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Post by Kilo on Jan 19, 2021 17:09:50 GMT
Crikey, if you can't understand your own posts how can you expect anyone else to? I think he's referring to Essex, not me. Made yourself look a bit of a fool there. I don't blame America, I blame the spineless politicians that bent over backwards to do whatever they wanted. You wrote "We did what the American's told us" and then in the very next post wrote "Who's blaming the Americans?" I don't think it's me who looks the fool.
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Post by foster on Jan 19, 2021 17:15:21 GMT
I think he's referring to Essex, not me. Made yourself look a bit of a fool there. I don't blame America, I blame the spineless politicians that bent over backwards to do whatever they wanted. You wrote "We did what the American's told us" and then in the very next post wrote "Who's blaming the Americans?" I don't think it's me who looks the fool. It is mate. Just because we did what they told us doesn't mean it's their fault, and I asked 'who's blaming Americans' in response to a post saying that we shouldn't blame America.
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Post by Kilo on Jan 19, 2021 17:24:26 GMT
You wrote "We did what the American's told us" and then in the very next post wrote "Who's blaming the Americans?" I don't think it's me who looks the fool. It is mate. Just because we did what they told us doesn't mean it's their fault, and I asked 'who's blaming Americans' in response to a post saying that we shouldn't blame America. You were quoting Waga who was quoting you.
I'll remember your logic though. If I tell someone to give you a good kicking at Sir Stan's statue, it won't be my fault if you get hurt.
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Post by foster on Jan 19, 2021 17:28:44 GMT
It is mate. Just because we did what they told us doesn't mean it's their fault, and I asked 'who's blaming Americans' in response to a post saying that we shouldn't blame America. You were quoting Waga who was quoting you. I'll remember your logic though. If I tell someone to give you a good kicking at Sir Stan's statue, it won't be my fault if you get hurt.
If you can point me to where I blamed America then I'll happily agree with you. Unfortunately that never happened and the only thing I said was that we did as we were told, not what we were forced to do. If someone tells you to jump off a cliff, I would only assume that you would do it, by your logic.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 19, 2021 17:36:28 GMT
Again I think you Tory boys should be careful with slander as you might make mr Blair alot of money and you end up in the poor house 😁 I’d happily debate in court with Blair How about The Hague Blair's lawyer to Blair have you ever been convicted of war crimes Blair no Case closed wagsa in the poor house 😁
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Post by Kilo on Jan 19, 2021 17:50:07 GMT
I’d happily debate in court with Blair How about The Hague Blair's lawyer to Blair have you ever been convicted of war crimes Blair no Case closed wagsa in the poor house 😁 Yes, that's exactly how it works in court. Jimmy, have you ever been convicted of kiddie fiddling? Saville, No Case closed, you can now go on holiday to Disneyland Jimmy.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 17:51:44 GMT
I’d happily debate in court with Blair How about The Hague Blair's lawyer to Blair have you ever been convicted of war crimes Blair no Case closed wagsa in the poor house 😁 How you can defend that bastard i find mystifying But then again you probably voted for him it’s amazing how many are taken in by a smile and blatant lies
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 18:07:15 GMT
Blair's lawyer to Blair have you ever been convicted of war crimes Blair no Case closed wagsa in the poor house 😁 How you can defend that bastard i find mystifying But then again you probably voted for him it’s amazing how many are taken in by a smile and blatant lies Well, you should know, if anyone Starmer marched in protest against the Iraq War, in case you are interested...!
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 19, 2021 18:12:49 GMT
Blair has been gone for years, since then Tory governments have expanded the war in Iraq, got involved in wars in, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc.
So all the tory leaders are war criminals,?,
Also they must be involved in the missing billions worth of oil that has disappeared in Iraq.
It was the tories mps that voted for the Iraq invasion
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 19:07:07 GMT
Blair has been gone for years, since then Tory governments have expanded the war in Iraq, got involved in wars in, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. So all the tory leaders are war criminals,?, Also they must be involved in the missing billions worth of oil that has disappeared in Iraq. It was the tories mps that voted for the Iraq invasion Far more labour MPs voted for the Iraq war than Tory ones
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2021 19:12:38 GMT
How you can defend that bastard i find mystifying But then again you probably voted for him it’s amazing how many are taken in by a smile and blatant lies Well, you should know, if anyone Starmer marched in protest against the Iraq War, in case you are interested...! I do know that’s why I didn’t vote remain with there scaremongering blatant lies I didn’t vote for boris either And starmer can March where he wants the fence sitting charlatan will never get my vote
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 19, 2021 19:23:49 GMT
It's hard to see how such a simple statement of fact has generated 268 pages of discussion!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2021 19:27:37 GMT
Blair has been gone for years, since then Tory governments have expanded the war in Iraq, got involved in wars in, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. So all the tory leaders are war criminals,?, Also they must be involved in the missing billions worth of oil that has disappeared in Iraq. It was the tories mps that voted for the Iraq invasion Far more labour MPs voted for the Iraq war than Tory ones I imagine far more Labour MPs voted for just about everything than did Tories back then, since there were 413 Labour MPs and 166 Tories A much more interesting statistic would be to see how many Labour MPs voted against the war, compared with how many Tories did... Just checked: For the invasion: Lab 254/413; Tory 146/166. Abstentions: Lab 69/413; Tory 17/166. Against invasion: Lab 84; Tory 2 Well, what a surprise, eh, wags!
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 19, 2021 19:38:54 GMT
Blair has been gone for years, since then Tory governments have expanded the war in Iraq, got involved in wars in, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. So all the tory leaders are war criminals,?, Also they must be involved in the missing billions worth of oil that has disappeared in Iraq. It was the tories mps that voted for the Iraq invasion Far more labour MPs voted for the Iraq war than Tory ones True, should have said majority of the tories
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 20, 2021 10:59:56 GMT
These things hardly even register as newsworthy in the current climate........
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 20, 2021 12:14:02 GMT
These things hardly even register as newsworthy in the current climate........ What’s your take on this story?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2021 12:28:14 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 20, 2021 16:27:12 GMT
The infantalisation of politics continues into the Lords I see, the NHS that was being sold to Trump according to Labour now needs protecting by passing a completely meaningless motion that would protect the NHS from not being free at point of use, you labour types should make your mind up on the one hand the nhs is the envy of the world on the other hand the tories cant be trusted with the nhs despite them actually being in control of it for the majority of its existence, privatising the nhs is something else the tories dont seem very good at. Two of the biggest problems the nhs faces are as a direct result of Labour lumbering the nhs with massive pfi contracts and the effective privatisation of gp practices.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 20, 2021 18:16:22 GMT
The infantalisation of politics continues into the Lords I see, the NHS that was being sold to Trump according to Labour now needs protecting by passing a completely meaningless motion that would protect the NHS from not being free at point of use, you labour types should make your mind up on the one hand the nhs is the envy of the world on the other hand the tories cant be trusted with the nhs despite them actually being in control of it for the majority of its existence, privatising the nhs is something else the tories dont seem very good at. Two of the biggest problems the nhs faces are as a direct result of Labour lumbering the nhs with massive pfi contracts and the effective privatisation of gp practices. Here we go again the Tory blaim game shirking all responsibility Let's go back further than the Tory introduced pfi the lack of investment in our NHS infrastructure of Tory government of Thatcher major etc while cutting tax for the rich and mega rich leaving no money for the labour government to rescue our crumbling NHS buildings so were forced to look at this Tory revenue source It was denied (a lie) that the NHS was not up for negotiations with the USA however subsequent documents and actions by this government has shown this to be yet another lie As I said time and time again you can't trust a Tory they are intent on one thing and one thing only feathering their own nests and themselves
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 20, 2021 21:51:25 GMT
The infantalisation of politics continues into the Lords I see, the NHS that was being sold to Trump according to Labour now needs protecting by passing a completely meaningless motion that would protect the NHS from not being free at point of use, you labour types should make your mind up on the one hand the nhs is the envy of the world on the other hand the tories cant be trusted with the nhs despite them actually being in control of it for the majority of its existence, privatising the nhs is something else the tories dont seem very good at. Two of the biggest problems the nhs faces are as a direct result of Labour lumbering the nhs with massive pfi contracts and the effective privatisation of gp practices. Here we go again the Tory blaim game shirking all responsibility Let's go back further than the Tory introduced pfi the lack of investment in our NHS infrastructure of Tory government of Thatcher major etc while cutting tax for the rich and mega rich leaving no money for the labour government to rescue our crumbling NHS buildings so were forced to look at this Tory revenue source It was denied (a lie) that the NHS was not up for negotiations with the USA however subsequent documents and actions by this government has shown this to be yet another lie As I said time and time again you can't trust a Tory they are intent on one thing and one thing only feathering their own nests and themselves Just occasionally could you just like read back what you are posting and make it semi coherent. Thatcher actually ran 2 budget surpluses, major despite a crippling recession and black wednesday left a rapidly diminishing budget deficit so much so blair was able to run 3 surpluses in the early years, then came the splurges. PFI was intended to use to manage small projects to cut waste and overspends it was never intended for building hospitals, Brown used this so he could claim to be sticking to his borrowing rules because effectively renting hospitals meant the full cost did not show up in debt figures immediately instead it shows up over 20 years, so a hospital that cost £229m to build ends up costing over £1 billion and we don't own it and you witter on about Tories privatising the NHS, laughable. And if you want to talk about feathering the nest look at unite, look at liverpool council, look at croydon council and more.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 21, 2021 7:45:14 GMT
Here we go again the Tory blaim game shirking all responsibility Let's go back further than the Tory introduced pfi the lack of investment in our NHS infrastructure of Tory government of Thatcher major etc while cutting tax for the rich and mega rich leaving no money for the labour government to rescue our crumbling NHS buildings so were forced to look at this Tory revenue source It was denied (a lie) that the NHS was not up for negotiations with the USA however subsequent documents and actions by this government has shown this to be yet another lie As I said time and time again you can't trust a Tory they are intent on one thing and one thing only feathering their own nests and themselves Just occasionally could you just like read back what you are posting and make it semi coherent. Thatcher actually ran 2 budget surpluses, major despite a crippling recession and black wednesday left a rapidly diminishing budget deficit so much so blair was able to run 3 surpluses in the early years, then came the splurges. PFI was intended to use to manage small projects to cut waste and overspends it was never intended for building hospitals, Brown used this so he could claim to be sticking to his borrowing rules because effectively renting hospitals meant the full cost did not show up in debt figures immediately instead it shows up over 20 years, so a hospital that cost £229m to build ends up costing over £1 billion and we don't own it and you witter on about Tories privatising the NHS, laughable. And if you want to talk about feathering the nest look at unite, look at liverpool council, look at croydon council and more. Tories are evil. That’s all you need to know. Oh... and Blair was a Tory.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 21, 2021 7:55:28 GMT
Here we go again the Tory blaim game shirking all responsibility Let's go back further than the Tory introduced pfi the lack of investment in our NHS infrastructure of Tory government of Thatcher major etc while cutting tax for the rich and mega rich leaving no money for the labour government to rescue our crumbling NHS buildings so were forced to look at this Tory revenue source It was denied (a lie) that the NHS was not up for negotiations with the USA however subsequent documents and actions by this government has shown this to be yet another lie As I said time and time again you can't trust a Tory they are intent on one thing and one thing only feathering their own nests and themselves Just occasionally could you just like read back what you are posting and make it semi coherent. Thatcher actually ran 2 budget surpluses, major despite a crippling recession and black wednesday left a rapidly diminishing budget deficit so much so blair was able to run 3 surpluses in the early years, then came the splurges. PFI was intended to use to manage small projects to cut waste and overspends it was never intended for building hospitals, Brown used this so he could claim to be sticking to his borrowing rules because effectively renting hospitals meant the full cost did not show up in debt figures immediately instead it shows up over 20 years, so a hospital that cost £229m to build ends up costing over £1 billion and we don't own it and you witter on about Tories privatising the NHS, laughable. And if you want to talk about feathering the nest look at unite, look at liverpool council, look at croydon council and more. You’re wasting your time There’s none so blind as those who do not want to see
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 21, 2021 8:14:59 GMT
The irony!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 21, 2021 8:25:24 GMT
The infantalisation of politics continues into the Lords I see, the NHS that was being sold to Trump according to Labour now needs protecting by passing a completely meaningless motion that would protect the NHS from not being free at point of use, you labour types should make your mind up on the one hand the nhs is the envy of the world on the other hand the tories cant be trusted with the nhs despite them actually being in control of it for the majority of its existence, privatising the nhs is something else the tories dont seem very good at. Two of the biggest problems the nhs faces are as a direct result of Labour lumbering the nhs with massive pfi contracts and the effective privatisation of gp practices. Its 8 o'clock and here we are again for another edition of your favourite game show, 'Defend the Indefensible' and here's your host, Followyoudown.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 21, 2021 8:34:31 GMT
The infantalisation of politics continues into the Lords I see, the NHS that was being sold to Trump according to Labour now needs protecting by passing a completely meaningless motion that would protect the NHS from not being free at point of use, you labour types should make your mind up on the one hand the nhs is the envy of the world on the other hand the tories cant be trusted with the nhs despite them actually being in control of it for the majority of its existence, privatising the nhs is something else the tories dont seem very good at. Two of the biggest problems the nhs faces are as a direct result of Labour lumbering the nhs with massive pfi contracts and the effective privatisation of gp practices. Its 8 o'clock and here we are again for another edition of your favourite game show, 'Defend the Indefensible' and here's your host, Followyoudown. I'm not sure why anyone would have to make their minds up between "on the one hand the NHS is the envy of the world and on the other hand the Tories can't be trusted with the NHS". They're not mutually exclusive! Looks like it's FYD bingo time...PFI (the Tory invention, and still used!) for one corner. Gordon's gold sale, racist grandpa and Stafford NHS Trust scandal still to come...!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 21, 2021 9:00:15 GMT
Its 8 o'clock and here we are again for another edition of your favourite game show, 'Defend the Indefensible' and here's your host, Followyoudown. I'm not sure why anyone would have to make their minds up between "on the one hand the NHS is the envy of the world and on the other hand the Tories can't be trusted with the NHS". They're not mutually exclusive! Looks like it's FYD bingo time...PFI (the Tory invention, and still used!) for one corner. Gordon's gold sale, racist grandpa and Stafford NHS Trust scandal still to come...! I’ll just stick to the weapons of mass destruction dossier
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 21, 2021 10:39:58 GMT
The infantalisation of politics continues into the Lords I see, the NHS that was being sold to Trump according to Labour now needs protecting by passing a completely meaningless motion that would protect the NHS from not being free at point of use, you labour types should make your mind up on the one hand the nhs is the envy of the world on the other hand the tories cant be trusted with the nhs despite them actually being in control of it for the majority of its existence, privatising the nhs is something else the tories dont seem very good at. Two of the biggest problems the nhs faces are as a direct result of Labour lumbering the nhs with massive pfi contracts and the effective privatisation of gp practices. Its 8 o'clock and here we are again for another edition of your favourite game show, 'Defend the Indefensible' and here's your host, Followyoudown. Could you provide a quick summary of what the debate the genocide amendment to the Trade Bill was concerning. I’ll give you a clue - it wasn’t actually about conducting trade.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 21, 2021 11:19:10 GMT
Its 8 o'clock and here we are again for another edition of your favourite game show, 'Defend the Indefensible' and here's your host, Followyoudown. Could you provide a quick summary of what the debate the genocide amendment to the Trade Bill was concerning. I’ll give you a clue - it wasn’t actually about conducting trade. Trade Bill — After Clause 2 - Agreements with states accused of committing genocide
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 21, 2021 12:01:34 GMT
Could you provide a quick summary of what the debate the genocide amendment to the Trade Bill was concerning. I’ll give you a clue - it wasn’t actually about conducting trade. Trade Bill — After Clause 2 - Agreements with states accused of committing genocide Well that helps... Not. Let me enlighten you. The following taken from the BBC analysis... So should an elected Government be responsible for deciding if a country is committing genocide or should the unelected courts do that. I can see the argument on both sides. And both sides have good arguments that, as far as I can see, are apolitical. I would therefore have expected to see people from both sides of the house taking different positions - as seen in the Tory ranks. I’m surprised this isn’t reflected with Labour - I’m sure old school parliamentarians like Tony Benn, Tam Dalyell and others like them would have expected this to be something decided in Westminster rather than the Old Bailey. My suspicion is the labour leadership have seen an opportunity to weaponise this issue hoping to get the topic under debate falsely characterised as one of a question of support or not for the action of genocide.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 21, 2021 12:14:57 GMT
Trade Bill — After Clause 2 - Agreements with states accused of committing genocide Well that helps... Not. Let me enlighten you. The following taken from the BBC analysis... So should an elected Government be responsible for deciding if a country is committing genocide or should the unelected courts do that. I can see the argument on both sides. And both sides have good arguments that, as far as I can see, are apolitical. I would therefore have expected to see people from both sides of the house taking different positions - as seen in the Tory ranks. I’m surprised this isn’t reflected with Labour - I’m sure old school parliamentarians like Tony Benn, Tam Dalyell and others like them would have expected this to be something decided in Westminster rather than the Old Bailey. My suspicion is the labour leadership have seen an opportunity to weaponise this issue hoping to get the topic under debate falsely characterised as one of a question of support or not for the action of genocide. 33 members of its own party don't trust the government with making a decision on what constitutes genocide for the purpose of these trade deals, that in itself speaks volumes. Personally speaking I'd take the judgement of the High Court over these charlatans every day of the week, that's just my opinion......
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