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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2022 18:44:27 GMT
Grant Shapps in the morning anyone? I hope it's Dorries. She's even worse than Zahawi. It could be genuinely awe-inspiringly awful.
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Post by toppercorner on May 23, 2022 18:48:30 GMT
Grant Shapps in the morning anyone? I hope it's Dorries. She's even worse than Zahawi. It could be genuinely awe-inspiringly awful. Nadine doesn't do mornings, she's normally hungover. She does afternoons and evenings when she's had a few hours on the sauce (at our expense) and is raring to go toe to toe with anyone besmirching our blessed leader.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2022 19:07:33 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 19:12:21 GMT
The interest rate is rpi +3% if inflation is high the rate goes up so its 12% this year but will fall next year. 9 What nonsense university is for the rich, the current system allows any kid to goto uni and have their fees covered and get money to live on, they only pay back once they start to earn £27k a year. I have no idea why you think you can't send your kids to uni or why you need to cover the tuition fees when that is what the student loan is for. That last paragraph is just bizarre by your own claims you are one of the highest earning yet you want someone else to pay just like essex a few pages back..... If students average £50k of student debt at uni, and have to pay 12% interest, that’s £6k of interest a year. Someone on £30k fresh out of uni can never afford the interest. The debt will just get bigger and bigger and never come down until they earn a lot more. Meanwhile, a significant part of their salary has to be spent each month to pay only the interest back. They cannot afford that. How can they try to rent somewhere to live, or raise a deposit on a home? It is an awful position to be in. So yes, my kids could take on massive debts to go to uni. But it’s not worth it under the current student loans system. Rich people, by that I mean people with savings, with spare capital, second home owners etc, can just pay for their kids at uni. Their kids can then more easily save for a deposit on a home when then graduate as they aren’t riddled with debt. The current student loan system with very high interest reduces social mobility as it makes any student with student debt in a much worse financial position than the child with rich parents. My solution would level up. So university becomes increasingly unaffordable for the poor. But I have made these points continually already and you disagree so let’s not take it further. You don't understand how it works each year the interest rate changes by cpi +3% this year because inflation is so high the interest rate is 12% next year it wont be. Someone fresh out of uni on 30k would pay 9% of their salary above 27k, that is 9% of 3k or £270 or £22.50 a month they would repay, thats not a significant part of their salary not sure how anyone could misunderstand this so badly.... As for rich parents I know of none that pay their kids fees, if they have that much spare cash its more efficient to buy a house / flat for their kids to use whilst at uni and then sell it when they leave, saving on rent and getting some capital appreciation.
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Post by toppercorner on May 23, 2022 19:13:09 GMT
This is the sole reason the public cannot forgive or forget Number10/Boris parties. 140,000 families grieving whilst that liar drank and mingled, throwing wine down his neck. Laughing at us obeying the rules during one of the most strange times in the nation's history.
The Tories now make me shake with absolute rage.
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 19:15:40 GMT
The interest rate is rpi +3% if inflation is high the rate goes up so its 12% this year but will fall next year. What nonsense university is for the rich, the current system allows any kid to goto uni and have their fees covered and get money to live on, they only pay back once they start to earn £27k a year. I have no idea why you think you can't send your kids to uni or why you need to cover the tuition fees when that is what the student loan is for. That last paragraph is just bizarre by your own claims you are one of the highest earning yet you want someone else to pay just like essex a few pages back..... The current system does indeed allow any kid to go to university, question is will they be willing to be saddled with a 50k debt at the age of 21? My guess is less and less kids from a lower family earning bracket, will decide not to go down the higher education route. They will also be less inclined to pick the arts, which will then be a pursuit only the most privileged will undertake. (It’s already happened in drama schools) If its explained to them properly it won't make any difference to them, the current system has been in place for many years and I believe the mobility in England is higher for poorer kids than in Scotland where its free.
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 19:18:11 GMT
Assuming the picture matches the supposed dates... At a minimum there are 5 bottles of wine on the table, there's no way he could have known this was some kind of party, it's just your normal work day meeting. I think the Met might need to get ahead of this because I think some questions might be coming their way. Like why was a ministers brother put in charge of the cover up !! Casual racism again you are getting as bad as carpy, he recused himself. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/met-police-stitch-up-claim-26102172
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 19:22:48 GMT
i don't know how anyone can defend him. the warning signs were there. Sacked for lying TWICE as a journalist. The good news is you don't have to go anywhere to see how this can be defended, it'll be on here quite soon - I promise. It's an amazing gift you have to be able to look at 2 groups of people having a drink and decide one is a work event and one is a party but crack on working yourself into a frenzy.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2022 19:24:47 GMT
The good news is you don't have to go anywhere to see how this can be defended, it'll be on here quite soon - I promise. It's an amazing gift you have to be able to look at 2 groups of people having a drink and decide one is a work event and one is a party but crack on working yourself into a frenzy. LOL
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2022 19:27:09 GMT
Oops.....
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Post by oggyoggy on May 23, 2022 19:31:22 GMT
If students average £50k of student debt at uni, and have to pay 12% interest, that’s £6k of interest a year. Someone on £30k fresh out of uni can never afford the interest. The debt will just get bigger and bigger and never come down until they earn a lot more. Meanwhile, a significant part of their salary has to be spent each month to pay only the interest back. They cannot afford that. How can they try to rent somewhere to live, or raise a deposit on a home? It is an awful position to be in. So yes, my kids could take on massive debts to go to uni. But it’s not worth it under the current student loans system. Rich people, by that I mean people with savings, with spare capital, second home owners etc, can just pay for their kids at uni. Their kids can then more easily save for a deposit on a home when then graduate as they aren’t riddled with debt. The current student loan system with very high interest reduces social mobility as it makes any student with student debt in a much worse financial position than the child with rich parents. My solution would level up. So university becomes increasingly unaffordable for the poor. But I have made these points continually already and you disagree so let’s not take it further. You don't understand how it works each year the interest rate changes by cpi +3% this year because inflation is so high the interest rate is 12% next year it wont be. Someone fresh out of uni on 30k would pay 9% of their salary above 27k, that is 9% of 3k or £270 or £22.50 a month they would repay, thats not a significant part of their salary not sure how anyone could misunderstand this so badly.... As for rich parents I know of none that pay their kids fees, if they have that much spare cash its more efficient to buy a house / flat for their kids to use whilst at uni and then sell it when they leave, saving on rent and getting some capital appreciation. So for how many years will they be repaying this debt? As their income increases, they pay increasingly large sums back each month. It is still money from the pockets Of course rich parents have not always paid off tuition fees whilst inflation was next to nothing because it was such a cheap debt (this issue comes up continually in my job). But when the rate will be 12% and may well go higher, the student loan suddenly becomes closer to a wonga loan, and very, very expensive. Anyway, bigger issues are now back on the agenda, such as photographic proof Johnson is a liar and now must resign.
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Post by partickpotter on May 23, 2022 19:38:25 GMT
You don't understand how it works each year the interest rate changes by cpi +3% this year because inflation is so high the interest rate is 12% next year it wont be. Someone fresh out of uni on 30k would pay 9% of their salary above 27k, that is 9% of 3k or £270 or £22.50 a month they would repay, thats not a significant part of their salary not sure how anyone could misunderstand this so badly.... As for rich parents I know of none that pay their kids fees, if they have that much spare cash its more efficient to buy a house / flat for their kids to use whilst at uni and then sell it when they leave, saving on rent and getting some capital appreciation. So for how many years will they be repaying this debt? As their income increases, they pay increasingly large sums back each month. It is still money from the pockets Of course rich parents have not always paid off tuition fees whilst inflation was next to nothing because it was such a cheap debt (this issue comes up continually in my job). But when the rate will be 12% and may well go higher, the student loan suddenly becomes closer to a wonga loan, and very, very expensive. Anyway, bigger issues are now back on the agenda, such as photographic proof Johnson is a liar and now must resign. Boris having a wee swally and telling porkies is more important than our children’s education and future prosperity. Are you serious? In my world, nothing is more important than my kids.
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 19:41:11 GMT
You don't understand how it works each year the interest rate changes by cpi +3% this year because inflation is so high the interest rate is 12% next year it wont be. Someone fresh out of uni on 30k would pay 9% of their salary above 27k, that is 9% of 3k or £270 or £22.50 a month they would repay, thats not a significant part of their salary not sure how anyone could misunderstand this so badly.... As for rich parents I know of none that pay their kids fees, if they have that much spare cash its more efficient to buy a house / flat for their kids to use whilst at uni and then sell it when they leave, saving on rent and getting some capital appreciation. So for how many years will they be repaying this debt? As their income increases, they pay increasingly large sums back each month. It is still money from the pockets Of course rich parents have not always paid off tuition fees whilst inflation was next to nothing because it was such a cheap debt (this issue comes up continually in my job). But when the rate will be 12% and may well go higher, the student loan suddenly becomes closer to a wonga loan, and very, very expensive. Anyway, bigger issues are now back on the agenda, such as photographic proof Johnson is a liar and now must resign. 30 years pay attention and the interest rate is irrelevant how much you earn is the key part that determines repayments.... So the rules are Boris must resign despite the police issuing no FPN but Keith only has to resign if he gets a FPN yeah ok, all the stop brexit loons are howling at the moon again.....
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 23, 2022 19:43:09 GMT
You naughty boy FYD letting truth destroy essexboy's personal crusade.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2022 19:43:42 GMT
So for how many years will they be repaying this debt? As their income increases, they pay increasingly large sums back each month. It is still money from the pockets Of course rich parents have not always paid off tuition fees whilst inflation was next to nothing because it was such a cheap debt (this issue comes up continually in my job). But when the rate will be 12% and may well go higher, the student loan suddenly becomes closer to a wonga loan, and very, very expensive. Anyway, bigger issues are now back on the agenda, such as photographic proof Johnson is a liar and now must resign. 30 years pay attention and the interest rate is irrelevant how much you earn is the key part that determines repayments.... So the rules are Boris must resign despite the police issuing no FPN but Keith only has to resign if he gets a FPN yeah ok, all the stop brexit loons are howling at the moon again..... LOL!!!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2022 19:51:34 GMT
i don't know how anyone can defend him. the warning signs were there. Sacked for lying TWICE as a journalist. The good news is you don't have to go anywhere to see how this can be defended, it'll be on here quite soon - I promise. You weren't wrong.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 23, 2022 19:57:56 GMT
So for how many years will they be repaying this debt? As their income increases, they pay increasingly large sums back each month. It is still money from the pockets Of course rich parents have not always paid off tuition fees whilst inflation was next to nothing because it was such a cheap debt (this issue comes up continually in my job). But when the rate will be 12% and may well go higher, the student loan suddenly becomes closer to a wonga loan, and very, very expensive. Anyway, bigger issues are now back on the agenda, such as photographic proof Johnson is a liar and now must resign. 30 years pay attention and the interest rate is irrelevant how much you earn is the key part that determines repayments.... So the rules are Boris must resign despite the police issuing no FPN but Keith only has to resign if he gets a FPN yeah ok, all the stop brexit loons are howling at the moon again..... There are no rules- the person who made the rules ignored the rules, and the apologists are laughing at those who thought it mattered.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2022 20:05:38 GMT
30 years pay attention and the interest rate is irrelevant how much you earn is the key part that determines repayments.... So the rules are Boris must resign despite the police issuing no FPN but Keith only has to resign if he gets a FPN yeah ok, all the stop brexit loons are howling at the moon again..... There are no rules- the person who made the rules ignored the rules, and the apologists are laughing at those who thought it mattered. Which is presumably how politics will now be conducted. New low standards of behaviour appear to be the norm. It'll be funny while it's the "correct" side getting away with it, right up to the point it starts to affect those doing the laughing, as it probably will eventually. In due course, we should all remember where it all started...with the first PM in British history to be convicted in office who just said fuck it and carried on anyway, like he always has done.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 23, 2022 20:08:36 GMT
The good news is you don't have to go anywhere to see how this can be defended, it'll be on here quite soon - I promise. It's an amazing gift you have to be able to look at 2 groups of people having a drink and decide one is a work event and one is a party but crack on working yourself into a frenzy. You’re not even trying now, don’t let them wear you down. Maybe we could say that the bottles were filled with water blessed by the Pope and they were testing a coronavirus remedy?
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Post by prettything on May 23, 2022 20:22:08 GMT
The current system does indeed allow any kid to go to university, question is will they be willing to be saddled with a 50k debt at the age of 21? My guess is less and less kids from a lower family earning bracket, will decide not to go down the higher education route. They will also be less inclined to pick the arts, which will then be a pursuit only the most privileged will undertake. (It’s already happened in drama schools) If its explained to them properly it won't make any difference to them, the current system has been in place for many years and I believe the mobility in England is higher for poorer kids than in Scotland where its free. It’s been in place for over 20 years, along with the increasing price of the fees. We now have the highest tuition fees in the world. The HIGHEST! If you think that’s fair on our poor then I don’t know what else to say to you .
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 20:22:42 GMT
It's an amazing gift you have to be able to look at 2 groups of people having a drink and decide one is a work event and one is a party but crack on working yourself into a frenzy. You’re not even trying now, don’t let them wear you down. Maybe we could say that the bottles were filled with water blessed by the Pope and they were testing a coronavirus remedy? I don't need to try the police looked into and choose not to issue a FPN, last time I checked alcohol was never prohibited in any of the regulations or otherwise we'd have 60 pages somewhere on Sir Beer Starmer. Like I say all the anti brexit loons are behind this huddys mate will have another losing crowdfund incoming sometime soon.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 23, 2022 20:29:02 GMT
Grant Shapps in the morning anyone? I hope it's Dorries. She's even worse than Zahawi. It could be genuinely awe-inspiringly awful. I still hold out some hope with Zahawi. Yes I know stables, gas companies etc... but he does at least look like he knows what he's doing. (I also held out longer with Raab than most based on his Bill Browder feedback) Dorries is love struck, bless. It's got to be Shapps.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2022 20:30:30 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 23, 2022 20:31:39 GMT
So for how many years will they be repaying this debt? As their income increases, they pay increasingly large sums back each month. It is still money from the pockets Of course rich parents have not always paid off tuition fees whilst inflation was next to nothing because it was such a cheap debt (this issue comes up continually in my job). But when the rate will be 12% and may well go higher, the student loan suddenly becomes closer to a wonga loan, and very, very expensive. Anyway, bigger issues are now back on the agenda, such as photographic proof Johnson is a liar and now must resign. 30 years pay attention and the interest rate is irrelevant how much you earn is the key part that determines repayments.... So the rules are Boris must resign despite the police issuing no FPN but Keith only has to resign if he gets a FPN yeah ok, all the stop brexit loons are howling at the moon again..... You may be nuts, but at least you're consistent. Ooooowwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooo 🌙
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 23, 2022 20:32:11 GMT
You’re not even trying now, don’t let them wear you down. Maybe we could say that the bottles were filled with water blessed by the Pope and they were testing a coronavirus remedy? I don't need to try the police looked into and choose not to issue a FPN, last time I checked alcohol was never prohibited in any of the regulations or otherwise we'd have 60 pages somewhere on Sir Beer Starmer. Like I say all the anti brexit loons are behind this huddys mate will have another losing crowdfund incoming sometime soon. You do understand that a number of people in that photo were issued with fines don't you? And Johnson wasn't?
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 20:39:20 GMT
If its explained to them properly it won't make any difference to them, the current system has been in place for many years and I believe the mobility in England is higher for poorer kids than in Scotland where its free. It’s been in place for over 20 years, along with the increasing price of the fees. We now have the highest tuition fees in the world. The HIGHEST! If you think that’s fair on our poor then I don’t know what else to say to you . Again being poor or rich is not really relevant its the salary you earn that determines how much you repay as for being fair as I've said before I'd happily have some sort of graduate tax for people like me who got free tuition fees if that went to reducing the fees.
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Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2022 21:20:43 GMT
Oh look another thing no one cared about at the time......
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 23, 2022 21:29:14 GMT
Oh look another thing no one cared about at the time...... Perhaps those that said last goodbyes to loved ones through windows, on I-pads or not at all, don't read diary pieces in the Times or perhaps you think that those who feel cheated and let down are manufacturing their anger and upset. Also I don't remember any journalist, mentioning that these 'work events' looked like they took place in Oliver Reed's kitchen. Your mate Dan is not buying his shit.
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Post by essexstokey on May 23, 2022 21:32:30 GMT
no shit sherlock
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Post by essexstokey on May 23, 2022 21:37:48 GMT
What’s the betting that there is probably a Tory link to this company somehow ? The PR firm that Rishi has spunked £500,000 of public money on to improve his own image, is David Cameron's best mate's firm.
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