daily basis, front and centre in the public eye but they didn’t care (prime example being Cummings garden party speech basically telling the country you’re a bunch of thickos because I played by the real rules). People would’ve voted whichever way they felt like, but some of the stuff that came out during that campaign & subsequently proved to be wrong has caused us all problems now. Liz Truss is a prime example, voted and campaigned for remain. Now completely disavowed from that stance but claims she’s for democracy because she is pro-Brexit - she’s the prime minister because 0.1% of the population voted for, not the strongest claim for Democracy but by referencing brexit she can get away with it. For me, I voted remain - but we’ve left now so we’ve got to crack on with making a good job of it. It won’t happen with this clown in charge or if we can carry on letting the people who put her there have a say. We need massive change, not only to sort the country out but to sort out our standing on the world stage and actually maximise on some of those things we were promised because of Brexit. |
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 20, 2022 8:37:04 GMT
I know it's utter carnage; but seriously, we should be discussing the Wokerati and the anti-growth coalition. I'm finding it hilarious how the word 'woke' has gone from being an ever present in the posts of some to being AWOL in the space of a few short days. Wonder why? 😂 Apparently, "Wokerati" is some sort of martial art! |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 20, 2022 8:38:27 GMT
You really have to release your bitterness Before it totally consumes you Ever thought of seeking professional support I’m sure there are people out there who can help you accept a Democratic vote It’s a fact that things have steadily gone downhill in our society which is far more divided, living standards and reduction of our rights and freedoms since the brexit vote. What is materially better in society since the vote? But you continue deflecting. It can be hard to admit when you are wrong about something. Really let it go Accept the will of the British people to be free of the European yoke Me I’m disappointed with the implementation of brexit We should of left the eu on June the 24th with no deal But even I can accept that I can’t have everything I voted for I haven’t a single regret for voting leave and as for considering it wrong not a chance |
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Post by sticky on Oct 20, 2022 8:40:11 GMT
What a thoroughly depressing state this country’s been in since the brexit vote, Im sick to bastard death of listening to shit news day after day and try to avoid listening where possible. Can’t be good for peoples mental health I’ve edited the above to make it more accurate. Remainers blame brexiters..Brexiters blame remainers, quite frankly it’s tiresome listening to all the squabbling. For what it’s worth, I do think it was utter madness to ask people (mostly who don’t know or care) to vote on something that people know little about (on both sides). I was referring to the constant drip feed of negative shite that’s impossible to avoid. Whoever’s running the country should be fucking running it and if they can’t step aside and let someone else have a go |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 20, 2022 8:41:59 GMT
I'm finding it hilarious how the word 'woke' has gone from being an ever present in the posts of some to being AWOL in the space of a few short days. Wonder why? 😂 Apparently, "Wokerati" is some sort of martial art! Does it involve blowing the froth off soy lattes at each other |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 20, 2022 8:43:50 GMT
I'm obviously missing something blindingly obvious but I'm not sure what it is?
The Tories have a majority of 71 and last night there were 40 Tory abstentions, leaving a 31 majority.
However in the vote last night, they won by a margin of 96.
So this surely means that 64 MP's from other parties either abstained or voted with the Government.
What am I missing?
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 20, 2022 8:48:45 GMT
I'm obviously missing something blindingly obvious but I'm not sure what it is? The Tories have a majority of 71 and last night there were 40 Tory abstentions, leaving a 31 majority. However in the vote last night, they won by a margin of 96. So this surely means that 64 MP's from other parties either abstained or voted with the Government. What am I missing?
I would imagine that most of the snp abstained as it was for a vote on English matters Sinn fein don’t take there seats and I would imagine a few other opposition MPs weren’t there |
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Post by westlandstokie on Oct 20, 2022 8:51:13 GMT
What a thoroughly depressing state this country’s been in since covid, Im sick to bastard death of listening to shit news day after day and try to avoid listening where possible. Can’t be good for peoples mental health I agree mate…it’s been nothing but bad news for over 2 years. Mental health issues going forward will be a huge problem in the UK. I class myself as a reasonable and level headed person but even I am starting to feel a bit stressed now…goodness knows how people with existing mental health issues are coping. My prediction is the UK is about to see lots of desperate people doing lots of desperate things just to keep their homes and feed the family…hope I’m wrong but it’s going to get ugly very soon. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 20, 2022 9:19:53 GMT
I'm obviously missing something blindingly obvious but I'm not sure what it is? The Tories have a majority of 71 and last night there were 40 Tory abstentions, leaving a 31 majority. However in the vote last night, they won by a margin of 96. So this surely means that 64 MP's from other parties either abstained or voted with the Government. What am I missing?
I would imagine that most of the snp abstained as it was for a vote on English matters Sinn fein don’t take there seats and I would imagine a few other opposition MPs weren’t there
I did wonder about the SNP but I kind of thought they would have taken the opportunity to have a free bash at the Tories.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 20, 2022 9:27:54 GMT
I would imagine that most of the snp abstained as it was for a vote on English matters Sinn fein don’t take there seats and I would imagine a few other opposition MPs weren’t there I did wonder about the SNP but I kind of thought they would have taken the opportunity to have a free bash at the Tories.
I would imagine interfering in purely English matters Leaves them open to calls of hypocrisy if they complain about the uk government interfering on Scottish matters |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2022 9:33:53 GMT
It’s a fact that things have steadily gone downhill in our society which is far more divided, living standards and reduction of our rights and freedoms since the brexit vote. What is materially better in society since the vote? But you continue deflecting. It can be hard to admit when you are wrong about something. Really let it go Accept the will of the British people to be free of the European yoke Me I’m disappointed with the implementation of brexit We should of left the eu on June the 24th with no deal But even I can accept that I can’t have everything I voted for I haven’t a single regret for voting leave and as for considering it wrong not a chance Let what go? I am glad you are not in charge of our country. You’d make Truss look better than Winston Churchill as a leader. You voted for exactly what has happened with brexit. That’s the problem when you vote blind, as all leave voters did. You were told you were voting for other things (all lies). Remember what Farage said, “nobody is talking about leaving the single market”. Finally, answer the question. Name some things that have materially improved since the brexit vote in our society? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2022 9:36:50 GMT
I’ve edited the above to make it more accurate. Remainers blame brexiters..Brexiters blame remainers, quite frankly it’s tiresome listening to all the squabbling. For what it’s worth, I do think it was utter madness to ask people (mostly who don’t know or care) to vote on something that people know little about (on both sides). I was referring to the constant drip feed of negative shite that’s impossible to avoid. Whoever’s running the country should be fucking running it and if they can’t step aside and let someone else have a go I agree. But when did it change to chaos and leaders clinging to power over the good of the country? Oh yes, when David Cameron resigned after being on the losing side of the brexit referendum. It’s been utter chaos since. |
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Post by flea79 on Oct 20, 2022 9:38:16 GMT
Really let it go Accept the will of the British people to be free of the European yoke Me I’m disappointed with the implementation of brexit We should of left the eu on June the 24th with no deal But even I can accept that I can’t have everything I voted for I haven’t a single regret for voting leave and as for considering it wrong not a chance Let what go? I am glad you are not in charge of our country. You’d make Truss look better than Winston Churchill as a leader. You voted for exactly what has happened with brexit. That’s the problem when you vote blind, as all leave voters did. You were told you were voting for other things (all lies). Remember what Farage said, “nobody is talking about leaving the single market”. what a pompous way of putting, all leave voters voted blind, I disagree, some maybe did but not all but give it up its gone, best we can do now is work with what we have! |
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Post by 828492 on Oct 20, 2022 9:41:15 GMT
What has MissTrust achieved today? She has managed to get her shoes on the correct feet. And like her appointment of the Chancellor and the Home Secretary, she only needed two tries at it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2022 9:42:27 GMT
Let what go? I am glad you are not in charge of our country. You’d make Truss look better than Winston Churchill as a leader. You voted for exactly what has happened with brexit. That’s the problem when you vote blind, as all leave voters did. You were told you were voting for other things (all lies). Remember what Farage said, “nobody is talking about leaving the single market”. what a pompous way of putting, all leave voters voted blind, I disagree, some maybe did but not all but give it up its gone, best we can do now is work with what we have! Sorry, which leave voter voted for what we have now? They are prophetic (and insane to cote for it!). Leave voters all voted against something- being a member of the EU. But because the leave campaign could never say what comes next (other than lies), it was a blind vote. Nobody knew what the leave vote actually meant, hence years of arguing about it. It was a vote for a blank sheet. And surprise surprise it has been chaos since. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 20, 2022 9:50:26 GMT
What a thoroughly depressing state this country’s been in since covid, Im sick to bastard death of listening to shit news day after day and try to avoid listening where possible. Can’t be good for peoples mental health I agree mate…it’s been nothing but bad news for over 2 years. Mental health issues going forward will be a huge problem in the UK. I class myself as a reasonable and level headed person but even I am starting to feel a bit stressed now…goodness knows how people with existing mental health issues are coping. My prediction is the UK is about to see lots of desperate people doing lots of desperate things just to keep their homes and feed the family…hope I’m wrong but it’s going to get ugly very soon. A few dutch mates asked me about this last night in the pub late on...... "Why arent you on the streets protesting?"...was the main question. "We would start rioting"....was the response to what I explained to them whats going over in the UK right now. My prediction? ..... well personally I think civil unrest is just around the corner - the last thing the country needs right now but this isnt going to end well. Hope Im wrong..... |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 20, 2022 9:59:48 GMT
I'm obviously missing something blindingly obvious but I'm not sure what it is? The Tories have a majority of 71 and last night there were 40 Tory abstentions, leaving a 31 majority. However in the vote last night, they won by a margin of 96. So this surely means that 64 MP's from other parties either abstained or voted with the Government. What am I missing?
Think SNP Nirthern island parties did not vote as they have autonomy on this and it was only effecting England When it was confidence vote they could have but would be seen as Scots meddling in English matters |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 20, 2022 10:00:22 GMT
Really let it go Accept the will of the British people to be free of the European yoke Me I’m disappointed with the implementation of brexit We should of left the eu on June the 24th with no deal But even I can accept that I can’t have everything I voted for I haven’t a single regret for voting leave and as for considering it wrong not a chance Let what go? I am glad you are not in charge of our country. You’d make Truss look better than Winston Churchill as a leader. You voted for exactly what has happened with brexit. That’s the problem when you vote blind, as all leave voters did. You were told you were voting for other things (all lies). Remember what Farage said, “nobody is talking about leaving the single market”. Finally, answer the question. Name some things that have materially improved since the brexit vote in our society? You carry on Oggy. When the only arguement they've got left is 'Shut Up' you can be sure you're on solid ground🙂 |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 20, 2022 10:06:41 GMT
Really let it go Accept the will of the British people to be free of the European yoke Me I’m disappointed with the implementation of brexit We should of left the eu on June the 24th with no deal But even I can accept that I can’t have everything I voted for I haven’t a single regret for voting leave and as for considering it wrong not a chance Let what go? I am glad you are not in charge of our country. You’d make Truss look better than Winston Churchill as a leader. You voted for exactly what has happened with brexit. That’s the problem when you vote blind, as all leave voters did. You were told you were voting for other things (all lies). Remember what Farage said, “nobody is talking about leaving the single market”. Finally, answer the question. Name some things that have materially improved since the brexit vote in our society? I like many leave voters Voted to leave the eu not with some stitched up deal taking years But to leave with a complete clean break as close to the vote as possible I don’t know one leave voter and round my neck of the woods there not hard to find who expected things to be instantly better we all knew it would be harder at the start What we didn’t expect is that millions of remain voters would refuse to accept a democratic vote then do everything in there Power to subvert democracy And cause a three / four year delay Maybe if a full brexit was implemented on the 24th of June after the vote we may be now be starting to reap the benefits of freedom Even the opposition well the fence sitting charlatan leader has finally realised the errors of his ways and has now accepted brexit It’s time to move on except freedom and move forward to the sunlit uplands Of course you within your rights to wallow in self pity with the unscrupulous Lib Dems and stamp your feet throw toys out of the pram and refuse to accept democracy |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 20, 2022 10:06:55 GMT
What a thoroughly depressing state this country’s been in since covid, Im sick to bastard death of listening to shit news day after day and try to avoid listening where possible. Can’t be good for peoples mental health I agree mate…it’s been nothing but bad news for over 2 years. Mental health issues going forward will be a huge problem in the UK. I class myself as a reasonable and level headed person but even I am starting to feel a bit stressed now…goodness knows how people with existing mental health issues are coping. My prediction is the UK is about to see lots of desperate people doing lots of desperate things just to keep their homes and feed the family…hope I’m wrong but it’s going to get ugly very soon. I agree with both the above posts. One of the issues is in the communication age is we have become overloaded with information and communications. Consequently a lot of people "shut off" and live in a bubble. The media do not help. They just beat the drum on whatever issue they want to push. Or they just concentrate on one issue. Yesterday the BBC went on and on about inflation, particularly food, but no mention of the relevance of the war in Ukraine that is not just pushing up energy prices which affects the cost of everything but leading to increased food shortage around the world. We are paying for that war in inflation, but the Ukrainians are paying in blood, facing the prospect of a Ukrainian winter with no power stations working. We are now learning what our forefathers went through during world wars. We get more and more obsessed by ourselves, but pay little heed to what is happening "next door". France has half the inflation of the UK, lower than almost every country in Europe, but very low wage increases for years. Yesterday's French news: |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 20, 2022 10:13:42 GMT
I agree mate…it’s been nothing but bad news for over 2 years. Mental health issues going forward will be a huge problem in the UK. I class myself as a reasonable and level headed person but even I am starting to feel a bit stressed now…goodness knows how people with existing mental health issues are coping. My prediction is the UK is about to see lots of desperate people doing lots of desperate things just to keep their homes and feed the family…hope I’m wrong but it’s going to get ugly very soon. I agree with both the above posts. One of the issues is in the communication age is we have become overloaded with information and communications. Consequently a lot of people "shut off" and live in a bubble. The media do not help. They just beat the drum on whatever issue they want to push. Or they just concentrate on one issue. Yesterday the BBC went on and on about inflation, particularly food, but no mention of the relevance of the war in Ukraine that is not just pushing up energy prices which affects the cost of everything but leading to increased food shortage around the world. We are paying for that war in inflation, but the Ukrainians are paying in blood, facing the prospect of a Ukrainian winter with no power stations working. We are now learning what our forefathers went through during world wars. We get more and more obsessed by ourselves, but pay little heed to what is happening "next door". France has half the inflation of the UK, lower than almost every country in Europe, but very low wage increases for years. Yesterday's French news: Shhhhh your not supposed to be posting this there in the eu every thing is supposed to be rosey and ok |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 20, 2022 10:15:51 GMT
Really let it go Accept the will of the British people to be free of the European yoke Me I’m disappointed with the implementation of brexit We should of left the eu on June the 24th with no deal But even I can accept that I can’t have everything I voted for I haven’t a single regret for voting leave and as for considering it wrong not a chance Let what go? I am glad you are not in charge of our country. You’d make Truss look better than Winston Churchill as a leader. You voted for exactly what has happened with brexit. That’s the problem when you vote blind, as all leave voters did. You were told you were voting for other things (all lies). Remember what Farage said, “nobody is talking about leaving the single market”. Finally, answer the question. Name some things that have materially improved since the brexit vote in our society? I just gave you one on the Brexit thread. The lowest unemployment in this country since 1974. Employers are paying low paid more and more to keep them. www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-asda-aldi-wages-morrisons-7202764There has never been a better time for young people coming out of education to get a job. Imigration is at record level, including 300,000 work visas, but only to fill jobs that need filling because not enough UK residents want them. We've stopped uncontrolled immigration. Unfortunately we have not stopped illegal immigration and thousands of people risk their lives to get out of the EU and cross the Channel to live in the UK. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 20, 2022 10:16:29 GMT
Let what go? I am glad you are not in charge of our country. You’d make Truss look better than Winston Churchill as a leader. You voted for exactly what has happened with brexit. That’s the problem when you vote blind, as all leave voters did. You were told you were voting for other things (all lies). Remember what Farage said, “nobody is talking about leaving the single market”. Finally, answer the question. Name some things that have materially improved since the brexit vote in our society? I like many leave voters Voted to leave the eu not with some stitched up deal taking years But to leave with a complete clean break as close to the vote as possible I don’t know one leave voter and round my neck of the woods there not hard to find who expected things to be instantly better we all knew it would be harder at the start What we didn’t expect is that millions of remain voters would refuse to accept a democratic vote then do everything in there Power to subvert democracy And cause a three / four year delay Maybe if a full brexit was implemented on the 24th of June after the vote we may be now be starting to reap the benefits of freedom Even the opposition well the fence sitting charlatan leader has finally realised the errors of his ways and has now accepted brexit It’s time to move on except freedom and move forward to the sunlit uplands Of course you within your rights to wallow in self pity with the unscrupulous Lib Dems and stamp your feet throw toys out of the pram and refuse to accept democracy So to summarise - nothing has improved and that's all someone else's fault. |
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