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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 14, 2020 13:40:02 GMT
See Cummings is to go by Christmas bet borris gos by end of Jan when he makes his money from crashing us out of Europe without a deal and in total chaos with carona Europe and inflation at record levels For those people not au fait with "Joey Speak" please allow me to attempt to translate. Concrete mixers often see badgers and pineapples alone at night, and get confused by the lack of potatoes on the motorway and in peoples washing machines. If people looked at reclining chairs the same as they look at extension leads then we can start to construct more libraries using leggo and play dough to make them look like fluffy sandcastles. Hope this helps... Nice one, been trying to translate that all morning. Now it all makes sense. But I don’t agree with it😉
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 14, 2020 13:44:03 GMT
For those people not au fait with "Joey Speak" please allow me to attempt to translate. Concrete mixers often see badgers and pineapples alone at night, and get confused by the lack of potatoes on the motorway and in peoples washing machines. If people looked at reclining chairs the same as they look at extension leads then we can start to construct more libraries using leggo and play dough to make them look like fluffy sandcastles. Hope this helps... Nice one, been trying to translate that all morning. Now it all makes sense. But I don’t agree with it😉 Joey to English is a very difficult thing to translate, as he often uses nouns instead of pronouns and masculine words in place of feminine words, it took me longer to learn Joey Talk than it took Jean-François Champollion to decipher The Rosetta Stone.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 15, 2020 9:12:08 GMT
Labour need to get their house in order. As do the Tories. Politics has become a cesspit and these people need ridding from it. Absolutely as I have said everytime it is mentioned if the tories dont sort it out they will deserve the same treatment as Labour. How much time do you want racism in the Tory party gos back to 1960s en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 15, 2020 10:38:31 GMT
Whereas Labour are so anti racist they just accidentially continue to stumble into shit like this appearing alongside genocide deniers, truly heartfelt apology for the people of Uyghur scary how close they came to power.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2020 11:38:04 GMT
Whereas Labour are so anti racist they just accidentially continue to stumble into shit like this appearing alongside genocide deniers, truly heartfelt apology for the people of Uyghur scary how close they came to power. Shame that those actually in power, charged with actually doing something about it, continue to turn a blind eye to the plight of Uighur Muslims.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 15, 2020 12:13:34 GMT
Whereas Labour are so anti racist they just accidentially continue to stumble into shit like this appearing alongside genocide deniers, truly heartfelt apology for the people of Uyghur scary how close they came to power. Shame that those actually in power, charged with actually doing something about it, continue to turn a blind eye to the plight of Uighur Muslims. Really momo what would you like the uk to do ? Put sanctions on china, invade ? They have coordinated statements with countries they can but if the USA shows no interest and the EU has no real interest as they make alot of bmws in the same province. Its strange how certain voices in Labour cant say or do enough for palestians but for the uyghurs they have nothing to say its almost like there is another reason behind it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 15, 2020 12:19:04 GMT
Shame that those actually in power, charged with actually doing something about it, continue to turn a blind eye to the plight of Uighur Muslims. Really momo what would you like the uk to do ? Put sanctions on china, invade ? They have coordinated statements with countries they can but if the USA shows no interest and the EU has no real interest as they make alot of bmws in the same province. Its strange how certain voices in Labour cant say or do enough for palestians but for the uyghurs they have nothing to say its almost like there is another reason behind it. You do know what party is in power mate don't you?
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 15, 2020 22:46:07 GMT
Good way to avoid the press scrutiny on Cummings say you have been contacted by track and trace lol
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 16, 2020 13:09:23 GMT
Good way to avoid the press scrutiny on Cummings say you have been contacted by track and trace lol Are you for real essex boy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 13:28:11 GMT
Shame that those actually in power, charged with actually doing something about it, continue to turn a blind eye to the plight of Uighur Muslims. Really momo what would you like the uk to do ? Put sanctions on china, invade ? They have coordinated statements with countries they can but if the USA shows no interest and the EU has no real interest as they make alot of bmws in the same province. Its strange how certain voices in Labour cant say or do enough for palestians but for the uyghurs they have nothing to say its almost like there is another reason behind it. Forget Labour, there's a lot of hypocrisy the world over. It's not just Palestinians, Uyghur's, what about Rohingya, Kashmir? Why are people prepared to sit back and watch us arm the Saudis and train their military to inflict death and destruction on Yemen? We're all guilty in highlighting the ones that suit if truth be told. But actually let's get it all on the table, because it's not about political persuasion, it's about highlighting atrocities to our governments whose level of involvement tends to be based on selling weapons, or being the beneficiaries of their natural resources......
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 16, 2020 18:32:44 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 16, 2020 18:40:26 GMT
Shame that those actually in power, charged with actually doing something about it, continue to turn a blind eye to the plight of Uighur Muslims. Really momo what would you like the uk to do ? Put sanctions on china, invade ? They have coordinated statements with countries they can but if the USA shows no interest and the EU has no real interest as they make alot of bmws in the same province. Its strange how certain voices in Labour cant say or do enough for palestians but for the uyghurs they have nothing to say its almost like there is another reason behind it. Well we could start by blocking the millions of items of tat that enter the country from China And start researching how we can start to manufacture more in this country
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 16, 2020 19:10:57 GMT
Good way to avoid the press scrutiny on Cummings say you have been contacted by track and trace lol Are you for real essex boy. I suspect he is self-isolating as he's been told, but to be fair to Essex, he does have an awful lot of previous of going awol just when the shit hits the fan!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2020 19:28:56 GMT
Shame that those actually in power, charged with actually doing something about it, continue to turn a blind eye to the plight of Uighur Muslims. Really momo what would you like the uk to do ? Put sanctions on china, invade ? They have coordinated statements with countries they can but if the USA shows no interest and the EU has no real interest as they make alot of bmws in the same province. Its strange how certain voices in Labour cant say or do enough for palestians but for the uyghurs they have nothing to say its almost like there is another reason behind it. Maajid is an absolute hero. Love him. He is the only Lib Dem candidate I'd ever have voted for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 21:43:04 GMT
Really momo what would you like the uk to do ? Put sanctions on china, invade ? They have coordinated statements with countries they can but if the USA shows no interest and the EU has no real interest as they make alot of bmws in the same province. Its strange how certain voices in Labour cant say or do enough for palestians but for the uyghurs they have nothing to say its almost like there is another reason behind it. Maajid is an absolute hero. Love him. He is the only Lib Dem candidate I'd ever have voted for. He's gone a bit batshit crazy over the whole Trump vote fraud though.....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2020 22:01:33 GMT
At first I was of the view that Trump should stop moaning and accept defeat.
Maajid does kind of make a fair point though. While it's pretty obvious Trump lost, it was pretty creepy, weird and rogue state like how the media were so desperate to call the election in Biden's favour. The media hate Trump, I get it, but at the end of the day he's well within his rights to take it to the supreme courts.
Had it not been for covid Trump would have mopped up in that election. It annoys me that he said so many provocative, idiotic things during his tenure, because I loved so much of what he stood for in attacking (and defeating) the establishment, representing people who felt neglected, beating the shit out of the one sided media, woke big corporates, etc but he was just too often an idiot and took everything that bit too far, which he didn't need to. He had so much support in the US in 2016. Trump's legacy is a bloke who had such an amazing opportunity to bring about change after years of lethargic ineffectiveness from the likes of Bush and Obama and he completely fucked it by rash statements (rarely rash actions I should add) that have led to a hugely divided country and a totally shit, knackered president and a frankly hapless Vice President. She reminds me of how a Hollywood celeb would be if they gained power.
I know we probably won't agree on a fair bit of that btw Prestwich 😉
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 16, 2020 22:10:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 23:29:40 GMT
At first I was of the view that Trump should stop moaning and accept defeat. Maajid does kind of make a fair point though. While it's pretty obvious Trump lost, it was pretty creepy, weird and rogue state like how the media were so desperate to call the election in Biden's favour. The media hate Trump, I get it, but at the end of the day he's well within his rights to take it to the supreme courts. Had it not been for covid Trump would have mopped up in that election. It annoys me that he said so many provocative, idiotic things during his tenure, because I loved so much of what he stood for in attacking (and defeating) the establishment, representing people who felt neglected, beating the shit out of the one sided media, woke big corporates, etc but he was just too often an idiot and took everything that bit too far, which he didn't need to. He had so much support in the US in 2016. Trump's legacy is a bloke who had such an amazing opportunity to bring about change after years of lethargic ineffectiveness from the likes of Bush and Obama and he completely fucked it by rash statements (rarely rash actions I should add) that have led to a hugely divided country and a totally shit, knackered president and a frankly hapless Vice President. She reminds me of how a Hollywood celeb would be if they gained power. I know we probably won't agree on a fair bit of that btw Prestwich 😉 I agree actually, but for the Covid crisis I think Trump would have sneaked back in for a second term.......
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 16, 2020 23:33:16 GMT
At first I was of the view that Trump should stop moaning and accept defeat. Maajid does kind of make a fair point though. While it's pretty obvious Trump lost, it was pretty creepy, weird and rogue state like how the media were so desperate to call the election in Biden's favour. The media hate Trump, I get it, but at the end of the day he's well within his rights to take it to the supreme courts. Had it not been for covid Trump would have mopped up in that election. It annoys me that he said so many provocative, idiotic things during his tenure, because I loved so much of what he stood for in attacking (and defeating) the establishment, representing people who felt neglected, beating the shit out of the one sided media, woke big corporates, etc but he was just too often an idiot and took everything that bit too far, which he didn't need to. He had so much support in the US in 2016. Trump's legacy is a bloke who had such an amazing opportunity to bring about change after years of lethargic ineffectiveness from the likes of Bush and Obama and he completely fucked it by rash statements (rarely rash actions I should add) that have led to a hugely divided country and a totally shit, knackered president and a frankly hapless Vice President. She reminds me of how a Hollywood celeb would be if they gained power. I know we probably won't agree on a fair bit of that btw Prestwich 😉 I agree actually, but for the Covid crisis I think Trump would have sneaked back in for a second term....... It was the injecting disinfectant comment that was the big one for me. As soon as he said that you could just feel the world cringing. That comment alone probably cost him a few million votes.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2020 8:37:55 GMT
I agree actually, but for the Covid crisis I think Trump would have sneaked back in for a second term....... It was the injecting disinfectant comment that was the big one for me. As soon as he said that you could just feel the world cringing. That comment alone probably cost him a few million votes. I agree on Covid, without that he may well have sneaked back in. But you have to accept his handling of it has been appalling and that has played a huge part in his downfall. Other politicians have handled it much better and even come out smelling of roses from Covid, so it's not something that "just happened to him and hard luck". In fact, Trump is very like Bluffer in many ways as a politician - he appeals to the populist core and when things are going well, it all ticks along quite nicely and all the dodgy comments on race, taking the piss out of disabled people, fake news bollocks etc gets largely glossed over. However, in times of crisis, when you need a real politician and a leader to bring the country together behind him/her, Trump and Bluffer are shown up for what they are. People rapidly switch from laughing at him provoking the news media and other things they don't actually care about to what are you doing about my relatives dying? I think it's safe to say that rarely does populism result in positive outcomes for countries - you can go back to the 30s for the real dangers of it, then fast forward to Trump in America, Brexit/Johnson in the UK for more modern examples of where it gets you.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 17, 2020 9:43:25 GMT
It was the injecting disinfectant comment that was the big one for me. As soon as he said that you could just feel the world cringing. That comment alone probably cost him a few million votes. I agree on Covid, without that he may well have sneaked back in. But you have to accept his handling of it has been appalling and that has played a huge part in his downfall. Other politicians have handled it much better and even come out smelling of roses from Covid, so it's not something that "just happened to him and hard luck". In fact, Trump is very like Bluffer in many ways as a politician - he appeals to the populist core and when things are going well, it all ticks along quite nicely and all the dodgy comments on race, taking the piss out of disabled people, fake news bollocks etc gets largely glossed over. However, in times of crisis, when you need a real politician and a leader to bring the country together behind him/her, Trump and Bluffer are shown up for what they are. People rapidly switch from laughing at him provoking the news media and other things they don't actually care about to what are you doing about my relatives dying? I think it's safe to say that rarely does populism result in positive outcomes for countries - you can go back to the 30s for the real dangers of it, then fast forward to Trump in America, Brexit/Johnson in the UK for more modern examples of where it gets you. You're right, populism rarely does have positive results but every now and then it can be necessary if the establishment completely loses touch with the people. We shouldn't forget Trump's got less blood on his hands than pretty much any US president before him and initiated dialogue with rogue states like North Korea, Palestine etc while ripping up crap deals. He did solid things for the US economy and not just for the rich (more black and Hispanic Americans had jobs than ever before). But that said he was a ticking timbomb, overly unpredictable (being a bit unpredictable can be good) and kept saying dumb things which scared people. In reality, he almost never acted on these dumb things, as you say a bluffer. It's the things he said that cost him his job not the things he did.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 9:57:30 GMT
I agree on Covid, without that he may well have sneaked back in. But you have to accept his handling of it has been appalling and that has played a huge part in his downfall. Other politicians have handled it much better and even come out smelling of roses from Covid, so it's not something that "just happened to him and hard luck". In fact, Trump is very like Bluffer in many ways as a politician - he appeals to the populist core and when things are going well, it all ticks along quite nicely and all the dodgy comments on race, taking the piss out of disabled people, fake news bollocks etc gets largely glossed over. However, in times of crisis, when you need a real politician and a leader to bring the country together behind him/her, Trump and Bluffer are shown up for what they are. People rapidly switch from laughing at him provoking the news media and other things they don't actually care about to what are you doing about my relatives dying? I think it's safe to say that rarely does populism result in positive outcomes for countries - you can go back to the 30s for the real dangers of it, then fast forward to Trump in America, Brexit/Johnson in the UK for more modern examples of where it gets you. You're right, populism rarely does have positive results but every now and then it can be necessary if the establishment completely loses touch with the people. We shouldn't forget Trump's got less blood on his hands than pretty much any US president before him and initiated dialogue with rogue states like North Korea, Palestine etc while ripping up crap deals. He did solid things for the US economy and not just for the rich (more black and Hispanic Americans had jobs than ever before). But that said he was a ticking timbomb, overly unpredictable (being a bit unpredictable can be good) and kept saying dumb things which scared people. In reality, he almost never acted on these dumb things, as you say a bluffer. It's the things he said that cost him his job not the things he did. This is the essence of what Maajid Nawaz was saying on LBC recently... Massive rise in support for Trump cannot be ignored. He makes some good points particularly about separating policy and personality.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 10:20:32 GMT
You're right, populism rarely does have positive results but every now and then it can be necessary if the establishment completely loses touch with the people. We shouldn't forget Trump's got less blood on his hands than pretty much any US president before him and initiated dialogue with rogue states like North Korea, Palestine etc while ripping up crap deals. He did solid things for the US economy and not just for the rich (more black and Hispanic Americans had jobs than ever before). But that said he was a ticking timbomb, overly unpredictable (being a bit unpredictable can be good) and kept saying dumb things which scared people. In reality, he almost never acted on these dumb things, as you say a bluffer. It's the things he said that cost him his job not the things he did. This is the essence of what Maajid Nawaz was saying on LBC recently... Massive rise in support for Trump cannot be ignored. He makes some good points particularly about separating policy and personality. Absolutely, he also inadvertently quoted a far right website and was forced to apologise for not checking the source first. Which I wouldn't have an issue with normally as everyone is allowed to make mistakes, but he's spent the last 3 years vilifying certain individuals for doing similar.......
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 10:42:03 GMT
Absolutely, he also inadvertently quoted a far right website and was forced to apologise for not checking the source first. Which I wouldn't have an issue with normally as everyone is allowed to make mistakes, but he's spent the last 3 years vilifying certain individuals for doing similar....... Naughty Maajid. But his observation that people should separate policy from personality is a very good one. It’s the essence of this book I read a good few years ago... Thatcher and Sons: A Revolution in Three Acts which posits “John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are her heirs and acolytes”.
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Post by foster on Nov 17, 2020 10:58:20 GMT
I agree on Covid, without that he may well have sneaked back in. But you have to accept his handling of it has been appalling and that has played a huge part in his downfall. Other politicians have handled it much better and even come out smelling of roses from Covid, so it's not something that "just happened to him and hard luck". In fact, Trump is very like Bluffer in many ways as a politician - he appeals to the populist core and when things are going well, it all ticks along quite nicely and all the dodgy comments on race, taking the piss out of disabled people, fake news bollocks etc gets largely glossed over. However, in times of crisis, when you need a real politician and a leader to bring the country together behind him/her, Trump and Bluffer are shown up for what they are. People rapidly switch from laughing at him provoking the news media and other things they don't actually care about to what are you doing about my relatives dying? I think it's safe to say that rarely does populism result in positive outcomes for countries - you can go back to the 30s for the real dangers of it, then fast forward to Trump in America, Brexit/Johnson in the UK for more modern examples of where it gets you. You're right, populism rarely does have positive results but every now and then it can be necessary if the establishment completely loses touch with the people. We shouldn't forget Trump's got less blood on his hands than pretty much any US president before him and initiated dialogue with rogue states like North Korea, Palestine etc while ripping up crap deals. He did solid things for the US economy and not just for the rich (more black and Hispanic Americans had jobs than ever before). But that said he was a ticking timbomb, overly unpredictable (being a bit unpredictable can be good) and kept saying dumb things which scared people. In reality, he almost never acted on these dumb things, as you say a bluffer. It's the things he said that cost him his job not the things he did. Really? Do you know what the state of Syria is at the moment since the US stabbed the Kurds in the back and what's really going on there with fighting between Kurds, Turks, Russians and local militias. Not to mention whatever happened to those huge ISIS camps that had been setup. Less reporting of death and less US deaths maybe, but no way less bloodshed overall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 11:01:24 GMT
You're right, populism rarely does have positive results but every now and then it can be necessary if the establishment completely loses touch with the people. We shouldn't forget Trump's got less blood on his hands than pretty much any US president before him and initiated dialogue with rogue states like North Korea, Palestine etc while ripping up crap deals. He did solid things for the US economy and not just for the rich (more black and Hispanic Americans had jobs than ever before). But that said he was a ticking timbomb, overly unpredictable (being a bit unpredictable can be good) and kept saying dumb things which scared people. In reality, he almost never acted on these dumb things, as you say a bluffer. It's the things he said that cost him his job not the things he did. Really? Do you know what the state of Syria is at the moment since the US stabbed the Kurds in the back and what's really going on there with fighting between Kurds, Turks, Russians and local militias. Not to mention whatever happened to those huge ISIS camps that had been setup. Less reporting of death and less US deaths maybe, but no way less bloodshed overall. Change Syria to Libya and Obama has plenty of blood on his hands. Successive western governments our own included have been as bad as each other.............
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 17, 2020 11:10:12 GMT
You're right, populism rarely does have positive results but every now and then it can be necessary if the establishment completely loses touch with the people. We shouldn't forget Trump's got less blood on his hands than pretty much any US president before him and initiated dialogue with rogue states like North Korea, Palestine etc while ripping up crap deals. He did solid things for the US economy and not just for the rich (more black and Hispanic Americans had jobs than ever before). But that said he was a ticking timbomb, overly unpredictable (being a bit unpredictable can be good) and kept saying dumb things which scared people. In reality, he almost never acted on these dumb things, as you say a bluffer. It's the things he said that cost him his job not the things he did. Really? Do you know what the state of Syria is at the moment since the US stabbed the Kurds in the back and what's really going on there with fighting between Kurds, Turks, Russians and local militias. Not to mention whatever happened to those huge ISIS camps that had been setup. Less reporting of death and less US deaths maybe, but no way less bloodshed overall. I disagree. Don't get me wrong there's still been civilians dying under his watch in Iraq and Syria (both were utterly fucked with war long before Trump). He went really hard at isis in Mosul but he'd argue that was needed to beat Isis. And of course Isis are still setting up camps, but that's hardly Trump's fault. The Turk/Kurd fighting has been going on for decades. Find it hard to blame that on Trump either. As I say, there's been fighting that's been ongoing over the past 4 years but I bet if you look at the casualty rate inflicted by Trump than that of his predecessors, the numbers wouldn't even be close. Bush and Obama were dripping in blood. Trump is mother Theresa in comparison.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 11:14:48 GMT
Really? Do you know what the state of Syria is at the moment since the US stabbed the Kurds in the back and what's really going on there with fighting between Kurds, Turks, Russians and local militias. Not to mention whatever happened to those huge ISIS camps that had been setup. Less reporting of death and less US deaths maybe, but no way less bloodshed overall. I disagree. Don't get me wrong there's still been civilians dying under his watch in Iraq and Syria (both were utterly fucked with war long before Trump). He went really hard at isis in Mosul but he'd argue that was needed to beat Isis. And of course Isis are still setting up camps, but that's hardly Trump's fault. The Turk/Kurd fighting has been going on for decades. Find it hard to blame that on Trump either. As I say, there's been fighting that's been ongoing over the past 4 years but I bet if you look at the casualty rate inflicted by Trump than that of his predecessors, the numbers wouldn't even be close. Bush and Obama were dripping in blood. Trump is mother Theresa in comparison. Mother Theresa was no saint
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 17, 2020 11:22:05 GMT
I disagree. Don't get me wrong there's still been civilians dying under his watch in Iraq and Syria (both were utterly fucked with war long before Trump). He went really hard at isis in Mosul but he'd argue that was needed to beat Isis. And of course Isis are still setting up camps, but that's hardly Trump's fault. The Turk/Kurd fighting has been going on for decades. Find it hard to blame that on Trump either. As I say, there's been fighting that's been ongoing over the past 4 years but I bet if you look at the casualty rate inflicted by Trump than that of his predecessors, the numbers wouldn't even be close. Bush and Obama were dripping in blood. Trump is mother Theresa in comparison. Mother Theresa was no saintHa! 😅
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2020 11:52:09 GMT
Really? Do you know what the state of Syria is at the moment since the US stabbed the Kurds in the back and what's really going on there with fighting between Kurds, Turks, Russians and local militias. Not to mention whatever happened to those huge ISIS camps that had been setup. Less reporting of death and less US deaths maybe, but no way less bloodshed overall. I disagree. Don't get me wrong there's still been civilians dying under his watch in Iraq and Syria. He went really hard at isis in Mosul but he'd argue that was needed to beat Isis. And of course Isis are still setting up camps, but that's hardly Trump's fault. The Turk/Kurd fighting has been going on for decades. Find it hard to blame that on Trump either. As I say, there's been fighting that's been ongoing over the past 4 years but I bet if you look at the casualty rate inflicted by Trump than that of his predecessors, the numbers wouldn't even be close. Bush and Obama were dripping in blood. Trump is mother Theresa in comparison. Trump has been far less transparent in how the US record their military action: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207So there's no proof he has less blood on his hands. There's also not much proof for the opposite either - the truth is we simply don't know.
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