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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 22, 2023 11:12:48 GMT
Definition of bullying is “Bullying is when people deliberately use words or actions repeatedly against an individual or a group to cause physical, social and/or psychological harm. They usually want to make the person feel less powerful or helpless.” I’d say that even if it’s online it’s bullying and there are plenty of examples where people have been arrested for the more extreme cases. The footballers that were racially abused being an example. When people make comments they know nothing about the history of someone or their mental health. In the case of some they simply don’t care whether they know the person or not. Ultimately there’s always the option to come off social media but it’s difficult particularly for the young as for some it’s their main means of talking to their mates. Anonyminaty shouldn’t be a cover for bullying. Absolutely. Unfortunately Raab disagrees with you. He blames the victims of his bullying behaviour. It is their fault for being bullied. He shouldn’t be allowed to hold public office with his attitude. If he took responsibility, apologised, showed contrition, perhaps volunteered to take some management training, donated his severance pay to bullying charities etc then that would be totally different. But as usual with the tories, he doesn’t think rules apply to him. Don’t the civil servants know who he is!? He’s a tory. He’s above the law and rules and regulations and even when found to have breached them by an independent report, he still denies any wrongdoing and victim blames.
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 22, 2023 11:14:55 GMT
Definition of bullying is “Bullying is when people deliberately use words or actions repeatedly against an individual or a group to cause physical, social and/or psychological harm. They usually want to make the person feel less powerful or helpless.” I’d say that even if it’s online it’s bullying and there are plenty of examples where people have been arrested for the more extreme cases. The footballers that were racially abused being an example. When people make comments they know nothing about the history of someone or their mental health. In the case of some they simply don’t care whether they know the person or not. Ultimately there’s always the option to come off social media but it’s difficult particularly for the young as for some it’s their main means of talking to their mates. Anonyminaty shouldn’t be a cover for bullying. Absolutely. Unfortunately Raab disagrees with you. He blames the victims of his bullying behaviour. It is their fault for being bullied. He shouldn’t be allowed to hold public office with his attitude. If he took responsibility, apologised, showed contrition, perhaps volunteered to take some management training, donated his severance pay to bullying charities etc then that would be totally different. But as usual with the tories, he doesn’t think rules apply to him I’ve certainly got no issue with him being sacked if he’s been found to be a bully. I’ll have to have a look at the full details as Im not aware how bad it was.
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Post by franklin on Apr 22, 2023 11:25:03 GMT
I was asked if I thought what Rabb had done constituents bullying my opinion was no and is still no although I accept the result if the enquiry. However: Now I'm peddling two things you're right I'm holding those who condemned the abuse by Rabb to the same scrutiny of their behaviour towards me. You've used those same tactics on me (you're not the only one) that you condemned but I actually don't feel bullied I'm making a point. My opinion of bullying or a bully: A group of people or person who use abuse ,sarcasm and belittling behaviour to control another all of which I've been subject too in the last 24hrs. Do I believe there is bullying on here yes every day is there bullies on here yes there is and it's as clear as day. So to clarify at what point does the behaviour on here become bullying, well using the Rabb incident as a guide all the time and every day. I was asked if I thought what Rabb had done constituents bullying my opinion was no and is still no although I accept the result if the enquiry. However: Now I'm peddling two things you're right I'm holding those who condemned the abuse by Rabb to the same scrutiny of their behaviour towards me. You've used those same tactics on me (you're not the only one) that you condemned but I actually don't feel bullied I'm making a point. My opinion of bullying or a bully: A group of people or person who use abuse ,sarcasm and belittling behaviour to control another all of which I've been subject too in the last 24hrs. Do I believe there is bullying on here yes every day is there bullies on here yes there is and it's as clear as day. So to clarify at what point does the behaviour on here become bullying, well using the Rabb incident as a guide all the time and every day. Yeah ‘using sarcasm’ isn’t bullying mate. And it what way is it being done to ‘control you’? People are questioning your view, that isn’t the same thing. You again seem to be equating people disagreeing with and questioning you with Raab’s behaviour, it’s a complete false equivalence. You say that your opinion of a bully is someone who uses abuse and belittles people, but Raab’s been found guilty of just those things and you’re saying that isn’t bullying, how does that work? We'll have to agree to disagree have a lovely weekend.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 22, 2023 11:29:29 GMT
Absolutely. Unfortunately Raab disagrees with you. He blames the victims of his bullying behaviour. It is their fault for being bullied. He shouldn’t be allowed to hold public office with his attitude. If he took responsibility, apologised, showed contrition, perhaps volunteered to take some management training, donated his severance pay to bullying charities etc then that would be totally different. But as usual with the tories, he doesn’t think rules apply to him I’ve certainly got no issue with him being sacked if he’s been found to be a bully. I’ll have to have a look at the full details as Im not aware how bad it was. Well an independent senior employment law KC found that he was a bully. So that is pretty damning.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 22, 2023 11:38:09 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 22, 2023 11:51:19 GMT
Yeah ‘using sarcasm’ isn’t bullying mate. And it what way is it being done to ‘control you’? People are questioning your view, that isn’t the same thing. You again seem to be equating people disagreeing with and questioning you with Raab’s behaviour, it’s a complete false equivalence. You say that your opinion of a bully is someone who uses abuse and belittles people, but Raab’s been found guilty of just those things and you’re saying that isn’t bullying, how does that work? We'll have to agree to disagree have a lovely weekend. You seem to be disagreeing with yourself on this one. All the best.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 22, 2023 11:56:21 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 22, 2023 12:01:07 GMT
What we've seen will just be the tip of the iceberg with Raab. Many people will have taken his emotional bullying but will have said nothing because they have well paid jobs and don't want to lose their security of that decent job. It takes balls to report the behaviour of a powerful boss. Unfortunately for Raab, a few have had the balls to do it and that's why he's gone. But still the bastard is blaming everybody else except himself. What I do find sickening is that Patel was accused of worse things and nothing happened to her. So as far as I'm concerned, it's good riddance to bad rubbish.
To give it some balance, no matter what you thing of Corbyn and his policies, he's a highly principled man and has been treated far more badly by Starmer and his bunch of backstabbing acolytes.
OS.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2023 12:13:42 GMT
You seem to consider any questioning of your viewpoint ‘bullying’? You’re peddling two different, incompatible viewpoints here Franklin: 1) What the report concluded Raab was guilty of isn’t bullying to anyone made of ‘different stuff’ 2) Anyone questioning your opinion is a mean old bully? At least pick one, like? I was asked if I thought what Rabb had done constituents bullying my opinion was no and is still no although I accept the result if the enquiry. However: Now I'm peddling two things you're right I'm holding those who condemned the abuse by Rabb to the same scrutiny of their behaviour towards me. You've used those same tactics on me (you're not the only one) that you condemned but I actually don't feel bullied I'm making a point. My opinion of bullying or a bully: A group of people or person who use abuse ,sarcasm and belittling behaviour to control another all of which I've been subject too in the last 24hrs. Do I believe there is bullying on here yes every day is there bullies on here yes there is and it's as clear as day. So to clarify at what point does the behaviour on here become bullying, well using the Rabb incident as a guide all the time and every day. Using your definition of Bullying, The Mend Project define Deception and Lying as Abuse to achieve or retain power themendproject.com/6-types-of-lies-abusers-use/Based on any criteria this Administration has been guilty of Deception and Abuse in spades Is it any wonder when one of its Cheif Architects of this Abuse is "Hoisted on his own Petard" which means Poetic Justice, Shadenfreude if you like.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 22, 2023 12:53:26 GMT
What we've seen will just be the tip of the iceberg with Raab. Many people will have taken his emotional bullying but will have said nothing because they have well paid jobs and don't want to lose their security of that decent job. It takes balls to report the behaviour of a powerful boss. Unfortunately for Raab, a few have had the balls to do it and that's why he's gone. But still the bastard is blaming everybody else except himself. What I do find sickening is that Patel was accused of worse things and nothing happened to her. So as far as I'm concerned, it's good riddance to bad rubbish. To give it some balance, no matter what you thing of Corbyn and his policies, he's a highly principled man and has been treated far more badly by Starmer and his bunch of backstabbing acolytes. OS. You'll remember Mick, that the inquiry into Patel's bullying found her guilty but Johnson said that he simply didn't care what the report had found and she wasn't going anywhere, thus forcing the author of the report to resign. Absolute scumbags.
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Post by gawa on Apr 22, 2023 18:03:41 GMT
And, entirely as predicted, there we go.... Pretty woke headlines if you ask me.
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Post by gawa on Apr 22, 2023 18:21:04 GMT
Today I learned (from reading this thread):
- Dominic Raab is not a bully. - Leftie lawyers investigating Raab are bullies. - People who were bullied by Raab are civil servant activists who actually bullied Raab. - Those who think Raab is above the law and is allowed to bully others aren't bullies. And made differently. (of course suggesting you're made differently to someone else isn't bullying). - Anyone who reads the outcome of the report by the lawyer and can see elements of billying within it is also a bully.
Pretty sure it was implied that I'm also a bully because I used the word "lad". But someone belittling me saying they're "Built differently" isn't.
Built Different is a phrase used to suggest that a person is uniquely better than others in some way.
Anyway please don't quote my post because I'm done with this discussion. I don't need to waste my time explaining the obvious.
What's tomorrow's debate? Suella tells us all that grass is actually blue and if you don't believe it or point out the obvious then you're a bully.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 22, 2023 18:42:38 GMT
What we've seen will just be the tip of the iceberg with Raab. Many people will have taken his emotional bullying but will have said nothing because they have well paid jobs and don't want to lose their security of that decent job. It takes balls to report the behaviour of a powerful boss. Unfortunately for Raab, a few have had the balls to do it and that's why he's gone. But still the bastard is blaming everybody else except himself. What I do find sickening is that Patel was accused of worse things and nothing happened to her. So as far as I'm concerned, it's good riddance to bad rubbish. To give it some balance, no matter what you thing of Corbyn and his policies, he's a highly principled man and has been treated far more badly by Starmer and his bunch of backstabbing acolytes. OS. The only positive from this latest sorry episode in this government's already chequered history is that, where previously under the complete charlatan Boris Johnson anyone could effectively do anything because, even if the standards investigator found against you, he was the one who resigned!, at the very least Raab had the 'decency' to fall on his sword after being found guilty as charged. Admittedly, he'd already said he would do so, so nowhere really left for him to go, but I would not have expected the same from anyone under Johnson, regardless of what they'd said previously. Patel is a good example of the way Johnson's government approached standards. Unfortunately for Sunak, Braverman has carried on largely where she left off.
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Post by generationex on Apr 22, 2023 19:51:05 GMT
Raab’s like a coercive, manipulative husband who rejects the decision of the family court once the court refuses to be manipulated by him.
Before that he was all superficial charm and ‘of course I’ll resign if I’m found to be a bully’. His response after he’s told ‘no’ : Try to bully the tribunal and decision.
Classic psychopathic deflection behaviour.
If it looks like a psycho, talks like a psycho, it’s probably a psycho.
Why are so many of the current Tory party nutters and loons?
One nation Conservatives must be in despair.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Apr 22, 2023 21:38:39 GMT
Another excuse bullying is bullying. It's demonstrably not an excuse - as I suggested, it (bullying) is never OK. But the comparison is flawed. I choose to participate on here. I don't rely on participation to pay my mortgage or feed my family. If I felt bullied by a poster, I would have a number of options (none of them realistically available to someone in the workplace), including retaliation in kind or ending the dialogue. In my view the former is rarely a good idea - the latter is generally a much more effective way forward. Thankyou for putting what I was getting more effectively than I could have
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Post by wannabee on Apr 23, 2023 1:13:01 GMT
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Post by hotterpotter on Apr 23, 2023 7:12:35 GMT
Pretty woke headlines if you ask me. Not sure if they are woke, but it's certainly not news. Civil servants advise Ministers; Ministers make decisions, often as a result of discussing that advice with civil servants. It's possible to do so without being a dick about it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 23, 2023 7:23:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 7:34:54 GMT
I like: “trip to cousin’s branded shameless”. What a scumbag going off to see his family 😂
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 23, 2023 7:47:04 GMT
You’re just jealous !!!! 😂
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Post by elystokie on Apr 23, 2023 7:49:14 GMT
Using the word 'Shameless' casts a shadow over the characters of that famous TV show, they'd be gutted to have their name besmirched by the association with this bunch of corrupt crooks 😄
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 23, 2023 8:19:41 GMT
Raab’s like a coercive, manipulative husband who rejects the decision of the family court once the court refuses to be manipulated by him. Before that he was all superficial charm and ‘of course I’ll resign if I’m found to be a bully’. His response after he’s told ‘no’ : Try to bully the tribunal and decision. Classic psychopathic deflection behaviour. If it looks like a psycho, talks like a psycho, it’s probably a psycho. Why are so many of the current Tory party nutters and loons? One nation Conservatives must be in despair. That sounds rather like the Owen Paterson scandal, doesn't it. Found guilty of, let's remind ourselves, "some of the most egregious examples of parliamentary lobbying for some time" and what does the government do? Call into question the standards committee and Johnson orders his MPs in a three line whip to vote in favour of Paterson (quickly reversed to a free vote owing to the outrage). Born to rule these lot, always thinking they are above the standards and laws that apply to the little people and amazingly, to me at least, there are millions of little people desperate to keep these people doing this stuff.
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 23, 2023 9:08:48 GMT
The Freeports should probably have their own thread, they're going to be ruinous for vast swathes of the country (not London obvs)
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Post by wannabee on Apr 23, 2023 9:40:06 GMT
Raab’s like a coercive, manipulative husband who rejects the decision of the family court once the court refuses to be manipulated by him. Before that he was all superficial charm and ‘of course I’ll resign if I’m found to be a bully’. His response after he’s told ‘no’ : Try to bully the tribunal and decision. Classic psychopathic deflection behaviour. If it looks like a psycho, talks like a psycho, it’s probably a psycho. Why are so many of the current Tory party nutters and loons? One nation Conservatives must be in despair. That sounds rather like the Owen Paterson scandal, doesn't it. Found guilty of, let's remind ourselves, "some of the most egregious examples of parliamentary lobbying for some time" and what does the government do? Call into question the standards committee and Johnson orders his MPs in a three line whip to vote in favour of Paterson (quickly reversed to a free vote owing to the outrage). Born to rule these lot, always thinking they are above the standards and laws that apply to the little people and amazingly, to me at least, there are millions of little people desperate to keep these people doing this stuff. This Article gives an insight into how deeply interwoven these chancers are There have been two recurring themes in recent political history. Johnson crystallised a sense of rich and powerful people acting with assumed impunity; Sunak, the weak prefect, seems so accustomed to such behaviour that he can’t figure out how to stop it. But this story blurs into something even bigger: a chain of people safely bound into absurd networks of privilege have taken endlessly stupid decisions, knowing that their wealth and connections mean they will never have to worry about the consequences. This is the essential story of how we were led out of the European Union by such privately educated chancers as Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Nigel Farage, Dominic Cummings and the former Tory MEP Daniel Hannan. It also applies to the years of austerity instigated by Cameron, George Osborne and Nick Clegg. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/29/elitist-leadership-zahawi-schools-britain
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Post by gawa on Apr 23, 2023 9:41:44 GMT
Always someone else's fault. Is there anyone left who isn't a wokie Leftie? Activist civil servants, militant nurses,lazy rail workers, Leftie lawyers, selfish post men. The tories may as well just call an election now tbh. Seems the whole population are now woke, tofu eating, unable to define a woman, snowflake, militant, lefite, cancel culture activists.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 23, 2023 9:46:00 GMT
Always someone else's fault. Is there anyone left who isn't a wokie Leftie? Activist civil servants, militant nurses,lazy rail workers, Leftie lawyers, selfish post men. The tories may as well just call an election now tbh. Seems the whole population are now woke, tofu eating, unable to define a woman, snowflake, militant, lefite, cancel culture activists. You make some valid points, but when it comes to establishing who or what is woke we will need to send this one to Badger for VAR decision.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 23, 2023 9:52:50 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 23, 2023 9:57:48 GMT
Always someone else's fault. Is there anyone left who isn't a wokie Leftie? Activist civil servants, militant nurses,lazy rail workers, Leftie lawyers, selfish post men. The tories may as well just call an election now tbh. Seems the whole population are now woke, tofu eating, unable to define a woman, snowflake, militant, lefite, cancel culture activists. You missed out Champagne Socialist, Virtue Signaller, and North London Town-House Dweller - otherwise you could legitimately stand up theatrically and yell " HOUSE!"
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Post by gawa on Apr 23, 2023 10:06:10 GMT
Always someone else's fault. Is there anyone left who isn't a wokie Leftie? Activist civil servants, militant nurses,lazy rail workers, Leftie lawyers, selfish post men. The tories may as well just call an election now tbh. Seems the whole population are now woke, tofu eating, unable to define a woman, snowflake, militant, lefite, cancel culture activists. You make some valid points, but when it comes to establishing who or what is woke we will need to send this one to Badger for VAR decision. Is he not the one that supports Farage the snowflake? How can a snowflake super fan know what's woke. I think we need more Joe Bidens because we know he's sleepy so he's defo not woke yet.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2023 10:08:51 GMT
You make some valid points, but when it comes to establishing who or what is woke we will need to send this one to Badger for VAR decision. Is he not the one that supports Farage the snowflake? How can a snowflake super fan know what's woke. I think we need more Joe Bidens because we know he's sleepy so he's defo not woke yet. Now now, let’s not fall out 😀
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