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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2022 16:23:47 GMT
The MP for Stoke North has been displaying his Political acumen again Still its only Northern Ireland. No need to show restraint and knowledge of your brief in that department! Jonathan Gullis (Con) says that when he saw the deportation flight to Rwanda being halted he was so frustrated he said the UK should withdraw from the European convention of human rights. But he says he wants to say now that he was wrong. Having engaged with Dominic Raab, he now accepts that the principle set out in the bill of rights bill is a better way of dealing with the problem.
In fact, Gullis withdrew his call for the UK to leave the convention within about an hour of his making it on social media late at night on social media last time. Gullis reportedly had a rethink after recalling that the ECHR is an integral part of the Good Friday agreement, which the government supports. Gullis is parliamentary private secretary to the Northern Ireland secretary, Brandon Lewis, and presumably should have realised this in the first place. He is unbelievably stupid. And my MP, to my eternal shame. Is this your new catch phrase? I like it👍🏻
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2022 16:26:20 GMT
You've just got to smile when Alastair Campbell makes a comment like "One of the most malign cultural and political forces of recent decades". The words pot, kettle, black spring to mind. Campbell is like Mother Teresa compared with Johnson.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 22, 2022 16:36:44 GMT
You've just got to smile when Alastair Campbell makes a comment like "One of the most malign cultural and political forces of recent decades". The words pot, kettle, black spring to mind. Campbell is like Mother Teresa compared with Johnson. I’m not sure, as odious as Campbell is, he’s quite as despicable as the evil Mother Theresa.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 22, 2022 16:48:58 GMT
Just been listening to the PM program and it was a reminder just how shit the BBC are.
The presenter was interviewing a Tory MP who is head of the Justice Committee in Westminster about the new bill that is being put forward from Johnson’s government. Fair enough. The questions were pointed, again fair enough, but the Tory guy explained calmly how he saw things which was he was happy with the general principles but had some concerns that he could comment on when he’d had the chance to see detail of the proposal. He also corrected the interviewer on some assumptions he was making on the role of EHCR.
Next up was a local Tory from Bedford who has something to do with the police to talk about some initiative he is undertaking related to children and schools and the police. (PM is being broadcast from Bedford to give some local colour to stories - like this piece). Anyway, rather than talk to him about the topic he was supposed to talk about, the presenter referred back to the previous topic and pressed him time and time again about the new Human rights bill which the interviewer politely handled by saying it wasn’t something that directly affected him and tried valiantly to discuss the local subject he’d been brought onto the programme to discuss.
This is sadly typical of the BBC looking to create headlines rather than present the news. In this case, having failed to land a punch on his main target, he tried to sucker punch a secondary target.
Wankers.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2022 16:52:03 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 22, 2022 17:19:46 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. Only someone who is spectacular stupid could make a statement like that.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2022 19:29:49 GMT
Now I'm a bit concerned for you Fella My very first post on this subject was about Jennifer and Carrie. So much so my description of them exorcised Patrick so much he quoted it which you subsequently approved of If this is just your usual denial of facts that have actually taken place fair enough its expected of you. If you feel however it's more sinister and potentially the early onset of a condition, I'd have it checked out if I were you. No fella without putting too fine a point on it now you are just talking bollocks, your first post may have been about Jennifer and Carrie but absolutely nowhere have I responded about anything but the supposedly disappearing Carrie / Boris story, everyone else was clearly talking about that theres even a link to Crick claiming on LBC this was malfeascence yet when I laughed at your suddenly you are talking about something 4 pages back with a random mention for Acuri, go figure..... Don't flatter yourself Fella I don't just come onto this MB just to interact with you You scoffed at the idea that Boris could possibly be investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office I pointed out to you that Boris is CURRENTLY being Investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office with regard to his alleged misconduct in being instrumental in providing his Long Term Mistress Jennifer Arcuri £126K of Public Monies Jennifer has apparently provided documentary evidence to prove Boris's alleged Ciminality to the IOPC (Hell hath no Fury like a woman scorned - Cosgrave in case Patrick should accuse me of appropriating this idiom) I await your next deflection and denial of these FACTS
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jun 22, 2022 20:57:03 GMT
In my view. we have the worst Government led by the worst Prime Minister in my lifetime. Such a pity that John Smith never got the opportunity to lead the country. I am not that bothered which party is in power so long as it puts decency and fairness at the top of its agenda. The present lot is singularly lacking in those departments. Croneyism seems to be the order of the day. P.S. I might add competence as well
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2022 21:59:16 GMT
Just been listening to the PM program and it was a reminder just how shit the BBC are. The presenter was interviewing a Tory MP who is head of the Justice Committee in Westminster about the new bill that is being put forward from Johnson’s government. Fair enough. The questions were pointed, again fair enough, but the Tory guy explained calmly how he saw things which was he was happy with the general principles but had some concerns that he could comment on when he’d had the chance to see detail of the proposal. He also corrected the interviewer on some assumptions he was making on the role of EHCR. Next up was a local Tory from Bedford who has something to do with the police to talk about some initiative he is undertaking related to children and schools and the police. (PM is being broadcast from Bedford to give some local colour to stories - like this piece). Anyway, rather than talk to him about the topic he was supposed to talk about, the presenter referred back to the previous topic and pressed him time and time again about the new Human rights bill which the interviewer politely handled by saying it wasn’t something that directly affected him and tried valiantly to discuss the local subject he’d been brought onto the programme to discuss. This is sadly typical of the BBC looking to create headlines rather than present the news. In this case, having failed to land a punch on his main target, he tried to sucker punch a secondary target. Wankers.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 22, 2022 22:43:46 GMT
No fella without putting too fine a point on it now you are just talking bollocks, your first post may have been about Jennifer and Carrie but absolutely nowhere have I responded about anything but the supposedly disappearing Carrie / Boris story, everyone else was clearly talking about that theres even a link to Crick claiming on LBC this was malfeascence yet when I laughed at your suddenly you are talking about something 4 pages back with a random mention for Acuri, go figure..... Don't flatter yourself Fella I don't just come onto this MB just to interact with you You scoffed at the idea that Boris could possibly be investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office I pointed out to you that Boris is CURRENTLY being Investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office with regard to his alleged misconduct in being instrumental in providing his Long Term Mistress Jennifer Arcuri £126K of Public Monies Jennifer has apparently provided documentary evidence to prove Boris's alleged Ciminality to the IOPC (Hell hath no Fury like a woman scorned - Cosgrave in case Patrick should accuse me of appropriating this idiom) I await your next deflection and denial of these FACTS I quite clearly scoffed at the idea that can I offer her a job is malfeasance, I mean I even replied to another poster who posted the crick / lbc link claiming this was malfeasance obviously too cryptic for you and you somehow think I am talking about Acuri lol. Pretty sure only the police can investigate claims of this kind and there is no such inquiry, there is some sort of ethics hearing at the GLA that Sadiq initiated, I wouldn't hold your breath it comes to much but you not being much of a detail man I can understand how you got confused.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2022 23:58:21 GMT
Don't flatter yourself Fella I don't just come onto this MB just to interact with you You scoffed at the idea that Boris could possibly be investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office I pointed out to you that Boris is CURRENTLY being Investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office with regard to his alleged misconduct in being instrumental in providing his Long Term Mistress Jennifer Arcuri £126K of Public Monies Jennifer has apparently provided documentary evidence to prove Boris's alleged Ciminality to the IOPC (Hell hath no Fury like a woman scorned - Cosgrave in case Patrick should accuse me of appropriating this idiom) I await your next deflection and denial of these FACTS I quite clearly scoffed at the idea that can I offer her a job is malfeasance, I mean I even replied to another poster who posted the crick / lbc link claiming this was malfeasance obviously too cryptic for you and you somehow think I am talking about Acuri lol. Pretty sure only the police can investigate claims of this kind and there is no such inquiry, there is some sort of ethics hearing at the GLA that Sadiq initiated, I wouldn't hold your breath it comes to much but you not being much of a detail man I can understand how you got confused. Please don't play dumb If Boris carried out his intent to make Carrie Symonds his Mistress at the time his Cheif of Staff then he could and probably would have been investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office. Fortunately for him Gascoigne has previously seen them "in flagrante" and threatened to resign if Boris proceeded Intent yes,actuality no, therefore no crime. It won't have escaped anyone's notice that Boris ducked a straightforward question on this today at PMs refusing to confirm or deny it was ever his intent Because Boris has left office of Mayor GLA no Longer has power to investigate or sanction so your bollocks about Sadiq Khan is just that The IOPC did investigate this matter previously and found no evidence, all the emails had been deleted. They fail to even interview Jennifer Arcuri Jennifer Arcuri has now come forward with contemporaneous diaries which she kept during her four years as Boris's Mistress including Boris volunteering to be her "throtle" to advance her career which he also funded with £126K of Public Monies These Diaries are now in the safe hands of Investigative Journalist John Ware so whether the IOPCs second investigation will attempt another cover up they will be published one way or another Boris should, but he can help himself, known better as he had previously been rebuked while Mayor and forced to go on a compulsory training course about acknowledging "personal relationships " This was after, I know its difficult to keep up, his failure to disclose a previous "advisor" and Mistress Helen McIntyre had produced a daughter out of that liason "Oh, what a tangled Web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!" Sir Walter Scott
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 23, 2022 6:50:58 GMT
Delicious
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2022 6:55:02 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. Only someone who is spectacular stupid could make a statement like that. It’s true. It would reduce costs for businesses and boost exports (something we desperately need). Interesting that all you could do to argue against my statement is call me stupid.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 23, 2022 7:03:25 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. I’m a remainer and continue to think we’re causing harm to ourselves but the most proven way and therefore surely the best way is higher interest rates. It will be incredibly unpopular as I’m guessing personal debt is at an all time high but it will definitely lower inflation, eventually.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 23, 2022 7:08:00 GMT
Only someone who is spectacular stupid could make a statement like that. It’s true. It would reduce costs for businesses and boost exports (something we desperately need). Interesting that all you could do to argue against my statement is call me stupid. Inflation’s root cause is people thinking prices are going up and therefore being willing to pay them. People won’t say it aloud but hardship is needed to reduce demand and therefore stem inflation. I appreciate the calls that this is a supply side problem but as we have no immediate tools to solve that I think we’re back to the traditional ones.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2022 7:16:10 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. I’m a remainer and continue to think we’re causing harm to ourselves but the most proven way and therefore surely the best way is higher interest rates. It will be incredibly unpopular as I’m guessing personal debt is at an all time high but it will definitely lower inflation, eventually. I disagree. Increasing interest rates would help if we all had lots of surplus cash and we were spending lots of money which was causing inflation. The increased rates may then encourage us to save rather than spend and therefore reduce inflation. It would also increase mortgage costs and reduce spending power. But this inflation isn’t caused by lots of excess cash, so increasing interest rates will help but only in a limited way.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2022 7:23:09 GMT
It’s true. It would reduce costs for businesses and boost exports (something we desperately need). Interesting that all you could do to argue against my statement is call me stupid. Inflation’s root cause is people thinking prices are going up and therefore being willing to pay them. People won’t say it aloud but hardship is needed to reduce demand and therefore stem inflation. I appreciate the calls that this is a supply side problem but as we have no immediate tools to solve that I think we’re back to the traditional ones. Inflation isn’t going up because people think prices are increasing!? Prices really are increasing. It isn’t our imagination. Have a look at the RPI and CPI rates.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2022 7:44:27 GMT
Only someone who is spectacular stupid could make a statement like that. It’s true. It would reduce costs for businesses and boost exports (something we desperately need). Interesting that all you could do to argue against my statement is call me stupid. It’s a stupid argument. Why? Because only a stupid person would ignore the need for the UK to comply with the obligation to accept freedom of movement which you have done. And, you have to be spectacular stupid if you think that is a trivial subject. So, stupid just about sums up your statement.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2022 7:58:02 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. I’m a remainer and continue to think we’re causing harm to ourselves but the most proven way and therefore surely the best way is higher interest rates. It will be incredibly unpopular as I’m guessing personal debt is at an all time high but it will definitely lower inflation, eventually. The main reason for raising interest rates isn’t to address domestic spending but to try and help bring down the exchange rates, and it’s exchange rates that have been causing us particularly acute problems in a period of globally high inflation. The problem is interest rate increases need to be accompanied by a reduction in public spending to convince investors sterling is undervalued. This is the trap Thatcher and Howe fell into in the early 80s with catastrophic results for industry whose costs boomed and international competitively collapsed leading to the closure of so many businesses; and it looks like the current government is jumping two footed into the same hole.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 23, 2022 8:43:41 GMT
Inflation’s root cause is people thinking prices are going up and therefore being willing to pay them. People won’t say it aloud but hardship is needed to reduce demand and therefore stem inflation. I appreciate the calls that this is a supply side problem but as we have no immediate tools to solve that I think we’re back to the traditional ones. Inflation isn’t going up because people think prices are increasing!? Prices really are increasing. It isn’t our imagination. Have a look at the RPI and CPI rates. I think they kind of are. The first step is supply side but you only have to look at the strikes today, people want higher wages because they assume prices are going to increase in price. If they thought prices would go back to 1% increases would there be such arguments?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 23, 2022 9:00:28 GMT
I’m a remainer and continue to think we’re causing harm to ourselves but the most proven way and therefore surely the best way is higher interest rates. It will be incredibly unpopular as I’m guessing personal debt is at an all time high but it will definitely lower inflation, eventually. The main reason for raising interest rates isn’t to address domestic spending but to try and help bring down the exchange rates, and it’s exchange rates that have been causing us particularly acute problems in a period of globally high inflation. The problem is interest rate increases need to be accompanied by a reduction in public spending to convince investors sterling is undervalued. This is the trap Thatcher and Howe fell into in the early 80s with catastrophic results for industry whose costs boomed and international competitively collapsed leading to the closure of so many businesses; and it looks like the current government is jumping two footed into the same hole. I suppose against what I said earlier the best way to increase the strength of the pound would be to join the EU.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2022 9:07:32 GMT
The main reason for raising interest rates isn’t to address domestic spending but to try and help bring down the exchange rates, and it’s exchange rates that have been causing us particularly acute problems in a period of globally high inflation. The problem is interest rate increases need to be accompanied by a reduction in public spending to convince investors sterling is undervalued. This is the trap Thatcher and Howe fell into in the early 80s with catastrophic results for industry whose costs boomed and international competitively collapsed leading to the closure of so many businesses; and it looks like the current government is jumping two footed into the same hole. I suppose against what I said earlier the best way to increase the strength of the pound would be to join the EU. I think that certainly would help. But it ain't going to happen. It's a bit like saying the best way to end the war in Ukraine is for Putin to withdraw, apologise, pay reparations and promise never to do something so nasty again. We have to live in the real world so it's a pointless thing to consider.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2022 9:21:15 GMT
It’s true. It would reduce costs for businesses and boost exports (something we desperately need). Interesting that all you could do to argue against my statement is call me stupid. It’s a stupid argument. Why? Because only a stupid person would ignore the need for the UK to comply with the obligation to accept freedom of movement which you have done. And, you have to be spectacular stupid if you think that is a trivial subject. So, stupid just about sums up your statement. It would reduce inflation though, so obviously is not a stupid statement. It is a factually accurate statement that you don’t like because you perhaps oppose freedom of movement. Having more money in your pocket and cheaper prices of everything may be worth freedom of movement for many. I think freedom of movement is a brilliant thing as it means those eligible to come here can for more than just a short stay, and it means frictionless trade. It would reduce inflation. Hence my factually accurate statement.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 23, 2022 9:24:58 GMT
It’s a stupid argument. Why? Because only a stupid person would ignore the need for the UK to comply with the obligation to accept freedom of movement which you have done. And, you have to be spectacular stupid if you think that is a trivial subject. So, stupid just about sums up your statement. It would reduce inflation though, so obviously is not a stupid statement. It is a factually accurate statement that you don’t like because you perhaps oppose freedom of movement. Having more money in your pocket and cheaper prices of everything may be worth freedom of movement for many. I think freedom of movement is a brilliant thing as it means those eligible to come here can for more than just a short stay, and it means frictionless trade. It would reduce inflation. Hence my factually accurate statement. It's a stupid because you said it was "the most immediate and sensible way". The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. It clearly isn't because it is massively complicated by the problem of needing the UK to accept freedom of movement.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 23, 2022 9:55:26 GMT
I quite clearly scoffed at the idea that can I offer her a job is malfeasance, I mean I even replied to another poster who posted the crick / lbc link claiming this was malfeasance obviously too cryptic for you and you somehow think I am talking about Acuri lol. Pretty sure only the police can investigate claims of this kind and there is no such inquiry, there is some sort of ethics hearing at the GLA that Sadiq initiated, I wouldn't hold your breath it comes to much but you not being much of a detail man I can understand how you got confused. Please don't play dumb If Boris carried out his intent to make Carrie Symonds his Mistress at the time his Cheif of Staff then he could and probably would have been investigated for Malfeasance in a Public Office. Fortunately for him Gascoigne has previously seen them "in flagrante" and threatened to resign if Boris proceeded Intent yes,actuality no, therefore no crime. It won't have escaped anyone's notice that Boris ducked a straightforward question on this today at PMs refusing to confirm or deny it was ever his intent Because Boris has left office of Mayor GLA no Longer has power to investigate or sanction so your bollocks about Sadiq Khan is just that The IOPC did investigate this matter previously and found no evidence, all the emails had been deleted. They fail to even interview Jennifer Arcuri Jennifer Arcuri has now come forward with contemporaneous diaries which she kept during her four years as Boris's Mistress including Boris volunteering to be her "throtle" to advance her career which he also funded with £126K of Public Monies These Diaries are now in the safe hands of Investigative Journalist John Ware so whether the IOPCs second investigation will attempt another cover up they will be published one way or another Boris should, but he can help himself, known better as he had previously been rebuked while Mayor and forced to go on a compulsory training course about acknowledging "personal relationships " This was after, I know its difficult to keep up, his failure to disclose a previous "advisor" and Mistress Helen McIntyre had produced a daughter out of that liason "Oh, what a tangled Web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!" Sir Walter Scott www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/assembly-responds-to-iopc-investigationPerhaps someone should tell the GLA ethics oversight committee Wannabee says they can't investigate although of course they might just tell you what bollocks he is talking like his imaginary 2nd IOPC investigation.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 23, 2022 11:11:13 GMT
CWS nails it again.
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Post by yeokel on Jun 23, 2022 11:39:35 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. If that’s the case, how come it’s not working for the EU where the annual inflation rate is currently 8.8%? This includes notables such as Poland @ 12.8% Netherlands @ 10.2% Belgium @ 9.9% Germany @ 8.7% Spain @ 8.5% Ireland @ 8.3% And France with an almost respectable 5.8% link Statista
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 23, 2022 11:43:37 GMT
It’s a stupid argument. Why? Because only a stupid person would ignore the need for the UK to comply with the obligation to accept freedom of movement which you have done. And, you have to be spectacular stupid if you think that is a trivial subject. So, stupid just about sums up your statement. It would reduce inflation though, so obviously is not a stupid statement. It is a factually accurate statement that you don’t like because you perhaps oppose freedom of movement. Having more money in your pocket and cheaper prices of everything may be worth freedom of movement for many. I think freedom of movement is a brilliant thing as it means those eligible to come here can for more than just a short stay, and it means frictionless trade. It would reduce inflation. Hence my factually accurate statement. I think a step the government should definitely take is to change the points system so anyone working in the services industries or care sector could come in and work on a temporary visa. It won't happen because it would be admitting some of the sales points of Brexit were false. The Tory mantra is all about jobs and higher paying jobs without explaining what we will do with the less well paid jobs.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 23, 2022 11:45:48 GMT
The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. If that’s the case, how come it’s not working for the EU where the annual inflation rate is currently 8.8%? This includes notables such as Poland @ 12.8% Netherlands @ 10.2% Belgium @ 9.9% Germany @ 8.7% Spain @ 8.5% Ireland @ 8.3% And France with an almost respectable 5.8% link StatistaI don't think anyone is saying inflation is because of Brexit but as we have the worst inflation rate in the G7 I think it's worth entertaining the idea it's not helping especially when there is agreement that availability of labour is contributing to it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2022 11:59:05 GMT
It would reduce inflation though, so obviously is not a stupid statement. It is a factually accurate statement that you don’t like because you perhaps oppose freedom of movement. Having more money in your pocket and cheaper prices of everything may be worth freedom of movement for many. I think freedom of movement is a brilliant thing as it means those eligible to come here can for more than just a short stay, and it means frictionless trade. It would reduce inflation. Hence my factually accurate statement. It's a stupid because you said it was "the most immediate and sensible way". The most immediate and sensible way of reducing inflation would be to join the EEA and therefore the single market. It clearly isn't because it is massively complicated by the problem of needing the UK to accept freedom of movement. But far less complex than breaching international law to “resolve” the trade barrier dividing your nation, or breaching international law (to be confirmed) to “resolve” illegal immigration by sending people to Rwanda. Accepting free movement to reduce costs ( and reduce immigration if you are correct that immigrant levels have increased post brexit as you have posted) would be very sensible and more immediate than doing nothing much to tackle inflation as we are now.
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