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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2021 14:58:54 GMT
Here is what he said... Seems fair enough to me. Can’t see anything wrong with what he’s said. Like you say, born of experience and concern. It's born out of typical Tory ideology and distrust of the weakest in society. They like to dehumanise and control. Benefits by food voucher. All part of the benefit street, poverty porn narrative. Good poor vs bad poor but lots and lots of poor! So you don’t have a problem with what he actually said.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 15:10:55 GMT
It's born out of typical Tory ideology and distrust of the weakest in society. They like to dehumanise and control. Benefits by food voucher. All part of the benefit street, poverty porn narrative. Good poor vs bad poor but lots and lots of poor! So you don’t have a problem with what he actually said. Not sure how you've come to that conclusion PP! I have a problem with both what he said and the sentiment behind it.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2021 15:34:01 GMT
So you don’t have a problem with what he actually said. Not sure how you've come to that conclusion PP! I have a problem with both what he said and the sentiment behind it. Ok - I thought what he said made good sense, which was on the lines of for some people additional cash in hand in itself could be a problem in exacerbating a problem in which case something more or else is needed. As to sentiment, well, who knows. Well, apart from you, of course.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 16:30:51 GMT
Not sure how you've come to that conclusion PP! I have a problem with both what he said and the sentiment behind it. Ok - I thought what he said made good sense, which was on the lines of for some people additional cash in hand in itself could be a problem in exacerbating a problem in which case something more or else is needed. As to sentiment, well, who knows. Well, apart from you, of course. I think that the voters share some concerns about his sentiments. The last time I looked he was the same odds to win the contest as Count Binface and the wonderfully named Peter Gammons of UKIP!
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2021 16:46:11 GMT
So you think it's ok for a political party to prioritise citizens in areas that voted for them? How very Patriotic. If you actually look its brexit voting areas which are often the poorest being prioritised, Labour only have 160 odd english constituencies alot of them in big cities like london that do ok for funding I think you will find. I presume you think its wrong when one of the first acts of a Labour government is to up the pay in the parts of the public sector where the unions fund them. Have you ever been to Richmond in Yorkshire? One of the wealthiest towns in the region. Rishi Sunak’s constituency. It is being prioritised for this funding
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 4, 2021 16:49:07 GMT
If you actually look its brexit voting areas which are often the poorest being prioritised, Labour only have 160 odd english constituencies alot of them in big cities like london that do ok for funding I think you will find. I presume you think its wrong when one of the first acts of a Labour government is to up the pay in the parts of the public sector where the unions fund them. Have you ever been to Richmond in Yorkshire? One of the wealthiest towns in the region. Rishi Sunak’s constituency. It is being prioritised for this funding I had my honeymoon in Richmond
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2021 16:50:32 GMT
Here is what he said... Seems fair enough to me. Can’t see anything wrong with what he’s said. Like you say, born of experience and concern. It's born out of typical Tory ideology and distrust of the weakest in society. They like to dehumanise and control. Benefits by food voucher. All part of the benefit street, poverty porn narrative. Good poor vs bad poor but lots and lots of poor! That’s why this budget completely ignores the chasm that has been exacerbated by covid between the rich and poor in society. Levelling up can only be achieved by proper taxation of big tech and big companies, proper funding of public services and massive investment too.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2021 16:51:04 GMT
Have you ever been to Richmond in Yorkshire? One of the wealthiest towns in the region. Rishi Sunak’s constituency. It is being prioritised for this funding I had my honeymoon in Richmond Lovely choice. It’s a very nice town.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2021 16:52:56 GMT
Ok - I thought what he said made good sense, which was on the lines of for some people additional cash in hand in itself could be a problem in exacerbating a problem in which case something more or else is needed. As to sentiment, well, who knows. Well, apart from you, of course. I think that the voters share some concerns about his sentiments. The last time I looked he was the same odds to win the contest as Count Binface and the wonderfully named Peter Gammons of UKIP! Not quite so bad - he is 16/1, rather better than the Green and Lib Dem candidates (both 100/1) - according to Paddy Power. Mr Gammon is 250/1. It all looks academic anyway as Sadiq Khan is odds on. Mind you he seems to have some fun today at the launch of his campaign... Sadiq Khan forced to hole-up inside coffee shop after protesters turn up at launch. Seems some folk are unhappy about a low traffic neighbourhood introduced by Enfield council. Bloody awkward things voters. Particularly at election time.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 17:19:50 GMT
I think that the voters share some concerns about his sentiments. The last time I looked he was the same odds to win the contest as Count Binface and the wonderfully named Peter Gammons of UKIP! Not quite so bad - he is 16/1, rather better than the Green and Lib Dem candidates (both 100/1) - according to Paddy Power. Mr Gammon is 250/1. It all looks academic anyway as Sadiq Khan is odds on. Mind you he seems to have some fun today at the launch of his campaign... Sadiq Khan forced to hole-up inside coffee shop after protesters turn up at launch. Seems some folk are unhappy about a low traffic neighbourhood introduced by Enfield council. Bloody awkward things voters. Particularly at election time. I'm certainly no fan of Khan but it's slightly concerning for the Tories that they cant get any traction against a fairly crap Mayor, affiliated to a weak, unpopular and split Political Party with a useless leader, despite spending four years waging a smear campaign against him! I get the demographics of London but it can't be the whole answer.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 18:07:35 GMT
"Form a square around the Pritster" the fop haired crook said.
No worries the poorest in the country will cover the cost through their taxes..
Beyond contempt this lot.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2021 18:13:30 GMT
Not quite so bad - he is 16/1, rather better than the Green and Lib Dem candidates (both 100/1) - according to Paddy Power. Mr Gammon is 250/1. It all looks academic anyway as Sadiq Khan is odds on. Mind you he seems to have some fun today at the launch of his campaign... Sadiq Khan forced to hole-up inside coffee shop after protesters turn up at launch. Seems some folk are unhappy about a low traffic neighbourhood introduced by Enfield council. Bloody awkward things voters. Particularly at election time. I'm certainly no fan of Khan but it's slightly concerning for the Tories that they cant get any traction against a fairly crap Mayor, affiliated to a weak, unpopular and split Political Party with a useless leader, despite spending four years waging a smear campaign against him! I get the demographics of London but it can't be the whole answer. The dynamics of London Mayoral elections are hard to figure - Boris Johnson won twice after all.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 18:19:21 GMT
I'm certainly no fan of Khan but it's slightly concerning for the Tories that they cant get any traction against a fairly crap Mayor, affiliated to a weak, unpopular and split Political Party with a useless leader, despite spending four years waging a smear campaign against him! I get the demographics of London but it can't be the whole answer. The dynamics of London Mayoral elections are hard to figure - Boris Johnson won twice after all. And Livingstone managed to win by a landslide as an Independent in 2000 even with the official Labour candidate running against him. It's a strange one for sure.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 4, 2021 18:41:12 GMT
"Form a square around the Pritster" the fop haired crook said. No worries the poorest in the country will cover the cost through their taxes.. Beyond contempt this lot. £340k +£30k costs apparently. Clearly a small price to pay to keep one of Johnson's chums in position.
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 4, 2021 18:55:55 GMT
"Form a square around the Pritster" the fop haired crook said. No worries the poorest in the country will cover the cost through their taxes.. Beyond contempt this lot. According to the BBC 340000 plus legal costs www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56281781
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 4, 2021 18:56:44 GMT
"Form a square around the Pritster" the fop haired crook said. No worries the poorest in the country will cover the cost through their taxes.. Beyond contempt this lot. £340k +£30k costs apparently. Clearly a small price to pay to keep one of Johnson's chums in position. Yep every Tory matters
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Mar 4, 2021 19:08:15 GMT
That was a quick reverse ferret from all the dont vote tory they wont do anything for you crowd as the sun guy points out below So you think it's ok for a political party to prioritise citizens in areas that voted for them? How very Patriotic. Well that would explain why the cleaner than clean Labour Party didn't give 2 fucks about Stoke on Trent and left us to rot during their time in office. Still at least it was patriotic eh!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 19:08:54 GMT
Meanwhile nurses expected to accept applause rather than money from the bloke whose life they saved. Glad the square held firm around the Pritster though
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Mar 4, 2021 19:15:55 GMT
Meanwhile nurses expected to accept applause rather than money from the bloke whose life they saved. Glad the square held firm around the Pritster though And yet applicant's for nursing qualifications are up 32% this year.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 19:20:55 GMT
Meanwhile nurses expected to accept applause rather than money from the bloke whose life they saved. Glad the square held firm around the Pritster though And yet applicant's for nursing qualifications are up 32% this year. Does that form the basis of some sort of defence?
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Mar 4, 2021 19:32:53 GMT
And yet applicant's for nursing qualifications are up 32% this year. Does that form the basis of some sort of defence? Just stating a fact fella. It's clear that the occupation/vocation is currently desirable for many. I would personally like to see them get a bigger rise but in the context of this pandemic a pay rise of any description is more than most are getting.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 4, 2021 19:53:45 GMT
Does that form the basis of some sort of defence? Just stating a fact fella. It's clear that the occupation/vocation is currently desirable for many. I would personally like to see them get a bigger rise but in the context of this pandemic a pay rise of any description is more than most are getting. Spot on. Of course they’re worth more for all the great work they do but the government have to pay for all the furlough money from somewhere. I think the issue will rise if they start giving themselves big pay rises clearly then there’s a big issue and one that I’d have a huge issue with. They could give them 20 percent but the money has to come from somewhere so something else would have to give. The time for me to moan is if they give themselves 10 percent plus.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 20:16:19 GMT
This board is utterly hilarious and as predicted, the real key workers coming out of the pandemic are exactly the same as the ones going into it. The bankers, the speculators, hedge fund managers. If you're a nurse take your sickening, cynical, clap and shut your traps.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2021 21:09:02 GMT
Good use of tax payer funds: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56281781Wasn’t this unfair dismissal? Unless there was an element of discrimination or whistleblowing in the claim, where compensation isn’t capped, the cap on compensation in employment claims for unfair dismissal is £88k. He is getting £340k. Just goes to show how desperate the government were to settle without the Home Sec being publicly embarrassed at a tribunal.. Either way, NHS staff get a cut to their pay in real terms, but the government will bail out the Home Sec for her awful behaviour as a boss. How is she still in the job? It reflects appallingly on Johnson and our government.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2021 21:13:32 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 4, 2021 23:10:33 GMT
Meanwhile nurses expected to accept applause rather than money from the bloke whose life they saved. Glad the square held firm around the Pritster though And yet applicant's for nursing qualifications are up 32% this year. That's because nurses do the job for care and compassion and that's why governments abuse this Let's also not forget that by driving nurses away from the NHS the Tory government can implement yet another part of privatisation of healthcare
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 4, 2021 23:52:03 GMT
If you actually look its brexit voting areas which are often the poorest being prioritised, Labour only have 160 odd english constituencies alot of them in big cities like london that do ok for funding I think you will find. I presume you think its wrong when one of the first acts of a Labour government is to up the pay in the parts of the public sector where the unions fund them. Have you ever been to Richmond in Yorkshire? One of the wealthiest towns in the region. Rishi Sunak’s constituency. It is being prioritised for this funding I haven't but considering he has a 23k majority and its one of the safest tory seats in the country I don't think they need to buy votes.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 23:58:07 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 7:16:41 GMT
This board is utterly hilarious and as predicted, the real key workers coming out of the pandemic are exactly the same as the ones going into it. The bankers, the speculators, hedge fund managers. If you're a nurse take your sickening, cynical, clap and shut your traps. Surely nobody is surprised by this slap in the face for the very people who kept Johnson alive? It was always going to be the case that a nice weekly clap on the doorstep made people feel they'd done their bit for the NHS, no need to fund it properly, or actually do anything substantive for nurses. And heaven forbid we might contribute a bit more in taxes to this end! I mean, we can find £400bn just like that when we need it, waste over £22 billion on a failed track and trace system "run" by govt cronies with track records of failure. But a payrise which reflects their "key worker" status? Naah! Amazing how little of a shit people give about actually doing the right thing by others in this country. Maybe a nice round of applause counts these days!
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 5, 2021 7:35:45 GMT
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