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Post by spitthedog on May 25, 2022 15:40:59 GMT
Not just any civil servant though, Boris' private secretary. Which makes it more likely that Boris knew what was going on. Did you post that with a straight face?...that's a wind up right? So what about the words that were coming out of his mouth every day telling people what they could and couldn't do and you seriously suggesting he didn't know what he was doing and whether he was breaking any rules? So you you think he really is that incompetent?
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Post by followyoudown on May 25, 2022 15:45:48 GMT
Did you post that with a straight face?...that's a wind up right? So what about the words that were coming out of his mouth every day telling people what they could and couldn't do and you seriously suggesting he didn't know what he was doing and whether he was breaking any rules? So you you think he really is that incompetent? One doesn't tend to invite the official photographer along if you think you are breaking the rules I'd say and whatever they may or may not have been they sure as shit weren't parties anyway.
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Post by spitthedog on May 25, 2022 15:50:10 GMT
Did you post that with a straight face?...that's a wind up right? So what about the words that were coming out of his mouth every day telling people what they could and couldn't do and you seriously suggesting he didn't know what he was doing and whether he was breaking any rules? So you you think he really is that incompetent? One doesn't tend to invite the official photographer along if you think you are breaking the rules I'd say and whatever they may or may not have been they sure as shit weren't parties anyway. well maybe you do invite the photographer if you consider yourself to be beyond the law.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 25, 2022 15:50:16 GMT
Still missing the point. You do not address any of those points from the Panorama programme where it's clear he saw what was going on and did nothing to ensure the rules he set were being observed in his own workplace. Further, people felt that he condoned or even encouraged it. It's still a strange country where people still think he's fit to be PM. I literally addressed that in the previous post to you anonymous highly paid people blaming someone else for their actions. Still missing the point.
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Post by toppercorner on May 25, 2022 15:51:16 GMT
I think the govt sold it, and now it's a private company. Hence why the interest rates and terms are changing which are detrimental to the student. No you are mistaken, the interest rate always changes each year to be cpi +3% its only because cpi is 9% that the rate for the current year is 12%, I think the period of repayment may have been changed or may change to 40 years. You are I think referring to the sale of some of the loans in 2013 that made no change on repayments just effectively who gets the money back, the SLC got a big chunk up front back the buyer takes the profit / loss risk on the remaining payments. I could be mistaken on this, I do agree.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 25, 2022 15:52:16 GMT
I literally addressed that in the previous post to you anonymous highly paid people blaming someone else for their actions. Still missing the point. He always has and always will.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 25, 2022 15:54:20 GMT
Apologist- defending the indefensible again. Truth not important to you fair enough. Today was the day I got lectured by FYD on the importance of truth. I will consider myself humbled.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 25, 2022 16:04:47 GMT
Did you post that with a straight face?...that's a wind up right? So what about the words that were coming out of his mouth every day telling people what they could and couldn't do and you seriously suggesting he didn't know what he was doing and whether he was breaking any rules? So you you think he really is that incompetent? One doesn't tend to invite the official photographer along if you think you are breaking the rules I'd say and whatever they may or may not have been they sure as shit weren't parties anyway. You are honestly sat there with a straight face thinking he didn't deliberately mislead Parliament? If so you surely must think that he must be sacked for pure incompetence then? No? If so what kind of weird space are you inhabiting. Even Dan H has given up defending this particular nonsense!
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Post by wannabee on May 25, 2022 16:19:58 GMT
Strange that the party in the No10 flat was not investigated. That was considered the event of most concern as it was a party hosted by Carrie (so obviously not a work event) that the PM attended along with Carrie’s mates, and they played Abba loudly. Why wasn’t that even looked into? Sue Gray in her report that she was just on the point of investigating this event and it was at this point the Met intervened and they decided not to investigate Draw your own conclusions on the timing of Met intervention and their decision not to investigate She could hardly then subsequently investigate
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Post by wannabee on May 25, 2022 16:48:49 GMT
The main thing I found objectionable in Boris's Pseudo Apology/Excuse in HOC today was when he said he felt it was his duty (implying he was an outstanding boss) to attend going away parties to personally thank his staff for their outstanding and hard work during the Epidemic
If he even considered his words for one moment he might reflect that his rules at the same time as these parties were taking place tens of thousands of people were being prevented from visiting to pay their last respects and comfort to their dying relatives W⚓
If you are a Narcisist the rules, even your own do not apply Therefore how can you break the rules
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 25, 2022 17:12:49 GMT
Let's face it, unless something extraordinary comes out in the next few days, this is the end of Partygate, and what's changed, really?
If you thought Boris Johnson was a liar, a clown and an arsehole before he got elected, all of that has been utterly vindicated.
If you had your head up his arse previously, it's probably stayed there.
In the meantime, on he goes.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 25, 2022 17:26:47 GMT
Let's face it, unless something extraordinary comes out in the next few days, this is the end of Partygate, and what's changed, really? If you thought Boris Johnson was a liar, a clown and an arsehole before he got elected, all of that has been utterly vindicated. If you had your head up his arse previously, it's probably stayed there. In the meantime, on he goes. It seems like the Tory party are happy for him to ride this one out front and centre - send a few of the idiots (like Gullis…) and those with ambitions to deal with the fallout & see where they end up. I don’t think they’ll want him leading them at the next election and they’ll make moves to get him gone by then but they’ve got a bit of time and control with that. Are they just playing for time with old “honest” Dominic Cummings and seeing what else he’s got to release, the lovable rogue that he is with his own seemingly personal vendetta like a jilted ex-lover pouring scorn on his unfaithful partner - the one he’d do anything for?
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 25, 2022 17:33:25 GMT
Always bewilders me how the bar or threshold for a Labour government to seemingly have to demonstrate always seems to be set so much higher than the incumbent Tory government.
I mean, 12 parties. What a f*cking joke that is.
Don't forget, the unfounded, hypothetical governance of the Labour party is somehow worse than the actual, demonstrably egregious governance that we have and under which we have suffered.
When the electorate wake up we may have half a chance.
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Post by shakermaker on May 25, 2022 17:37:03 GMT
Let's face it, unless something extraordinary comes out in the next few days, this is the end of Partygate, and what's changed, really? If you thought Boris Johnson was a liar, a clown and an arsehole before he got elected, all of that has been utterly vindicated. If you had your head up his arse previously, it's probably stayed there. In the meantime, on he goes. Sadly, you’re probably right. The only hope left is that enough MPs submit letters of no confidence, but I’m not sure even that will happen. The report ended up being a damp squib, with the most incriminating party at Johnson’s flat going unchecked. There are plenty of photos that didn’t end up in the report. Hopefully they can be revealed.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 25, 2022 17:38:51 GMT
Let's face it, unless something extraordinary comes out in the next few days, this is the end of Partygate, and what's changed, really? If you thought Boris Johnson was a liar, a clown and an arsehole before he got elected, all of that has been utterly vindicated. If you had your head up his arse previously, it's probably stayed there. In the meantime, on he goes. He certainly has his apologists, though polls seem to be showing Tory support is being stripped back to levels close to those who would vote for a cabbage as long as it had blue rosette on it (but enough about the PM) I think the main justification that most 2019 Tory voters are now giving is that ultimately they have no choice. I can empathise with that in the last election due to the Brexit stance, but not anymore. In essence it's just a lazy excuse to try to rationalise incompetence and abhorrence. The Tory strategy seems to be to try to tar all parties with the same brush. I don't recall Labour having 12 parties?
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Post by milton58 on May 25, 2022 17:39:50 GMT
Surprised Hancock hasn't been mentioned in party gate
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 25, 2022 18:01:20 GMT
I’m up for a remortgage and last month they asked me. I obviously have no proof it was taken into consideration but they did ask me. For your loan from the SLC? They really shouldn't. If it was a loan from the bank that you took out then yeah that makes sense. But they shouldn't do it for the normal student loan. Yes, they asked if I had any loans including student loans, I don’t but my wife does. It’s just a website and might be wrong but the below indicates it is taken into account. www.onlinemortgageadvisor.co.uk/mortgage-affordability/student-loans-and-mortgages/
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 25, 2022 18:07:18 GMT
If there was a general election tomorrow they’d lose, it’s the first time in this term that I’ve thought that. The question is, can he claw it back. I think he’ll survive to the next election because the Tories have no better options so are sleep walking into the next general election.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 25, 2022 18:33:54 GMT
Surprised Hancock hasn't been mentioned in party gate He was far too busy with his aide to make time for these parties…
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Post by cerebralstokie on May 25, 2022 20:29:28 GMT
If the polls continue to suggest that he is an electoral liability then the party will turn against him. If this happens, the problem the Tories will have is that there is no obvious successor.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 25, 2022 21:13:06 GMT
Boris could shit on FYD's carpet and he'd still defend him.
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2022 21:55:28 GMT
If the polls continue to suggest that he is an electoral liability then the party will turn against him. If this happens, the problem the Tories will have is that there is no obvious successor. It's reminiscent of the Major government
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 25, 2022 22:06:00 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 25, 2022 23:22:56 GMT
He’s a fucking vermin piece of scum and every single person who voted for him should now be doing the right thing and ousting him. On the fucking streets.
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Post by wannabee on May 25, 2022 23:26:50 GMT
He's no normal civil servant though is he. He was the Principal Private Secretary and the clue is in the 'We'. Closest civil servant to the Prime Minister no less. The "We" is the person who he is whatsapping a SPAD not the PM. I had originally decided not to engage with your sad defense of the indefensible but your continued attempts at deflection are beyond ludicrous I have to correct them I don't know you so I can't imagine what your motivation might be The facts are this is the first UK Prime Minister in history to have been convicted of an offence while in Office indeed of a Law he himself had introduced Your main deflection/defence seems to be that most of the people given a FPN were either Civil Servents or Spads While this is true the PM himself was in attendance in at least 9 of the 16 parties we know about. These gatherings were in breach of Covid rules he himself implemented on social gathering alone. His further defence seems to be that he couldn't forsee how unruly these gatherings would become unruly despite seeing the evidence of a multitude of bottles paraded before him but he didn't see fit to tell his employees this was against the rules You wish to blame Civil Servants It is to UK Government shame that Martin "BYOB" Reynolds is slated to become the next Ambassador to Saudi Arabia (thankfully a dry state) , but it is an appointment which will be made by Boris Johnson no doubt for his exemplary service of keeping his mouth shut Simon Case Boris's selection as Cabinet Secretary and originally selected to undertake the Partygate Enquiry until it was discovered he was in attendance at parties oops that cover up didn't work You wish to blame SPADS These are Special Advisors appointed and paid for directly by the Conservative Party Lee " we seem to have got away with it" Cain Boris Johnson's Spin Doctor and Aide during this whole story mess and previous advisor to Andrea Ledsom, Michael Gove, and Teresa May Cleo Watson a Dominic Cummings protégé when not working as an Advisor to Alok Sharma is writing a thinly disguised "BonkBuster" about the goings on in Westminster Alegra Stratton who at least had the decency to resign after being filmed laughing and joking at how to manage the PR if Parties were discovered by The Press. She is married to James Forsythe Rishi Sunak's Best Man So besides Boris and Rishi being convicted of an offence the other main protagonists are steeped directly in or beholden to The Conservatives
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on May 26, 2022 5:34:01 GMT
Did you post that with a straight face?...that's a wind up right? So what about the words that were coming out of his mouth every day telling people what they could and couldn't do and you seriously suggesting he didn't know what he was doing and whether he was breaking any rules? So you you think he really is that incompetent? One doesn't tend to invite the official photographer along if you think you are breaking the rules I'd say and whatever they may or may not have been they sure as shit weren't parties anyway. He's quite obviously thick then and should not be running this country. Anyone who backs this PM has no moral fibre and is unable to see through his lack of respect for the entire nation. He's treated the people of the UK like morons and hasn't had the decency to resign. He believes his 'charm' will get him through, which is incredibly dangerous.
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Post by essexstokey on May 26, 2022 8:40:15 GMT
One doesn't tend to invite the official photographer along if you think you are breaking the rules I'd say and whatever they may or may not have been they sure as shit weren't parties anyway. He's quite obviously thick then and should not be running this country. Anyone who backs this PM has no moral fibre and is unable to see through his lack of respect for the entire nation. He's treated the people of the UK like morons and hasn't had the decency to resign. He believes his 'charm' will get him through, which is incredibly dangerous. I think a fact that is being missed by everyone is the most dangerous one to us all by trying to save his own skin he has single handedly put us all in danger with threat of nuclear eniolation All though I agree that we should be helping Ukraine there are ways of doing it without the boastfulnes he and his cabinet have done it should have been a unified 1 voice but this scenario doesn't save boris skin does it We could have sent weapons without press conferences He has put us all in danger because of his ego
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Post by essexstokey on May 26, 2022 8:42:07 GMT
Surprised Hancock hasn't been mentioned in party gate Probably wasn't invited or to busy sorting ppe contracts out for his mates
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Post by followyoudown on May 26, 2022 8:52:28 GMT
It's weird why people who get so upset about lying keep claiming you couldn't see you dying gran.
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Post by followyoudown on May 26, 2022 8:53:21 GMT
Boris could shit on FYD's carpet and he'd still defend him. Yes I'd thank him for returning your brains.
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