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Post by cobhamstokey on May 6, 2022 17:12:00 GMT
Is there any evidence that either of them were "half cut"? I withdraw "half cut" although I'm making a point that people in public office should not be drinking on the job. There is a picture with Starmer drinking and the rumours are that Sue Gray has been given many pictures with Johnson doing the same. It's wrong. I understand that I'm in an almost non existent minority but you should not drink at work. If it's deemed not to be safe driving a car then you shouldn't be making decisions that impact the lives of the public. If they're not working then it's a party. The reason that politics is an absolute state and people say they're all the same is because of things like this. You are spot on.
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Post by essexstokey on May 7, 2022 5:54:08 GMT
490 😁😁😁
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Post by partickpotter on May 7, 2022 6:29:33 GMT
What do you think will give the Tories the biggest concern following these elections? What do you think will give the Tories the biggest encouragement? Yes… this is a test of your critical faculties. Surprise me.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 7, 2022 7:29:54 GMT
What’s happening on here then? Haven’t been on much these last few weeks
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 7, 2022 7:53:07 GMT
What do you think will give the Tories the biggest concern following these elections? The Conservative and Unionist Party has presided over the start of an irrevocable break up of the Union?
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Post by partickpotter on May 7, 2022 17:20:06 GMT
What do you think will give the Tories the biggest concern following these elections? The Conservative and Unionist Party has presided over the start of an irrevocable break up of the Union? That’s a pretty good answer to the first question. I note that Essex boy liked your answer but couldn’t manage one of his own. Over to you Essex. Answer both questions mind. Here’s a hint… you will need to use your brain. For most people that is the organ located in the skull behind the eyes.
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Post by essexstokey on May 7, 2022 21:19:46 GMT
The Conservative and Unionist Party has presided over the start of an irrevocable break up of the Union? That’s a pretty good answer to the first question. I note that Essex boy liked your answer but couldn’t manage one of his own. Over to you Essex. Answer both questions mind. Here’s a hint… you will need to use your brain. For most people that is the organ located in the skull behind the eyes. Insults insults insults is that all you have typical Tory But I'll answer biggest challenge for the Tories is you have a lying law breaking idiot in charge that is ripping the Tories apart you have blue on blue action You have an aging membership and reducing membership that gives your party major campaigning problems You are an elitist party and you are being found out by the public big time and corruption is synonymous with the Tory party That enough challenges for you Biggest encouragement is by allowing the break up of the union they might hold on to power in England
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Post by followyoudown on May 7, 2022 21:34:30 GMT
That’s a pretty good answer to the first question. I note that Essex boy liked your answer but couldn’t manage one of his own. Over to you Essex. Answer both questions mind. Here’s a hint… you will need to use your brain. For most people that is the organ located in the skull behind the eyes. Insults insults insults is that all you have typical Tory But I'll answer biggest challenge for the Tories is you have a lying law breaking idiot in charge that is ripping the Tories apart you have blue on blue action You have an aging membership and reducing membership that gives your party major campaigning problems You are an elitist party and you are being found out by the public big time and corruption is synonymous with the Tory party That enough challenges for you Biggest encouragement is by allowing the break up of the union they might hold on to power in England These might or might not be good points but as partick isn't by any definition a Tory it just makes you look thicker than a whale omlette to respond as if he is. The funny thing is that everything you wrote applies to Labour except they have been involved in real corruption not just the imagined stuff you come up with.
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Post by essexstokey on May 7, 2022 22:49:46 GMT
Insults insults insults is that all you have typical Tory But I'll answer biggest challenge for the Tories is you have a lying law breaking idiot in charge that is ripping the Tories apart you have blue on blue action You have an aging membership and reducing membership that gives your party major campaigning problems You are an elitist party and you are being found out by the public big time and corruption is synonymous with the Tory party That enough challenges for you Biggest encouragement is by allowing the break up of the union they might hold on to power in England These might or might not be good points but as partick isn't by any definition a Tory it just makes you look thicker than a whale omlette to respond as if he is. The funny thing is that everything you wrote applies to Labour except they have been involved in real corruption not just the imagined stuff you come up with. Laws broken centre of police investigation into ppe contracts 3 billion plus written off in fraud numerous court case losses mps convictions the most breaches of covid in the UK first PM for decades to break the law etc etc Now give me the labour breaches you claim
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2022 0:05:33 GMT
I’m not debating that but it shouldn’t make it OK for the Labour party to do the same. As all said and done didn’t they support the rules. You do understand that the rules had changed at that point and that no rules were broken? Is this still the case because the media seem to be jumping all over it now?
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Post by partickpotter on May 8, 2022 2:06:49 GMT
Insults insults insults is that all you have typical Tory But I'll answer biggest challenge for the Tories is you have a lying law breaking idiot in charge that is ripping the Tories apart you have blue on blue action You have an aging membership and reducing membership that gives your party major campaigning problems You are an elitist party and you are being found out by the public big time and corruption is synonymous with the Tory party That enough challenges for you Biggest encouragement is by allowing the break up of the union they might hold on to power in England These might or might not be good points but as partick isn't by any definition a Tory it just makes you look thicker than a whale omlette to respond as if he is. The funny thing is that everything you wrote applies to Labour except they have been involved in real corruption not just the imagined stuff you come up with. Very true. I don’t follow any political party. The challenges (I actually said concerns which is a slightly different thing) are fair enough, and the easiest for a critic to put together. I agree on the first and third points though.The second less so. The biggest encouragement (not opportunity) is harder for a critic to produce (particularly one with a very small brain) and is very unconvincing in so much as Johnson has stated he isn’t going to give one in this Parliament, Sturgeon doesn’t particularly want one (despite her sabre rattling) and the Scottish people still favour remaining in the union (despite the SNPs electoral success they haven’t nudged the dial on independence opinion since 2014). That said, what the Tories will take as their biggest encouragement is very important for Labour to understand (Sun Tsu et al). And there is no doubt what the Tories will see as their biggest encouragement… the fact Labour didn’t make much headway in England beyond London. The Tories don’t have many London seats these days so don’t have much to lose. Outside London is where they will lose the next election, and where Labour need to win. This is what Labour strategists will be focussing on.
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 7:19:36 GMT
You do understand that the rules had changed at that point and that no rules were broken? Is this still the case because the media seem to be jumping all over it now? It was never the case hence all the genuine mistakes Labour making Ange wasn't there oh she was just a mistake, it was an impromptu meal break oh the memo says it was planned weeks in advance oops another mistake, Starmer says he stopped working to eat then carried on working afterwards, eye witness says thats another genuine mistake no work afterwards, starmer says hotel didnt do food and pubs / restaurants closed another mistake. Compare to cakegate where no 10 briefed out what happened the times reported it and no one cared for 18 months.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 8, 2022 7:27:19 GMT
Is this still the case because the media seem to be jumping all over it now? It was never the case hence all the genuine mistakes Labour making Ange wasn't there oh she was just a mistake, it was an impromptu meal break oh the memo says it was planned weeks in advance oops another mistake, Starmer says he stopped working to eat then carried on working afterwards, eye witness says thats another genuine mistake no work afterwards, starmer says hotel didnt do food and pubs / restaurants closed another mistake. Compare to cakegate where no 10 briefed out what happened the times reported it and no one cared for 18 months. Seems fairly obvious that they should all resign. But, as I said, once a precedent is set that even law-breaking isn't a resigning matter, pretty much anything goes now by any MP. Owen Paterson must be wondering why he gave in so easily. Johnson and Sunak have set a dangerous and troubling precedent.
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 7:36:08 GMT
These might or might not be good points but as partick isn't by any definition a Tory it just makes you look thicker than a whale omlette to respond as if he is. The funny thing is that everything you wrote applies to Labour except they have been involved in real corruption not just the imagined stuff you come up with. Laws broken centre of police investigation into ppe contracts 3 billion plus written off in fraud numerous court case losses mps convictions the most breaches of covid in the UK first PM for decades to break the law etc etc Now give me the labour breaches you claim Centre of policd investigation into ppe what nonsense, national audit office has reviewed every contract and found nothing untoward, a company linked to a tory peer is being investigated / prosecuted for failing to return money for goods they did provide - as I've said many times any person found to have defrauded the taxpayer should be pursued to the full extent of the law and by the way you plumb if it was the government who reported this company to the police who do you think it was the tooth fairy ? I sense there is no point trying to explain accounting to you but just because accounting rules require you to recogniss it is unlikely you will recover all of a debt it doesn't mean you stop trying to get it back...... Court cases losses all on spurious technical minor details solely designed to appeal to fools like you all at the same time as making a nice little living. As for MPs Claudia Webb, the mp from peterboro, o'mara pretty and many many more, meanwhile croydon, slough councils bankrupt, nottingham council lost 100ms on a failed energy company, liverpool council a virtual banana republic where the former mayor and associates are in actual big boys court for actual real allegations of corruption and fraud an another invedtigation kicked off into missing millions re the unite hotel scandal who were not only the biggest funderd of labour but had a say in policy under jezza.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2022 7:40:57 GMT
Is this still the case because the media seem to be jumping all over it now? It was never the case hence all the genuine mistakes Labour making Ange wasn't there oh she was just a mistake, it was an impromptu meal break oh the memo says it was planned weeks in advance oops another mistake, Starmer says he stopped working to eat then carried on working afterwards, eye witness says thats another genuine mistake no work afterwards, starmer says hotel didnt do food and pubs / restaurants closed another mistake. Compare to cakegate where no 10 briefed out what happened the times reported it and no one cared for 18 months. Who knows what will happen with the investigation but one things for sure neither Johnson or Starmer have come out of this well and have demonstrated why this countries in such a mess as no one can be trusted to be honest. With trial by media as it is you need to be pretty sure around your ethics if you’re going to be in charge of a country / head of opposition because if you have done something wrong you can be guaranteed it’ll come out and blown up to hysteria. If both were to resign you can be pretty sure that there replacements will have a skeleton in there cupboard or would have breached at some point. Those involved should not get away from there discretions but there’s a bigger force at play here dictating how the countries people should be feeling / what they should be doing whether it’s covid, politics, the royal family or the law. Step forwards the media. We’re almost beginning to lose the ability to think for ourselves now such is the influence of social media in particular.
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Post by partickpotter on May 8, 2022 7:52:45 GMT
Laws broken centre of police investigation into ppe contracts 3 billion plus written off in fraud numerous court case losses mps convictions the most breaches of covid in the UK first PM for decades to break the law etc etc Now give me the labour breaches you claim Centre of policd investigation into ppe what nonsense, national audit office has reviewed every contract and found nothing untoward, a company linked to a tory peer is being investigated / prosecuted for failing to return money for goods they did provide - as I've said many times any person found to have defrauded the taxpayer should be pursued to the full extent of the law and by the way you plumb if it was the government who reported this company to the police who do you think it was the tooth fairy ? I sense there is no point trying to explain accounting to you but just because accounting rules require you to recogniss it is unlikely you will recover all of a debt it doesn't mean you stop trying to get it back...... Court cases losses all on spurious technical minor details solely designed to appeal to fools like you all at the same time as making a nice little living. As for MPs Claudia Webb, the mp from peterboro, o'mara pretty and many many more, meanwhile croydon, slough councils bankrupt, nottingham council lost 100ms on a failed energy company, liverpool council a virtual banana republic where the former mayor and associates are in actual big boys court for actual real allegations of corruption and fraud an another invedtigation kicked off into missing millions re the unite hotel scandal who were not only the biggest funderd of labour but had a say in policy under jezza. Be careful in your engagements with Essex. His appalling spelling and general incoherence looks like it might be contagious based on your above response to him.
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Post by elystokie on May 8, 2022 8:37:43 GMT
Centre of policd investigation into ppe what nonsense, national audit office has reviewed every contract and found nothing untoward, a company linked to a tory peer is being investigated / prosecuted for failing to return money for goods they did provide - as I've said many times any person found to have defrauded the taxpayer should be pursued to the full extent of the law and by the way you plumb if it was the government who reported this company to the police who do you think it was the tooth fairy ? I sense there is no point trying to explain accounting to you but just because accounting rules require you to recogniss it is unlikely you will recover all of a debt it doesn't mean you stop trying to get it back...... Court cases losses all on spurious technical minor details solely designed to appeal to fools like you all at the same time as making a nice little living. As for MPs Claudia Webb, the mp from peterboro, o'mara pretty and many many more, meanwhile croydon, slough councils bankrupt, nottingham council lost 100ms on a failed energy company, liverpool council a virtual banana republic where the former mayor and associates are in actual big boys court for actual real allegations of corruption and fraud an another invedtigation kicked off into missing millions re the unite hotel scandal who were not only the biggest funderd of labour but had a say in policy under jezza. Be careful in your engagements with Essex. His appalling spelling and general incoherence looks like it might be contagious based on your above response to him. Quite an amusing start to the day to be fair He'll probably claim later it was intended
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 9:24:13 GMT
Centre of policd investigation into ppe what nonsense, national audit office has reviewed every contract and found nothing untoward, a company linked to a tory peer is being investigated / prosecuted for failing to return money for goods they did provide - as I've said many times any person found to have defrauded the taxpayer should be pursued to the full extent of the law and by the way you plumb if it was the government who reported this company to the police who do you think it was the tooth fairy ? I sense there is no point trying to explain accounting to you but just because accounting rules require you to recogniss it is unlikely you will recover all of a debt it doesn't mean you stop trying to get it back...... Court cases losses all on spurious technical minor details solely designed to appeal to fools like you all at the same time as making a nice little living. As for MPs Claudia Webb, the mp from peterboro, o'mara pretty and many many more, meanwhile croydon, slough councils bankrupt, nottingham council lost 100ms on a failed energy company, liverpool council a virtual banana republic where the former mayor and associates are in actual big boys court for actual real allegations of corruption and fraud an another invedtigation kicked off into missing millions re the unite hotel scandal who were not only the biggest funderd of labour but had a say in policy under jezza. Be careful in your engagements with Essex. His appalling spelling and general incoherence looks like it might be contagious based on your above response to him. Jeez I did have a bit of a shocker there I could make some joke about typing it in essenglish but I was just rush typing while my two dogs were bouncing around and on me waiting to go for their morning walk and what a lovely day it looks like being too.
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Post by essexstokey on May 8, 2022 9:44:29 GMT
You do understand that the rules had changed at that point and that no rules were broken? Is this still the case because the media seem to be jumping all over it now? Yep Tory press jumpin all over it I wonder why
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2022 11:09:26 GMT
Is this still the case because the media seem to be jumping all over it now? Yep Tory press jumpin all over it I wonder why nothing in it then?
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Post by essexstokey on May 9, 2022 16:45:27 GMT
Pension warning as Rishi Sunak to harvest £6billion from even ‘modest' savers link
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 10, 2022 6:51:40 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on May 10, 2022 8:43:27 GMT
The Queen’s Speech looks like it is full of vacuous and pointless bills to enflame culture wars. Where’s the help to struggling families?
Oh no, no time for that. Instead, the government and the civil service are going to amend all of our legislation where required to make it identical to what it currently is, but so that the law is derived from our own law rather than from retained EU law. The law won’t actually change though save for in very particular instances.
This will take many years to complete and cost the tax payer many billions of pounds of resources that could have been spent helping families with the cost of living crisis. Government lawyers, like my wife, are saying it is the biggest waste of time. Obviously where we want to change the law, we need to then make changes, but where we do not plan to do so it is pointless. It is a PR stunt to try and make some brexit headlines once more.
Meanwhile normal people worry about the cost of petrol and energy and food and housing. But the government obviously don’t care.
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Post by followyoudown on May 10, 2022 8:47:40 GMT
Pension warning as Rishi Sunak to harvest £6billion from even ‘modest' savers linkWon't someone think of the people with over £1 million pounds saved in their pension pot.........
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Post by essexstokey on May 10, 2022 10:58:59 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2022 11:12:06 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 10, 2022 13:30:36 GMT
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Post by foster on May 10, 2022 16:48:52 GMT
Boris and Kerr are not even comparable.
Waste of time debating the two entirely different situations.
If Kerr goes then Boris goes. If kerr stays then Boris also goes.
.....Boris won't go though because he's a corrupt mother fucker.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 11, 2022 8:38:01 GMT
WTAF is going on here?
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Post by foster on May 11, 2022 8:49:23 GMT
Is that actually real or edited?
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