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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2020 19:09:52 GMT
In the effort to " get Boris, get the Tories", I wonder if those who argue on behalf of the working class have missed the target, big time? I wonder which characters in current politics are actually close to the working class? It may not be as simple as it seems. The real "ememy" might be the political class, Labour and Conservative. ............. Mixed feelings in Government about the departure of Dominic Cummings Here's one aide: 'He is not everyone's cup of tea, but he's a winner. I worry that without him we will regress to being a party for rich southerners 'He genuinely cares about working class communities' He lies, cons, and manipulates the working class. They are merely useful idiots to Dom. I'm not sure about that Sheikh. At least he represents them on Brexit, which actually does matter to ordinary people, not as a hypothetical talking topic.. It seems to me that the alternative, Labour, is closer to the Tories ( Cameron , Osborne, Starmer and Thornberry would get on very well in respect of Brexit) than they are on the working class. Labour have become conformists. And it may be that the Tories without Cummings may have lost their nerve. As you were for the next generation.
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 13, 2020 19:25:02 GMT
In the effort to " get Boris, get the Tories", I wonder if those who argue on behalf of the working class have missed the target, big time? I wonder which characters in current politics are actually close to the working class? It may not be as simple as it seems. The real "ememy" might be the political class, Labour and Conservative. ............. Mixed feelings in Government about the departure of Dominic Cummings Here's one aide: 'He is not everyone's cup of tea, but he's a winner. I worry that without him we will regress to being a party for rich southerners 'He genuinely cares about working class communities' He’s definitely a different type of Tory. I suppose every side needs a ‘hate figure’ and because of Brexit (and being good at winning elections/refs) Cummings became the preferred hate figure on the left. Silly really because Labour should be adopting some of his ideas.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 13, 2020 19:25:09 GMT
He lies, cons, and manipulates the working class. They are merely useful idiots to Dom. I'm not sure about that Sheikh. At least he represents them on Brexit, which actually does matter to ordinary people, not as a hypothetical talking topic.. It seems to me that the alternative, Labour, is closer to the Tories ( Cameron , Osborne, Starmer and Thornberry would get on very well in respect of Brexit) than they are on the working class. Labour have become conformists. And it may be that the Tories without Cummings may have lost their nerve. As you were for the next generation. I'll go with Sophie's analysis, John. The Cummings family has done very well out of the pandemic, I'm sure they'll do equally well out of Brexit. He's about as much of a friend to the working class as Cholera, evidenced by the taxpayer having to compensate for his employment practices today and his continued council tax evasion.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2020 19:40:13 GMT
I'm not sure about that Sheikh. At least he represents them on Brexit, which actually does matter to ordinary people, not as a hypothetical talking topic.. It seems to me that the alternative, Labour, is closer to the Tories ( Cameron , Osborne, Starmer and Thornberry would get on very well in respect of Brexit) than they are on the working class. Labour have become conformists. And it may be that the Tories without Cummings may have lost their nerve. As you were for the next generation. I'll go with Sophie's analysis, John. The Cummings family has done very well out of the pandemic, I'm sure they'll do equally well out of Brexit. He's about as much of a friend to the working class as Cholera, evidenced by the taxpayer having to compensate for his employment practices today and his continued council tax evasion. Not that he was a politician, but most politicians do well out of politics, arguably the millionaires, the Kinnocks and Blair have done best of all out of exploring the working class, because they were dependent upon the Eirkinh class vote. Scarily hasn't done too badly either. The establishment needed a scapegoat over the last year and Cummings has fit the bill. I'm not saying thst he is a great moral character but I don't think that we should be fooled in thinking that anyone is really offering anything more radical that is challenging the status quo. It used to be that Labour had that role, all I seem to hear now from the Left is griping at Boris.
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Post by lordb on Nov 13, 2020 19:42:31 GMT
In the effort to " get Boris, get the Tories", I wonder if those who argue on behalf of the working class have missed the target, big time? I wonder which characters in current politics are actually close to the working class? It may not be as simple as it seems. The real "ememy" might be the political class, Labour and Conservative. ............. Mixed feelings in Government about the departure of Dominic Cummings Here's one aide: 'He is not everyone's cup of tea, but he's a winner. I worry that without him we will regress to being a party for rich southerners 'He genuinely cares about working class communities' Understand where you are coming from but there's still a clear distinction. If there wasn't you'd have the old Etonians e.t.c. packing out the Labour party too.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 13, 2020 19:46:05 GMT
In the effort to " get Boris, get the Tories", I wonder if those who argue on behalf of the working class have missed the target, big time? I wonder which characters in current politics are actually close to the working class? It may not be as simple as it seems. The real "ememy" might be the political class, Labour and Conservative. ............. Mixed feelings in Government about the departure of Dominic Cummings Here's one aide: 'He is not everyone's cup of tea, but he's a winner. I worry that without him we will regress to being a party for rich southerners 'He genuinely cares about working class communities' Working class communities were losing lives and jobs during Lockdown1 . Cummings showed how much he cared about the working class when he sat with a straight face and told that fucking nonsense about driving to test his eyesight. An utter cunt in it for himself.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2020 20:02:56 GMT
In the effort to " get Boris, get the Tories", I wonder if those who argue on behalf of the working class have missed the target, big time? I wonder which characters in current politics are actually close to the working class? It may not be as simple as it seems. The real "ememy" might be the political class, Labour and Conservative. ............. Mixed feelings in Government about the departure of Dominic Cummings Here's one aide: 'He is not everyone's cup of tea, but he's a winner. I worry that without him we will regress to being a party for rich southerners 'He genuinely cares about working class communities' Working class communities were losing lives and jobs during Lockdown1 . Cummings showed how much he cared about the working class when he sat with a straight face and told that fucking nonsense about driving to test his eyesight. An utter cunt in it for himself. I'm not defending his character. It's strange times when so called left supporters are constantly on side of the Establishment and follow the media lead to get ' the scapegoats. Perhaps it is the left supporters who have fallen for it hook , line and sinker.....you know, " it's great now, we've got the Dom"
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 13, 2020 22:45:24 GMT
Get Dom Gone
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Post by foster on Nov 13, 2020 23:03:07 GMT
When the going gets tough.... The tories jump ship.
Oh well.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 13, 2020 23:12:01 GMT
Should have gone earlier in the year.
The contempt and arrogance this man displayed to the nation was staggering, and yet the government tried to make excuses for him.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 13, 2020 23:14:25 GMT
Tory boys will miss Cummins
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 13, 2020 23:17:45 GMT
It's all a bit of a soap opera really isn't it? It's not like there's not a shit load of real work for the bunch of whiny tarts to be getting on with.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 13, 2020 23:29:25 GMT
It would appear his girlfriend really is calling the shots. This shit just goes from bad to worse. Surely we can get a vote of no confidence on the go before next summer?
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 14, 2020 1:57:24 GMT
Apparently he's been asked to work from home!!!
As if that is going to happen!
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2020 6:22:25 GMT
Working class communities were losing lives and jobs during Lockdown1 . Cummings showed how much he cared about the working class when he sat with a straight face and told that fucking nonsense about driving to test his eyesight. An utter cunt in it for himself. I'm not defending his character. It's strange times when so called left supporters are constantly on side of the Establishment and follow the media lead to get ' the scapegoats. Perhaps it is the left supporters who have fallen for it hook , line and sinker.....you know, " it's great now, we've got the Dom" Politics, these days, is all about personality not policy. Not to say personality hasn’t always been of significance but it seems it has never been more significant. The media love to have a figure to focus on, especially a Machiavellian one working in the shadows. There is of course one exception to this - which is Brexit. But it’s the exception that proves the rule.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 14, 2020 7:23:25 GMT
Just thinking with Cummings leaving so publicly what stats or reports the Tories tried to hide yesterday they must have been so damming
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 14, 2020 8:17:37 GMT
I'm not defending his character. It's strange times when so called left supporters are constantly on side of the Establishment and follow the media lead to get ' the scapegoats. Perhaps it is the left supporters who have fallen for it hook , line and sinker.....you know, " it's great now, we've got the Dom" Politics, these days, is all about personality not policy. Not to say personality hasn’t always been of significance but it seems it has never been more significant. The media love to have a figure to focus on, especially a Machiavellian one working in the shadows. There is of course one exception to this - which is Brexit. But it’s the exception that proves the rule. I agree with you 99% Leadership at whatever level is important. It is good when that leader or personality is saying what you want to hear. That's why Farage was successful, not shackled by any party lines, just says what he believes and many people can relate to him....but , leaving aside personality, if he was saying the" wrong things" then people would not get behind him. In a simple way, to be successful in my opinion both should go together. Labour and the Conservatives are always torn between what they believe, what others in the party believe, what they think that the electorate believe and what they think the electorate want to hear. People do need a leader to get behind of course and generally speaking like a leader to have the courage to speak out, as you indicate. I've no doubt that without Farage ther would never have been a referendum, let alone Brexit. I think, but of course don't know, that Cummings , despite being Machiavellian ( and sometimes brazen and stupid), as you say, might have been in touch with a few more ordinary people than he is given credit for. Churchill wasn't perfect.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 14, 2020 9:53:47 GMT
Just thinking with Cummings leaving so publicly what stats or reports the Tories tried to hide yesterday they must have been so damming Probably this one oh hang on.....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 14, 2020 10:29:24 GMT
Just thinking with Cummings leaving so publicly what stats or reports the Tories tried to hide yesterday they must have been so damming Probably this one oh hang on..... A dyed in the wool Tory, a party riddled and infested tit to toenail with Islamophobes, posting this with an apparent straight face is a new level of farce! How's that enquiry coming along? www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/07/tories-islamophobia-proud-muslims-scapegoat
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 14, 2020 10:30:57 GMT
My MP is actually a female bet that disappoints you Why would that be Joey ? try Capitals and full stops by the way.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 14, 2020 11:00:03 GMT
In the effort to " get Boris, get the Tories", I wonder if those who argue on behalf of the working class have missed the target, big time? I wonder which characters in current politics are actually close to the working class? It may not be as simple as it seems. The real "ememy" might be the political class, Labour and Conservative. ............. Mixed feelings in Government about the departure of Dominic Cummings Here's one aide: 'He is not everyone's cup of tea, but he's a winner. I worry that without him we will regress to being a party for rich southerners 'He genuinely cares about working class communities' Understand where you are coming from but there's still a clear distinction. If there wasn't you'd have the old Etonians e.t.c. packing out the Labour party too. Who could this be ? educated at University of Leeds · Guildhall School of Music and Drama · University of Oxford · Reigate Grammar School · St Edmund Hall
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 14, 2020 11:23:57 GMT
The usual hyperbollocks from sheiky considering how much racism went on under life long anti racist Corbyn its perhaos a good job the lifelong pacifist never got control of the armed services.... It is interesting you are not disputing this report, its not a smear, lie, exgarration, conspiracy, red tories and all the bs you came out with in regards to complaints from jewish labour members. I think you mean inquiry, the information is out there if you are that interested if they fail to deal with it in the same way corbyn did they will deserve everything they get.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 14, 2020 11:42:05 GMT
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 14, 2020 11:49:48 GMT
We all know that racism against mainly Caucasian people is more serious than racism against mainly BAME people. This is England, after all.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 14, 2020 11:49:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 12:02:59 GMT
The usual hyperbollocks from sheiky considering how much racism went on under life long anti racist Corbyn its perhaos a good job the lifelong pacifist never got control of the armed services.... It is interesting you are not disputing this report, its not a smear, lie, exgarration, conspiracy, red tories and all the bs you came out with in regards to complaints from jewish labour members. I think you mean inquiry, the information is out there if you are that interested if they fail to deal with it in the same way corbyn did they will deserve everything they get. You're ranting again. Of course this should be taken seriously, as all accusations of racism should. Why would any fair minded individual think otherwise? Although if the EHRC get involved I would expect them to allow Labour to conduct their own (non) inquiry like they did with the Tories......................
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 14, 2020 13:16:05 GMT
The usual hyperbollocks from sheiky considering how much racism went on under life long anti racist Corbyn its perhaos a good job the lifelong pacifist never got control of the armed services.... It is interesting you are not disputing this report, its not a smear, lie, exgarration, conspiracy, red tories and all the bs you came out with in regards to complaints from jewish labour members. I think you mean inquiry, the information is out there if you are that interested if they fail to deal with it in the same way corbyn did they will deserve everything they get. You're ranting again. Of course this should be taken seriously, as all accusations of racism should. Why would any fair minded individual think otherwise? Although if the EHRC get involved I would expect them to allow Labour to conduct their own (non) inquiry like they did with the Tories...................... Labour had 3 years+ and did nothing except try and downplay claims and smear the people complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 13:26:33 GMT
You're ranting again. Of course this should be taken seriously, as all accusations of racism should. Why would any fair minded individual think otherwise? Although if the EHRC get involved I would expect them to allow Labour to conduct their own (non) inquiry like they did with the Tories...................... Labour had 3 years+ and did nothing except try and downplay claims and smear the people complaining. Labour need to get their house in order. As do the Tories. Politics has become a cesspit and these people need ridding from it.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 14, 2020 13:31:14 GMT
Labour had 3 years+ and did nothing except try and downplay claims and smear the people complaining. Labour need to get their house in order. As do the Tories. Politics has become a cesspit and these people need ridding from it. Absolutely as I have said everytime it is mentioned if the tories dont sort it out they will deserve the same treatment as Labour.
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 14, 2020 13:36:20 GMT
See Cummings is to go by Christmas bet borris gos by end of Jan when he makes his money from crashing us out of Europe without a deal and in total chaos with carona Europe and inflation at record levels For those people not au fait with "Joey Speak" please allow me to attempt to translate. Concrete mixers often see badgers and pineapples alone at night, and get confused by the lack of potatoes on the motorway and in peoples washing machines. If people looked at reclining chairs the same as they look at extension leads then we can start to construct more libraries using leggo and play dough to make them look like fluffy sandcastles. Hope this helps...
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