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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2022 17:51:02 GMT
Lowest forecasted growth in G7. Remind me why that’s a good thing? You're looking at it wrong, Oggy! You need to ignore the fact that stronger growth in 2022 was principally due to bounce back from having taken the biggest hit out of the entire G7 due to the pandemic. Nothing to do with how the pandemic was handled of course, just bad luck, one of those things, such is life. And so our GDP bounced back more than those countries which didn't suffer such economic damage. But forget that, look at it in context-free isolation instead, as Bozo did regularly in the HoC and partick and Coke seem to want to do now. Having the lowest forecast growth of the G7 now that the pandemic is having less impact on countries' economies is probably a truer reflection of the relative performances of those economies. Only forecasts so far but it doesn't look good, especially when you take that context into account. Precisely this.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 4, 2022 18:12:33 GMT
Good post partick, I think you should post it again on the Brexit thread in answer to oggy's inane comment that the UK is not performing as well as the G7. It should also be noted that the US is now technically in recession having just completed two quarters of negative GDP growth. Furthermore, we are now suffering badly from energy costs inflating as is Germany, whilst Canada is making hay as a major energy exporter that is boosting their economy. They are doing well out of the war as are the Arabs. China has also had negative growth recently. It is a great shame that the UK's economy is now being adversely impacted by high energy costs, and the poor economic performance of some of our best customers such as US and Germany. The government needs to press on with more trade deals with India, Mexico, Arabs and Pacific rim countries, and an improved deal with Canada. It strikes me we got out of the EU just in time. France is doing quite well looking at all the usual parameters like GDP and inflation, but they are building up a massive debt like Italy and Greece and could find themselves in deep water in years to come. Lowest forecasted growth in G7. Remind me why that’s a good thing? We've had 6 years of under forecasting UK performance, and predictions of economic disater; you should look at actual performance. Just as a reminder here is a forcast that was wrong about the depth of decline of GDP during the pandemic and the speed of recovery from the pandemic. www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/26/imf-downgrades-forecast-for-uk-economic-recoveryDespite being the worst affected by the pandemic, we recovered GDP to prepandemic level a month after France who were less impacted by the pandemic. Germany, Italy, and Japan GDPs have all still not got back to the GDP level they were before the pandemic. We have a great country that consistently outperforms forcasts, despite our poor government. Why is it some people keep talking down our great country? The country is driven by our businesses, health and social services, security and defence services, education services, etc. that is "the people" , not a bunch of useless politicians, most of whom are politicians because they could not do a proper job. Stop knocking the UK.
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Post by foster on Aug 4, 2022 18:22:56 GMT
Lowest forecasted growth in G7. Remind me why that’s a good thing? We've had 6 years of under forecasting UK performance, and predictions of economic disater; you should look at actual performance. Just as a reminder here is a forcast that was wrong about the depth of decline of GDP during the pandemic and the speed of recovery from the pandemic. www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/26/imf-downgrades-forecast-for-uk-economic-recoveryDespite being the worst affected by the pandemic, we recovered GDP to prepandemic level a month after France who were less impacted by the pandemic. Germany, Italy, and Japan GDPs have all still not got back to the GDP level they were before the pandemic. We have a great country that consistently outperforms forcasts, despite our poor government. Why is it some people keep talking down our great country? The country is driven by our businesses, health and social services, security and defence services, education services, etc. that is "the people" , not a bunch of useless politicians, most of whom are politicians because they could not do a proper job. Stop knocking the UK. No ones knocking the country. They're knocking the government and the effects of Brexit. The UK is a great country (or set of countries), no one has disputed that. But it could and should be better managed. Edit: The topic of this thread gives the tone of the views you can expect. It may be an idea to start a feel good thread titled 'Great things about the UK' and hope that people stay on topic.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 4, 2022 18:55:47 GMT
Boris on holiday, only weeks before he gets booted out anyway, the rest of the govt doing nothing, and we're spiralling down into the gutter.
I hope everyone who voted for Boris is happy. He's done such a sterling job.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 4, 2022 19:28:15 GMT
Foster posts a provocative post that poses the question are National Economic Statistics relevant to what is happening in the real world to us ordinary Plebs People then begin to post league tables showing UK (not real stats) .1% better than Italy but .2% behind Canada as if that mattered Its like looking at League Table with Stoke above Huddersfield but below Millwall but no chance of reaching Playoffs The UK is 5th Largest economy in the World and has about 14.5M living in Poverty or more than 20% of Population Should we be proud of the first and be ashamed or ignore the later? There are about 2.2M people using Food Banks a rise from 26K after Financial Crash in 2008 when records began 3.9M Children 27% are living in Poverty in UK. This rises to almost 50% for Single Parent or BME Families We all know a poor early start generally leads to long term poor outcomes A record 6.6M are currently on NHS waiting list (I'm aware we had a Pandemic) Energy Price rises are projected to increase by more than 300% from £1277 pre war to £3850 January 2023 Without major Government Intervention its only a question of how many more millions enter Poverty, but people are not statistics The above statistics are the important ones for any civilised State Comparisons to other Countries are only relevant if we can use them to learn to do better Austerity was a Political Choice The £400Bn added to National Debt from Covid hasn't caused the Sky to fall in. Meanwhile our erstwhile PM is MIA while the contenders to replace him are concerning themselves with such weighty subjects as to whether Woman have a Willy, who is more Woke or if we should bring back Foxhunting Some more Stats in you want them to back up I'm not talking shite (Patrick will disagree) www.statista.com/topics/3809/poverty-in-the-uk/#topicHeader__wrappercpag.org.uk/child-poverty/child-poverty-facts-and-figureswww.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/nhs-delivery-and-workforce/pressures/nhs-backlog-data-analysis
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 4, 2022 19:35:54 GMT
the tory pricks just about tolerate each other, you can easily imagine what they think of us proles.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 4, 2022 20:35:33 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 4, 2022 21:12:44 GMT
Anyone think we may be in line for an election before the end of the year?
The new Tory leader might fancy going to the country sooner rather than later on the basis that things are only going to get worse; much, much worse.
In other words, learn from the error of Gordon Brown in 2007.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 4, 2022 21:32:42 GMT
Anyone think we may be in line for an election before the end of the year? The new Tory leader might fancy going to the country sooner rather than later on the basis that things are only going to get worse; much, much worse. In other words, learn from the error of Gordon Brown in 2007. Was listening to some bloke from Conservative Home. His strategic view was that every party needs to spend sometime in opposition (a) because people get fed up of you and (b) gives you time to regroup. The Tories - he said - should prepare for that at the next scheduled GE (2024) - because - as you say - anyone coming in will have a hard time of it - giving the Tories the best chance of getting back in at the first time of asking. That therefore almost guarantees Daft Liz will go early to seek a fresh mandate. Be hilarious if she then went one better than May and lost outright and so became the shortest serving PM of the modern era.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 5, 2022 7:41:25 GMT
Would she lose?
Those who'd turned their back on the Tories because of Boris are probably happy now to do the same that they always do: new leader, back to the Tories I go.
She chucks out some red meat, dog whistle stuff, then sits back while the Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph repeatedly say how good she is and how dangerous Starmer would be...probably enough for a small majority, given that 30% of the electorate will always vote Tory no matter how bad they are in government.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 5, 2022 8:19:34 GMT
Anyone think we may be in line for an election before the end of the year? The new Tory leader might fancy going to the country sooner rather than later on the basis that things are only going to get worse; much, much worse. In other words, learn from the error of Gordon Brown in 2007. Tactically it may not be bad thing for the Conservatives. New Prime Ministers get a honeymoon period where people are prepared to give them a chance. Truss looks as though she has the potential as gaff-prone as Johnson, so getting an election before the public truly realise she's a fuckwit may be their best option.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2022 8:29:05 GMT
Lowest forecasted growth in G7. Remind me why that’s a good thing? We've had 6 years of under forecasting UK performance, and predictions of economic disater; you should look at actual performance. Just as a reminder here is a forcast that was wrong about the depth of decline of GDP during the pandemic and the speed of recovery from the pandemic. www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/26/imf-downgrades-forecast-for-uk-economic-recoveryDespite being the worst affected by the pandemic, we recovered GDP to prepandemic level a month after France who were less impacted by the pandemic. Germany, Italy, and Japan GDPs have all still not got back to the GDP level they were before the pandemic. We have a great country that consistently outperforms forcasts, despite our poor government. Why is it some people keep talking down our great country? The country is driven by our businesses, health and social services, security and defence services, education services, etc. that is "the people" , not a bunch of useless politicians, most of whom are politicians because they could not do a proper job. Stop knocking the UK. I guess you believe the BoE is knocking the UK too after yesterday’s announcements. I guess you will use the oil producer profits as evidence that brexit isn’t impacting business because they have record profits. If multi millionaire shareholders are getting richer, why should us little people moan? We must be knocking Britain if we are. That’s Tory policy through and through. Millionaires get richer, but look, 100 people fleeing war came to the UK on a tiny boat (one of their kids died on the crossing), let’s send them to Rwanda and ignore the continued movement of money away from workers to the very wealthy land and business owners who don’t even work for their money. There was a guy who might be a benefit cheat (he has a Polish dog, bloody EU), so let’s clamp down on benefits fraud whilst writing off the billions syphoned to tory donors and tory mps friends and family through fast track covid lanes for deficient ppe. This government is breaking our country. But I am knocking the UK for saying so and cannot be a patriot and cannot love my country because I criticise our government and what they are doing to it. The UK won’t exist soon when N Ire and Scotland leave in the next decade because of the tories and their awful policies.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 5, 2022 8:31:16 GMT
Anyone think we may be in line for an election before the end of the year? The new Tory leader might fancy going to the country sooner rather than later on the basis that things are only going to get worse; much, much worse. In other words, learn from the error of Gordon Brown in 2007. Was listening to some bloke from Conservative Home. His strategic view was that every party needs to spend sometime in opposition (a) because people get fed up of you and (b) gives you time to regroup. The Tories - he said - should prepare for that at the next scheduled GE (2024) - because - as you say - anyone coming in will have a hard time of it - giving the Tories the best chance of getting back in at the first time of asking. That therefore almost guarantees Daft Liz will go early to seek a fresh mandate. Be hilarious if she then went one better than May and lost outright and so became the shortest serving PM of the modern era. “ and so became the shortest serving PM of the modern era.” Liz Truss is only 5 feet 3 ins, so that seems very likely. I’ll get me coat.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 5, 2022 8:34:59 GMT
Was listening to some bloke from Conservative Home. His strategic view was that every party needs to spend sometime in opposition (a) because people get fed up of you and (b) gives you time to regroup. The Tories - he said - should prepare for that at the next scheduled GE (2024) - because - as you say - anyone coming in will have a hard time of it - giving the Tories the best chance of getting back in at the first time of asking. That therefore almost guarantees Daft Liz will go early to seek a fresh mandate. Be hilarious if she then went one better than May and lost outright and so became the shortest serving PM of the modern era. “ and so became the shortest serving PM of the modern era.” Liz Truss is only 5 feet 3 ins, so that seems very likely. I’ll get me coat. You're forgetting about Ronnie Corbet's ill-fated stint as PM between 1982 and 1984.
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Post by 4372 on Aug 5, 2022 8:36:01 GMT
We've had 6 years of under forecasting UK performance, and predictions of economic disater; you should look at actual performance. Just as a reminder here is a forcast that was wrong about the depth of decline of GDP during the pandemic and the speed of recovery from the pandemic. www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/26/imf-downgrades-forecast-for-uk-economic-recoveryDespite being the worst affected by the pandemic, we recovered GDP to prepandemic level a month after France who were less impacted by the pandemic. Germany, Italy, and Japan GDPs have all still not got back to the GDP level they were before the pandemic. We have a great country that consistently outperforms forcasts, despite our poor government. Why is it some people keep talking down our great country? The country is driven by our businesses, health and social services, security and defence services, education services, etc. that is "the people" , not a bunch of useless politicians, most of whom are politicians because they could not do a proper job. Stop knocking the UK. I guess you believe the BoE is knocking the UK too after yesterday’s announcements. I guess you will use the oil producer profits as evidence that brexit isn’t impacting business because they have record profits. If multi millionaire shareholders are getting richer, why should us little people moan? We must be knocking Britain if we are. That’s Tory policy through and through. Millionaires get richer, but look, 100 people fleeing war came to the UK on a tiny boat (one of their kids died on the crossing), let’s send them to Rwanda and ignore the continued movement of money away from workers to the very wealthy land and business owners who don’t even work for their money. There was a guy who might be a benefit cheat (he has a Polish dog, bloody EU), so let’s clamp down on benefits fraud whilst writing off the billions syphoned to tory donors and tory mps friends and family through fast track covid lanes for deficient ppe. This government is breaking our country. But I am knocking the UK for saying so and cannot be a patriot and cannot love my country because I criticise our government and what they are doing to it. The UK won’t exist soon when N Ire and Scotland leave in the next decade because of the tories and their awful policies. When they say "stop knocking the UK", they have run out of argument, is what they mean.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2022 8:44:52 GMT
I see that Kwarteng is out blaming the BoE for 13% inflation. But inflation caused by supply chain shocks, such as now, won’t be tamed by rising interest rates. Regulation is how to deal with the cost of living crisis. The government are to blame for failing to act.
Stop energy companies from being able to increase costs to consumers by preventing oil and gas producers from increasing prices when they are making these massive profits. That will drive energy prices back down and help with inflation.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 5, 2022 8:53:59 GMT
I see that Kwarteng is out blaming the BoE for 13% inflation. But inflation caused by supply chain shocks, such as now, won’t be tamed by rising interest rates. Regulation is how to deal with the cost of living crisis. The government are to blame for failing to act. Stop energy companies from being able to increase costs to consumers by preventing oil and gas producers from increasing prices when they are making these massive profits. That will drive energy prices back down and help with inflation. One thing the Tories are genuinely world-beating at is blaming someone else. Always someone else's fault. And their client media help in that regard too.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 5, 2022 8:55:25 GMT
I see that Kwarteng is out blaming the BoE for 13% inflation. But inflation caused by supply chain shocks, such as now, won’t be tamed by rising interest rates. Regulation is how to deal with the cost of living crisis. The government are to blame for failing to act. Stop energy companies from being able to increase costs to consumers by preventing oil and gas producers from increasing prices when they are making these massive profits. That will drive energy prices back down and help with inflation. 'Amazingly' this is on the front page of The Heil today, in their eyes of course all our woes are down to the Bank of England and not our corrupt inept government 🤷
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 5, 2022 8:59:06 GMT
I see that Kwarteng is out blaming the BoE for 13% inflation. But inflation caused by supply chain shocks, such as now, won’t be tamed by rising interest rates. Regulation is how to deal with the cost of living crisis. The government are to blame for failing to act. Stop energy companies from being able to increase costs to consumers by preventing oil and gas producers from increasing prices when they are making these massive profits. That will drive energy prices back down and help with inflation. 'Amazingly' this is on the front page of The Heil today, in their eyes of course all our woes are down to the Bank of England and not our corrupt inept government 🤷 I wonder if the Daily Hate will splash Starmer's failure to declare football tickets and the like on their front page tomorrow. I'd not be surprised. Nice little distraction and a chance to run some false equivalence bollocks.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 5, 2022 9:12:16 GMT
I see that Kwarteng is out blaming the BoE for 13% inflation. But inflation caused by supply chain shocks, such as now, won’t be tamed by rising interest rates. Regulation is how to deal with the cost of living crisis. The government are to blame for failing to act. Stop energy companies from being able to increase costs to consumers by preventing oil and gas producers from increasing prices when they are making these massive profits. That will drive energy prices back down and help with inflation. Once again satire is dead. Whatever you think of Andrew Bailey at least he showed up. Where's the Chancellor ffs? He's only been in the job a fortnight and he's off sunning himself whilst the economy burns. They're not even bothered about creating an illusion that they give a fuck. Still - I suppose you can't find the time to threaten legal action on people questioning your tax affairs anf do a full time job.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 9:20:48 GMT
'Amazingly' this is on the front page of The Heil today, in their eyes of course all our woes are down to the Bank of England and not our corrupt inept government 🤷 I wonder if the Daily Hate will splash Starmer's failure to declare football tickets and the like on their front page tomorrow. I'd not be surprised. Nice little distraction and a chance to run some false equivalence bollocks. Quite possibly. Then again, being promoted as “Mr Rules” does leave you somewhat exposed if you end up breaking rules, even if those are minor infractions. Not smart politics. Or maybe very smart politics from Lisa Nancy setting Starmer up for a fall. Probably not though. Politicians aren’t that smart.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 5, 2022 9:25:30 GMT
The snake openly admitting he takes money from urban areas that need it (Stoke for example), to fund wealthy little towns
the sooner this con artist, this absolute charlatan, the man who hates the self-employed, the man who lit the fuse on the 2008 financial crisis (The Times words, not mine), and the man who is responsible for where we are now, is exposed for what he is the better.
the tories hate people from stoke, they laugh at them, they will never help us. It bends my head to think people from North Staffs will still doff their cap at crooks like him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 5, 2022 9:26:24 GMT
How can anyone defend this lot?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 5, 2022 9:30:01 GMT
How can anyone defend this lot? Yeah - but what about Starmer's football tickets.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 5, 2022 9:39:14 GMT
The snake openly admitting he takes money from urban areas that need it (Stoke for example), to fund wealthy little towns the sooner this con artist, this absolute charlatan, the man who hates the self-employed, the man who lit the fuse on the 2008 financial crisis (The Times words, not mine), and the man who is responsible for where we are now, is exposed for what he is the better. the tories hate people from stoke, they laugh at them, they will never help us. It bends my head to think people from North Staffs will still doff their cap at crooks like him. FYD will be along any minute to tell us why this is a good thing for areas like Stoke.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 5, 2022 9:41:28 GMT
How can anyone defend this lot?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 5, 2022 9:52:29 GMT
How can anyone defend this lot? 😂🤣
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Post by elystokie on Aug 5, 2022 10:04:19 GMT
How can anyone defend this lot? Quality
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 5, 2022 10:20:02 GMT
The snake openly admitting he takes money from urban areas that need it (Stoke for example), to fund wealthy little towns the sooner this con artist, this absolute charlatan, the man who hates the self-employed, the man who lit the fuse on the 2008 financial crisis (The Times words, not mine), and the man who is responsible for where we are now, is exposed for what he is the better. the tories hate people from stoke, they laugh at them, they will never help us. It bends my head to think people from North Staffs will still doff their cap at crooks like him. If I might make a diversion, I am always reminded of Claude Rains whenever Tunbridge Wells is mentioned. Rains was one of our greatest actors, so good that he be playing a support role in a film and all the big stars would be doing their stuff and at the end of a scene Rains would steal the scene. He did it at the end of Casablanca and he did it in this scene from Lawrence Of Arabia, when Lawrence having led the Arabs (can I say that?) to drive out the Turks (Ottoman Empire) was given the elbow. It is a long scene but worth it for Rains line at the end.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 5, 2022 11:14:10 GMT
How can anyone defend this lot? When you listen to his story about his parents making huge sacrifices to fund him to get to Winchester he's misleading himself on where his wealth is and on what mechanisms he can improve his wealth. He's married into it and he's trying to sell a story of hard work while his misses has been playing the UK tax system. I think it's a fair hypothesis to say the money she has saved in tax dodging will have dwarfed his income as an MP. Fair play for not being completely embarrassed and ashamed and thinking you can lecture the country on money though, that is some self confidence.
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