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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 8:22:13 GMT
True. They only defect to parties where their is the best chance of re election. It's not about principles it's about preserving the 90 odd grand a year plus exes Well it's the 64th safest Tory seat and currently predicted to remain Tory, so either he is expecting things to be far worse for the Tories than predicted, or he is actually acting on principle www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/orderedseats.htmlIsn't he going back to full time doctoring after this parliament anyway? The Labour candidate in this constituency won't be him.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 28, 2024 8:30:48 GMT
Generic just admitted last 2 years fdp per capi8ta has decreased damming admission of the mere failure
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Apr 28, 2024 9:26:20 GMT
Well it's the 64th safest Tory seat and currently predicted to remain Tory, so either he is expecting things to be far worse for the Tories than predicted, or he is actually acting on principle www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/orderedseats.htmlIsn't he going back to full time doctoring after this parliament anyway? The Labour candidate in this constituency won't be him. Yes, I hadn't seen the full story when I posted - had just heard it was a safe Tory seat .
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Post by gawa on Apr 28, 2024 15:49:25 GMT
Well it's the 64th safest Tory seat and currently predicted to remain Tory, so either he is expecting things to be far worse for the Tories than predicted, or he is actually acting on principle www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/orderedseats.htmlIsn't he going back to full time doctoring after this parliament anyway? The Labour candidate in this constituency won't be him. Makes it all the stranger doesn't it? A tory doctor mp with links to private health care who doesn't intend to stand at the next election defecting to labour. Why not just stand down quietly and exit politics? Seems to be because "he envisages a role advising the Labour party on its policies on mental health while focusing more on his NHS work." At least we know where the buck stops for Dan and he stands up to say enough is enough. Only 14 years of austerity, corruption, crumbling services and a failing nhs before he stands up to say enough is enough. Wonder what he sees in Labour?
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Post by wannabee on Apr 28, 2024 16:08:10 GMT
Generic just admitted last 2 years fdp per capi8ta has decreased damming admission of the mere failure To be fair it's far easier to convince Robert Jenrick than Mr Coke about declining GDP He does make a valid point that appears completely lost on Rishi " Last year, there were about 30,000 illegal small boat arrivals, but this was dwarfed by the 1.2 million people who arrived here perfectly legally"In another blow to Brexit Jenrick seems more concerned about "the wrong type of migrants" "For instance, our report reveals that a migrant from Poland is 50 per cent more likely to be in work than a migrant from Somalia or Bangladesh. This is cause for concern not least because, since leaving the EU, we’ve seen migration from Europe radically decrease and an enormous increase in non-EU migration"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/27/dangerous-myth-mass-migration-is-good-for-economy/
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 28, 2024 21:17:14 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 28, 2024 21:18:58 GMT
There’s a Last Death Row Meal thread going on if you’re annoyed about politics mate👍🏻
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Post by wannabee on Apr 28, 2024 22:23:51 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that Rishi Sunak a Very Wealthy, Vertically Challenged Man is unable to find a pair of trousers to fit him?
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 29, 2024 6:34:29 GMT
Absolutely discusting not only do this bunch of cruel parasites in it for themselves there continually attacking the disabledbled not only do they provide no help there now attacking there benefits www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50woGet these cruel parasites out now No wonder the mp joined labour
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 29, 2024 6:40:02 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that Rishi Sunak a Very Wealthy, Vertically Challenged Man is unable to find a pair of trousers to fit him? He doesn't give a shit about anything he's probably practicing wearing shorts when he's abroad living the high life on his ill gotten gains
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Post by 828492 on Apr 29, 2024 7:12:54 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that Rishi Sunak a Very Wealthy, Vertically Challenged Man is unable to find a pair of trousers to fit him? It is to make him look bigger than he is. People see that his suit is too small, assume the suit is full size, and so assume he must be larger than he is. But he may just buy child-sized suits to avoid paying VAT.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 29, 2024 7:43:55 GMT
Anyone want to defend Labour and the tories on this? No
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 29, 2024 9:46:31 GMT
Anyone want to defend Labour and the tories on this? It not a question of defending Labour or the Tories, isn't a fact of life. There has been a record wet winter: news.sky.com/story/england-soaked-by-record-rainfall-in-last-18-months-new-met-office-figures-show-13106645#:~:text=According%20to%20provisional%20figures%20from,comparable%20data%20back%20in%201836 This is on top of a record 3 years ago. Farmers fields are flooded caused record amounts of animal waste, fertilisers, pesticides, etc. to enter water courses. Sewage farms are overloaded and unable to cope. Treatment of sewage is only a relatively modern thing and still not practised in many countries. The Victorians started it in our cities, but in the 1950s it was still the normal for all coastal towns to pump sewage out to sea and you did not bathe when the tide was coming in. The first real attempts to start to clean up rivers began with the Acts in the 1950s to control river pollution and air pollution. These were primarily aimed at industry. Further progress was made in the 1970s with the EPA and formation of the EA from the river and local authorities who were the controlling authorities. Legislation further increased in the 1980s by the EEC. The decline in heavy industry meant our rivers got cleaner very quickly. But, the rapid growth of intensive farming, driven by the CAP, and the rapid growth of vehicles and motorway, and the expansion of towns have all led to an increased load on drains and water courses. Water companies have not kept pace with the increased load and the change in weather has caused the creaking overloaded systems to fail. Another reason for increased pollution incidents is there is far more monitoring now than there used to be. Automatic sampling, analysis, computerisation and Internet means there is far better gathering of data. River pollution was generally improving up to 2020 but the wet weather has overloaded the systems. environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2020/10/02/the-state-of-our-waters-the-facts/
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 29, 2024 10:05:08 GMT
Anyone want to defend Labour and the tories on this? The void between Labour and Tory grows by the day 😂. With the SNP now in further disarray, Starmer’s huge win by default seems quite a decent bet.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 29, 2024 10:37:30 GMT
Anyone want to defend Labour and the tories on this? It not a question of defending Labour or the Tories, isn't a fact of life. There has been a record wet winter: news.sky.com/story/england-soaked-by-record-rainfall-in-last-18-months-new-met-office-figures-show-13106645#:~:text=According%20to%20provisional%20figures%20from,comparable%20data%20back%20in%201836 This is on top of a record 3 years ago. Farmers fields are flooded caused record amounts of animal waste, fertilisers, pesticides, etc. to enter water courses. Sewage farms are overloaded and unable to cope. Treatment of sewage is only a relatively modern thing and still not practised in many countries. The Victorians started it in our cities, but in the 1950s it was still the normal for all coastal towns to pump sewage out to sea and you did not bathe when the tide was coming in. The first real attempts to start to clean up rivers began with the Acts in the 1950s to control river pollution and air pollution. These were primarily aimed at industry. Further progress was made in the 1970s with the EPA and formation of the EA from the river and local authorities who were the controlling authorities. Legislation further increased in the 1980s by the EEC. The decline in heavy industry meant our rivers got cleaner very quickly. But, the rapid growth of intensive farming, driven by the CAP, and the rapid growth of vehicles and motorway, and the expansion of towns have all led to an increased load on drains and water courses. Water companies have not kept pace with the increased load and the change in weather has caused the creaking overloaded systems to fail. Another reason for increased pollution incidents is there is far more monitoring now than there used to be. Automatic sampling, analysis, computerisation and Internet means there is far better gathering of data. River pollution was generally improving up to 2020 but the wet weather has overloaded the systems. environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2020/10/02/the-state-of-our-waters-the-facts/You're missing the point, pollution in UK Rivers and Seas is getting worse because Water Companies are not investing in the infrastructure to upgrade antiquated piping You offer excessive rain as s Catch 22 explanation .The Environment is warming which creates more moisture and as a result more rain, who knew. But don't worry there is an answer UK waters are too polluted to swim in – but European countries offer answers
Almost all of the UK’s waterways are polluted. In 2022, a House of Commons Committee report on the state of UK rivers concluded that no river in England was free from chemical contamination. Only 14% of UK rivers had a “good” ecological status.
A lack of investment in dated infrastructure means the capacity of many sewage pipes is regularly exceeded. So, to avoid sewage backing up and flooding public spaces and people’s homes, water companies often release sewage elsewhere through the combined sewer overflow network
The situation has not been helped by disruption to wastewater treatment chemical supplies following Brexit and the COVID-19 pandemic. The Environment Agency responded to these shortages by introducing temporary waivers in 2021, allowing water companies to temporarily release not-fully-treated effluents into the environment..
Within Europe, the UK’s polluted waterways are largely an anomaly. Many other countries have reported significant improvements in bathing water quality in recent decades – indeed, bathing is now possible in some capital cities including Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen and Vienna.
Between 1991 and 2019, the percentage of Europe’s bathing waters with “excellent” water quality increased from 53% to 85% (Refer back to the HoC Report of 14% "Good" in UK above) In several countries, including Austria, Greece and Malta, more than 95% of bathing sites are now classified as excellent.
For answers on how UK may begin to remediate read the full Article www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2023/april/uk-waters-too-polluted-to-swim/
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Post by gawa on Apr 29, 2024 12:05:34 GMT
Absolutely discusting not only do this bunch of cruel parasites in it for themselves there continually attacking the disabledbled not only do they provide no help there now attacking there benefits www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50woGet these cruel parasites out now No wonder the mp joined labour 2 cheeks of the same arse. Anyone on here on pip at a working age need to be very careful with their votes. Both labour and Tory are targeting the vulnerable at this election. And the wealth inequality continues to grow.
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Post by gawa on Apr 29, 2024 12:10:01 GMT
Is wet weather a new thing in the uk as of 2020? Why does the wet weather not result in the majority of beaches being filled with sewage in most of our neighbouring countries. Of course as you say there are some countries such as those in Africa who don't treat sewage. But is this how far we've fallen that we compare ourselves to the third world?
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 29, 2024 12:30:30 GMT
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Post by gawa on Apr 29, 2024 13:37:01 GMT
The climate in Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland is very similar with similar amounts of rainfall. Yet: Source - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-68649594So why does the rain north of the border result in rivers and lakes covered in sewage but rain south of the border doesn't? The reason I mentioned Africa was because you said this "Treatment of sewage is only a relatively modern thing and still not practised in many countries". I don't know of many developed nations without sewage treatment so only can presume you're comparing us to the third world. In terms of water companies in England: Source - www.libdems.org.uk/press/release/water-company-profits-almost-doubled-since-2019#:~:text=In%202022%2F2023%2C%20England's%20water,bn%20in%20pre%2Dtax%20profits. Yet the growth duty says: Source - www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/apr/24/tory-duty-on-ofwat-protects-profits-over-reducing-sewage-pollution-experts-sayAs you've once again decided to take the position to defend these companies who's pre tax profits have doubled in 5 years. I'd like to ask: - At which point do we not prioritise growth MrCoke? Do the private companies need to make 10 billion a year in pre tax profits for you to then say that regulation should come before growth? Or at which point do you think clean rivers, lakes and sea take more precedence over foreigners profiting from our polluted water? - Do you think profits should come before our health? I bring you to this particular part of text in the growth duty: So if a sea or river or lake is filled with sewage in a popular tourist location on a hot summers day. You think that it's ok that people in those waters aren't warned about the health risks because it may affect public confidence and hamper them from making more money? Or again at what quanitble value in profits (5 billion, 10 billion or 100 billions) should the publics health become a priority over foreign investors making money?
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Post by phileetin on Apr 29, 2024 13:59:21 GMT
Absolutely discusting not only do this bunch of cruel parasites in it for themselves there continually attacking the disabledbled not only do they provide no help there now attacking there benefits www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50woGet these cruel parasites out now No wonder the mp joined labour 2 cheeks of the same arse. Anyone on here on pip at a working age need to be very careful with their votes. Both labour and Tory are targeting the vulnerable at this election. And the wealth inequality continues to grow.
i receive pip .
and i work full time
and i've got cancer
and i think there are some lazy sods who milk the system
whats your problem
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Post by gawa on Apr 29, 2024 14:05:46 GMT
2 cheeks of the same arse. Anyone on here on pip at a working age need to be very careful with their votes. Both labour and Tory are targeting the vulnerable at this election. And the wealth inequality continues to grow.
i receive pip .
and i work full time
and i've got cancer
and i think there are some lazy sods who milk the system
whats your problem
My point is that Labour and Conservative are targeting the vulnerable rather than the tax dodging elite. So if you're a disabled person with pip who is incapable of working you should be careful where you vote.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 29, 2024 14:30:49 GMT
i receive pip . and i work full time
and i've got cancer and i think there are some lazy sods who milk the system
whats your problem
My point is that Labour and Conservative are targeting the vulnerable rather than the tax dodging elite. So if you're a disabled person with pip who is incapable of working you should be careful where you vote. Wow 😳 I had no idea the disparity was that huge! Makes you wonder why the owner's of certain media publications are ensuring said publications are constantly gaslighting the public about where the real issues 'lie'. What could they possibly have to gain? 🤔
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Post by phileetin on Apr 29, 2024 15:15:14 GMT
the latest pip beneficiary due to mental health issues www.dailWhat has happened today? If you're just joining us, here's a recap on today's events in Scotland where First Minister Humza Yousaf has resigned days after he terminated an agreement with the Scottish Greens, one-time coalition partners with the SNP.
sorry , they changed the headline , it previously referred to this
Here are the main takeaways: Mr Yousaf resigned as First Minister during an emotional address at Bute House in which he admitted he 'underestimated' the hurt and upset caused by his decision to scrap the Bute House agreement Watched on by his wife Nadia, the SNP leader appeared tearful as he thanked his family for their support during his premiership which he indicated had taken a toll on his physical and mental health He said he would remain First Minister until the SNP chooses his replacement with Nicola Sturgeon's former deputy John Swinney and former leadership rival Kate Forbes touted as early frontrunners. Mrs Sturgeon said Mr Yousaf had handled himself with 'grace and dignity' while another former first minister Alex Salmond suggested he was made to quit as a result of 'forces within his own party'. Keir Starmer led Labour calls for a general election as he said the Scottish Parliament is in 'absolute chaos'.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 29, 2024 15:26:11 GMT
2 cheeks of the same arse. Anyone on here on pip at a working age need to be very careful with their votes. Both labour and Tory are targeting the vulnerable at this election. And the wealth inequality continues to grow.
i receive pip .
and i work full time
and i've got cancer
and i think there are some lazy sods who milk the system
whats your problem
Sorry to hear about your cancer. Hope you make a full recovery!
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Post by phileetin on Apr 29, 2024 15:31:02 GMT
you've lumped tax avoidance into those wild estimates as well
can you imagine how a large percentage of that could potentially include paying additional pension contributions ?
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Post by gawa on Apr 29, 2024 16:37:26 GMT
My point is that Labour and Conservative are targeting the vulnerable rather than the tax dodging elite. So if you're a disabled person with pip who is incapable of working you should be careful where you vote. Wow 😳 I had no idea the disparity was that huge! Makes you wonder why the owner's of certain media publications are ensuring said publications are constantly gaslighting the public about where the real issues 'lie'. What could they possibly have to gain? 🤔 Apparently so although it does include tax avoidance in the graph which is effectively legal tax evasion through the use of loopholes. None the less though its something which could be cracked down on to bring in more tax.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 29, 2024 17:15:57 GMT
2 cheeks of the same arse. Anyone on here on pip at a working age need to be very careful with their votes. Both labour and Tory are targeting the vulnerable at this election. And the wealth inequality continues to grow. i receive pip . and i work full time
and i've got cancer and i think there are some lazy sods who milk the system
whats your problem
I get pip have a leg amputations d acknowledge proble. Can't stand or w ork for more than 10 min Get mo help from council even though they have assessed and promised I have bought everything myself from pip The max pip is not what the gov say but we'll under 1000 It enables me to shop online etc To walk 100m to the bus stop takes ages and am exhausted by the end I'm telling you all the not for comments but to tell you how vital it is its not just given out and there is a lengthy assessment process And there are far worse than me that are treated appallingly This corrupt government is more interested in hitting the disabled and vulnerable so the rich can have more tax cuts Get these corrupt parasites out now and use your vote
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 29, 2024 21:07:19 GMT
The milkman delivers…
They’ve gone from:
Needing to increase the original rate of national insurance.. To scrapping that increase.. Then cutting the original rate..
All for electoral purposes rather than actual needs of the country.
Is anyone seriously taken in by this to sufficient extent to actually vote conservative instead of someone else?
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 30, 2024 8:19:51 GMT
The milkman delivers… They’ve gone from: Needing to increase the original rate of national insurance.. To scrapping that increase.. Then cutting the original rate.. All for electoral purposes rather than actual needs of the country. Is anyone seriously taken in by this to sufficient extent to actually vote conservative instead of someone else? The point noone is saying is the rise was to pay for social care They now,attack the disabled just shows there total disregard for those less fortunate Get these parasites out now
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Post by gawa on Apr 30, 2024 10:46:54 GMT
On the positive side labour have been receiving donations from the owners of Iceland and sainsbury. So presume this means that when labour come in food prices will come down because owners of big business always donate to parties who put the consumer before profits. Right? That's how it works isn't it?
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