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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2021 20:55:05 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 20, 2021 21:42:24 GMT
Are you that desparately dishonest or just too fucking stupid you believe any old shit you find on social media ? The money / suggestion was to support humantarian aid in the golan heights where the israeli army was treating casualties of the syrian civil war who funnily enough you and your far left jew hating mates never mention or show any solidarity or support for some reason...
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 20, 2021 22:05:23 GMT
Are you that desparately dishonest or just too fucking stupid you believe any old shit you find on social media ? The money / suggestion was to support humantarian aid in the golan heights where the israeli army was treating casualties of the syrian civil war who funnily enough you and your far left jew hating mates never mention or show any solidarity or support for some reason... She was there on a Mercy Mission was she! Fuck me I've heard it all now. Even as ten year reigning world champion of the nations leading quiz show, 'Defend the Indefensible' that takes the biscuit barrel! 14 undeclared and unsanctioned meetings with the likes of Erdan and others. I mean she is a Tory who actually fucking resigned, imagine that. Imagine what the truth really is that a modern day Tory actually resigned for something!
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 20, 2021 22:14:56 GMT
Are you that desparately dishonest or just too fucking stupid you believe any old shit you find on social media ? The money / suggestion was to support humantarian aid in the golan heights where the israeli army was treating casualties of the syrian civil war who funnily enough you and your far left jew hating mates never mention or show any solidarity or support for some reason... She was there on a Mercy Mission was she! Fuck me I've heard it all now. Even as ten year reigning world champion of the nations leading quiz show, 'Defend the Indefensible' that takes the biscuit barrel! 14 undeclared and unsanctioned meetings with the likes of Erdan and others. I mean she is a Tory who actually fucking resigned, imagine that. Imagine what the truth really is that a modern day Tory actually resigned for something! Careful he’ll be parroting the “Jew hate” “antisemitism” lines again next. He’s nothing if not predictable.........
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2021 23:58:23 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2021 0:00:07 GMT
Are you that desparately dishonest or just too fucking stupid you believe any old shit you find on social media ? The money / suggestion was to support humantarian aid in the golan heights where the israeli army was treating casualties of the syrian civil war who funnily enough you and your far left jew hating mates never mention or show any solidarity or support for some reason... She was there on a Mercy Mission was she! Fuck me I've heard it all now. Even as ten year reigning world champion of the nations leading quiz show, 'Defend the Indefensible' that takes the biscuit barrel! 14 undeclared and unsanctioned meetings with the likes of Erdan and others. I mean she is a Tory who actually fucking resigned, imagine that. Imagine what the truth really is that a modern day Tory actually resigned for something! Unbelievable. I mean I know FYD is a Tory bot but this is a new low, even for him.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2021 0:01:36 GMT
She was there on a Mercy Mission was she! Fuck me I've heard it all now. Even as ten year reigning world champion of the nations leading quiz show, 'Defend the Indefensible' that takes the biscuit barrel! 14 undeclared and unsanctioned meetings with the likes of Erdan and others. I mean she is a Tory who actually fucking resigned, imagine that. Imagine what the truth really is that a modern day Tory actually resigned for something! Careful he’ll be parroting the “Jew hate” “antisemitism” lines again next. He’s nothing if not predictable......... He's also nothing if not dangerously thick.
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2021 4:48:40 GMT
Are you that desparately dishonest or just too fucking stupid you believe any old shit you find on social media ? The money / suggestion was to support humantarian aid in the golan heights where the israeli army was treating casualties of the syrian civil war who funnily enough you and your far left jew hating mates never mention or show any solidarity or support for some reason... As I recall, the people the Israeli Army were treating in their Golan Heights field hospital were Hezbollah fighters as part of a deal going on at the time to support their fight against ISIS in Syria. A “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” type of deal while ISIS were seen as the major threat in the region at that time. There were, and still are, standard hospitals ran by Israel treating Syrian civilian casualties in the Golan Heights but they are not run by the military. Patel was unbelievably dumb doing what she did and wrong. Aid should not be used for treating combatants.
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2021 5:59:01 GMT
Is that what you think they are doing? Suggest you look again. I can’t make my mind up as to whether this is a good attempt at fixing problems in the rail system or just a sleight of hand with nothing much changing beyond a rebranding of Network Rail. It certainly isn’t the privatisation envisaged by Corbyn and co. It looks like the London buses model, operators paid to operate services, where the ticket money goes to tfl, they wont pay franchise fees so then wont be under pressure to recover these fees via increased ticket prices. You’ve got that spot on... leastways, this article says the same thing; The rail revolution is nothing of the sort. It makes sense. It’s quite a big change, albeit nowhere near the revolution our resident dullard imagined it to be. The big question is will it improve things. On one level it will... ticketing is a shambles and this new system has to improve that. But will it improve performance... time will tell. As the article points out, how the unions are managed may be key to this if tech innovations, like driverless trains, are part of the mix for 21st century rail travel.
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Post by essexstokey on May 21, 2021 6:12:59 GMT
Oh dear oh dear Tories nicking labour politics again one they said was unachievable how the hell can you trust a single word they say Oh yes there re nationalising the railways lol Is that what you think they are doing? Suggest you look again. I can’t make my mind up as to whether this is a good attempt at fixing problems in the rail system or just a sleight of hand with nothing much changing beyond a rebranding of Network Rail. It certainly isn’t the privatisation envisaged by Corbyn and co. Patrick after taking to a mate I now think like you its slight of hand dressed up to look like nationalising but is nothing like it an attempt to try and look like labour whilst helping there mates yet again
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 10:39:57 GMT
Are you that desparately dishonest or just too fucking stupid you believe any old shit you find on social media ? The money / suggestion was to support humantarian aid in the golan heights where the israeli army was treating casualties of the syrian civil war who funnily enough you and your far left jew hating mates never mention or show any solidarity or support for some reason... She was there on a Mercy Mission was she! Fuck me I've heard it all now. Even as ten year reigning world champion of the nations leading quiz show, 'Defend the Indefensible' that takes the biscuit barrel! 14 undeclared and unsanctioned meetings with the likes of Erdan and others. I mean she is a Tory who actually fucking resigned, imagine that. Imagine what the truth really is that a modern day Tory actually resigned for something! The point is she was not giving the money to the israeli army.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 10:49:37 GMT
She was there on a Mercy Mission was she! Fuck me I've heard it all now. Even as ten year reigning world champion of the nations leading quiz show, 'Defend the Indefensible' that takes the biscuit barrel! 14 undeclared and unsanctioned meetings with the likes of Erdan and others. I mean she is a Tory who actually fucking resigned, imagine that. Imagine what the truth really is that a modern day Tory actually resigned for something! Careful he’ll be parroting the “Jew hate” “antisemitism” lines again next. He’s nothing if not predictable......... If the cap fits
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 10:52:17 GMT
Careful he’ll be parroting the “Jew hate” “antisemitism” lines again next. He’s nothing if not predictable......... He's also nothing if not dangerously thick. I mean you were a teacher who doesn't teach anymore best not to throw the insults around Stephen Hawking.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 10:54:52 GMT
Are you that desparately dishonest or just too fucking stupid you believe any old shit you find on social media ? The money / suggestion was to support humantarian aid in the golan heights where the israeli army was treating casualties of the syrian civil war who funnily enough you and your far left jew hating mates never mention or show any solidarity or support for some reason... As I recall, the people the Israeli Army were treating in their Golan Heights field hospital were Hezbollah fighters as part of a deal going on at the time to support their fight against ISIS in Syria. A “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” type of deal while ISIS were seen as the major threat in the region at that time. There were, and still are, standard hospitals ran by Israel treating Syrian civilian casualties in the Golan Heights but they are not run by the military. Patel was unbelievably dumb doing what she did and wrong. Aid should not be used for treating combatants. From memory there were civilians there too, my point was and is this was not giving money to the Israeli army as the highly misleading tweet implied regardless of the wrongs of the suggested use.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 21, 2021 11:06:57 GMT
Careful he’ll be parroting the “Jew hate” “antisemitism” lines again next. He’s nothing if not predictable......... If the cap fits Identify yourself and call me a Jew hater fella, come on don’t be shy now......
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 11:18:15 GMT
It looks like the London buses model, operators paid to operate services, where the ticket money goes to tfl, they wont pay franchise fees so then wont be under pressure to recover these fees via increased ticket prices. You’ve got that spot on... leastways, this article says the same thing; The rail revolution is nothing of the sort. It makes sense. It’s quite a big change, albeit nowhere near the revolution our resident dullard imagined it to be. The big question is will it improve things. On one level it will... ticketing is a shambles and this new system has to improve that. But will it improve performance... time will tell. As the article points out, how the unions are managed may be key to this if tech innovations, like driverless trains, are part of the mix for 21st century rail travel. To be honest I think its a holding position, effectively these companies are already privatised, passenger numbers fell through the floor with revenue obviously following, it will take some time (if ever) for these numbers to recover, partial working from home is here to stay for almost everyone I speak too, and there will undoubted staff reductions that follow from this. Full privatisation would have meant privatising the losses, the now onerous leasing contracts for the rolling stock, the pension obligations etc and the track maintenance costs previously largely recouped through track access fees now having to be funded from fare revenue or taxation. Rail is a very bad industry to be managed by government it requires long term strategic decisions (building new rolling stock etc) that inevitably result in higher fares which conflicts with trying to get elected (Khan has shown how even the tfl method can be botched). So will it improve things probably not will it be better than the previous I imagine it might be marginally less shit than that would have been
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 11:25:08 GMT
Identify yourself and call me a Jew hater fella, come on don’t be shy now...... I dont know you in real life so I wouldn't make definitive judgements based on what you post, or like here what you dont post, a man you fervantly defended as not anti semitic just speaking by a clearly anti semitic caricture just ignored, that 0.0003% will be 0.0004% before you know it.
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2021 11:48:08 GMT
Careful he’ll be parroting the “Jew hate” “antisemitism” lines again next. He’s nothing if not predictable......... If the cap fits I thought that was a representation of an Arab, specifically an Arab from the ruling elite who are seen as an enemy of the Palestinian people (by some people) because of their tacit support for Israel. More political than sectarian. It’s pretty unpleasant regardless but not, if that is correct, anti-Semitic.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 21, 2021 11:49:11 GMT
Identify yourself and call me a Jew hater fella, come on don’t be shy now...... I dont know you in real life so I wouldn't make definitive judgements based on what you post, or like here what you dont post, a man you fervantly defended as not anti semitic just speaking by a clearly anti semitic caricture just ignored, that 0.0003% will be 0.0004% before you know it. Thought as much, backtracking already. The rest is just waffle as usual.......
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 11:53:58 GMT
I thought that was a representation of an Arab, specifically an Arab from the ruling elite who are seen as an enemy of the Palestinian people (by some people) because of their tacit support for Israel. More political than sectarian. It’s pretty unpleasant regardless but not, if that is correct, anti-Semitic. You are correct with the first part, however the hooked nose and horns are because he is carictured as being jewish so thats pretty much textbook antisemitism.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 21, 2021 14:11:24 GMT
You’ve got that spot on... leastways, this article says the same thing; The rail revolution is nothing of the sort. It makes sense. It’s quite a big change, albeit nowhere near the revolution our resident dullard imagined it to be. The big question is will it improve things. On one level it will... ticketing is a shambles and this new system has to improve that. But will it improve performance... time will tell. As the article points out, how the unions are managed may be key to this if tech innovations, like driverless trains, are part of the mix for 21st century rail travel. To be honest I think its a holding position, effectively these companies are already privatised, passenger numbers fell through the floor with revenue obviously following, it will take some time (if ever) for these numbers to recover, partial working from home is here to stay for almost everyone I speak too, and there will undoubted staff reductions that follow from this. Full privatisation would have meant privatising the losses, the now onerous leasing contracts for the rolling stock, the pension obligations etc and the track maintenance costs previously largely recouped through track access fees now having to be funded from fare revenue or taxation. Rail is a very bad industry to be managed by government it requires long term strategic decisions (building new rolling stock etc) that inevitably result in higher fares which conflicts with trying to get elected (Khan has shown how even the tfl method can be botched). So will it improve things probably not will it be better than the previous I imagine it might be marginally less shit than that would have been I think the Dutch have proven that rail is not necessarily a very bad industry to be managed by government. It depends on the government and the mindset of the electorate regarding the value of a decent rail system and willingness to pay for it The franchise system in the UK has seen a succession of failures and needed scrapping. Will GBR improve things - that will depend on the government and the mindset of the electorate regarding the value of a decent rail system and willingness to pay for it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2021 14:38:32 GMT
I thought that was a representation of an Arab, specifically an Arab from the ruling elite who are seen as an enemy of the Palestinian people (by some people) because of their tacit support for Israel. More political than sectarian. It’s pretty unpleasant regardless but not, if that is correct, anti-Semitic. You are correct with the first part, however the hooked nose and horns are because he is carictured as being jewish so thats pretty much textbook antisemitism. Are you and your friend on twitter saying that everyone at Saturday's mass demonstration were racists or anti-Semites?
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 15:47:42 GMT
To be honest I think its a holding position, effectively these companies are already privatised, passenger numbers fell through the floor with revenue obviously following, it will take some time (if ever) for these numbers to recover, partial working from home is here to stay for almost everyone I speak too, and there will undoubted staff reductions that follow from this. Full privatisation would have meant privatising the losses, the now onerous leasing contracts for the rolling stock, the pension obligations etc and the track maintenance costs previously largely recouped through track access fees now having to be funded from fare revenue or taxation. Rail is a very bad industry to be managed by government it requires long term strategic decisions (building new rolling stock etc) that inevitably result in higher fares which conflicts with trying to get elected (Khan has shown how even the tfl method can be botched). So will it improve things probably not will it be better than the previous I imagine it might be marginally less shit than that would have been I think the Dutch have proven that rail is not necessarily a very bad industry to be managed by government. It depends on the government and the mindset of the electorate regarding the value of a decent rail system and willingness to pay for it The franchise system in the UK has seen a succession of failures and needed scrapping. Will GBR improve things - that will depend on the government and the mindset of the electorate regarding the value of a decent rail system and willingness to pay for it. The dutch traditionally have alot of coalitions / minority governments so they look longer term, in the uk all governments will leave hard decisions to the next lot.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 15:51:41 GMT
You are correct with the first part, however the hooked nose and horns are because he is carictured as being jewish so thats pretty much textbook antisemitism. Are you and your friend on twitter saying that everyone at Saturday's mass demonstration were racists or anti-Semites? Incoming strawman, point me where you come to that conclusion was more than 0.0003% of antisemites, the point about the picture is how can a supposed anti racist not say anything there, no surprise you didnt comment as usual.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2021 16:01:35 GMT
Are you and your friend on twitter saying that everyone at Saturday's mass demonstration were racists or anti-Semites? Incoming strawman, point me where you come to that conclusion was more than 0.0003% of antisemites, the point about the picture is how can a supposed anti racist not say anything there, no surprise you didnt comment as usual. No strawman at all. You and your friend are intimating that Corbyn is a racist/anti Semite because he is in proximity to someone who may be a racist or anti-Semite. Please clear it up if that not the case. Of course the actual truth is you don't think anyone should show any solidarity with Palestinians in the first place do you.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2021 16:17:43 GMT
Incoming strawman, point me where you come to that conclusion was more than 0.0003% of antisemites, the point about the picture is how can a supposed anti racist not say anything there, no surprise you didnt comment as usual. No strawman at all. You and your friend are intimating that Corbyn is a racist/anti Semite because he is in proximity to someone who may be a racist or anti-Semite. Please clear it up if that not the case. Of course the actual truth is you don't think anyone should show any solidarity with Palestinians in the first place do you. Corbyn the one who calls hamas his friends, hamas who want to kill all israelis how can he anyone think he was an antisemite despite being the leader of a party investigated by the EHRC. Show as much solidarity as you want for the Palestinians although you dont seem that arsed with those in Syria, all my negative comments have been aimed at hamas and the far left who are driving the rise in anti semitism and abuse being seen on the streets of london, new york and many other places.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 21, 2021 16:27:58 GMT
I think the Dutch have proven that rail is not necessarily a very bad industry to be managed by government. It depends on the government and the mindset of the electorate regarding the value of a decent rail system and willingness to pay for it The franchise system in the UK has seen a succession of failures and needed scrapping. Will GBR improve things - that will depend on the government and the mindset of the electorate regarding the value of a decent rail system and willingness to pay for it. The dutch traditionally have alot of coalitions / minority governments so they look longer term, in the uk all governments will leave hard decisions to the next lot. Correct..... the Dutch way of politics is based around what they call the ‘Polder model’ whereby consensus is listened to from all sides and decisions made The rail system over here is absolutely bob on
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2021 17:08:35 GMT
The dutch traditionally have alot of coalitions / minority governments so they look longer term, in the uk all governments will leave hard decisions to the next lot. Correct..... the Dutch way of politics is based around what they call the ‘Polder model’ whereby consensus is listened to from all sides and decisions made The rail system over here is absolutely bob on In the UK we should be past the left versus right politics.We are shackled to it. It's old hat. Not very positive offers little vision, is full of bitterness, resentment and the actors simply " feel better" because they like to think they've won the argument. Stifles thinking. Neither side truly represents ordinary people. Nowt wrong with consensus, it's not a dirty word....although I don't think those who think that they speak for the working class could stomach the idea. Shame really, because what they have been doing and saying hasn't worked. The demise of the Left has left the door open for a one party Tory state for the foreseeable. In my opinion, the only realistic hope for better politics is electoral reform. Unfortunately the party in power won't support that......because the existing system has delivered control to them , and they can't see any further than the next election.....that will suit the Tories at the moment because the Left is so poor.....I don't think that the " throw enough mud and some will stick" strategy is working. On one small point I think people are looking for a party that puts Britain first and has some sort of positive vision
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 22, 2021 7:55:46 GMT
The dutch traditionally have alot of coalitions / minority governments so they look longer term, in the uk all governments will leave hard decisions to the next lot. Correct..... the Dutch way of politics is based around what they call the ‘Polder model’ whereby consensus is listened to from all sides and decisions made The rail system over here is absolutely bob on Who'd have thought PR could lead to this kind of consensus based government! There's also the much overlooked aspect (which, to be fair, Dutchstokie has acknowledged before) that the Dutch pay more tax to actually make their public services work more effectively. So they do. Until we accept that you can't have world class public services by constantly underfunding them, all we'll do in this country is keep wondering why ours are so poor. Currently, there seems to be a collective decision by the electorate that forever moaning about them but having an extra fiver a week in your pocket is the way forward. So there's no pressure on the govt to fix them.
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Post by mrcoke on May 22, 2021 9:28:26 GMT
In every assessment I see the UK is ranked as one of the top countries in the world, certainly in the top 20 and usually in the top 10. Considering the role we play in other aspects such as supporting NATO with our strong armed forces and foreign aid I think we do very well. One thing we appear to be best at is whinging and complaining. For example the UK is ranked as the best country in the world for education: www.studyinternational.com/news/the-uk-is-the-best-country-in-the-world-for-education-says-study/Our education provision may be the best but our actual standard of the nations education is not as high, which possibly says more about those being educated. www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/pisa-test-results-rankings-education-uk-oecd-maths-reading-science-wellbeing-a9230711.htmlbut British teenagers complain the most. It must be in the genes. On health the UK is consistently one of the top ranked countries in the world. Detailed studies have found in many aspects the UK is best in terms of provision of service, quality of professional service, provision of facilities, whilst in other aspects we are not so good such as the effectiveness of treatment and standard of the nations health, but that is possibly more due to obesity, drinking, and failure to follow doctor's directions. An perfect example of this is the appalling number of missed appointments that causes huge wastage of time and assets in the NHS. The is also a huge wastage of unused prescriptions. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608253#:~:text=The%20NHS%20has%20been%20ranked,early%20death%20and%20cancer%20survival. As for welfare, I think the UK provision of welfare is renowned and a lot of people head to this country. Whilest online, I went to hospital this week for a procedure and have nothing but praise and admiration for our health service. I did have to wait, but was dealt with brilliantly by excellent staff in excellent humour. As usual there was an example of British complaining from a guy who arrived well after me, was only waiting a short while and then complained because a young lady who had arrived after him, was called before him. He was told she was receiving treatment by a different team to him.
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