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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 11:13:25 GMT
28 complaints, over 8 incidents across 3 departments. Sunak should never have appointed him because it was obvious he would be sacked / resigning over this. Perhaps Sunak will give the other established bully, Priti Patel, Raab’s job! The problem the Conservatives have at the moment is that within their current crop of MPs there are very few people of any standing that haven't already been shown to either be incompetent, corrupt, or both. Michael Fabricant could be in the running at this rate 😂 Tbf he looks a bit like Boris so maybe that would work for them.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 21, 2023 12:49:19 GMT
Sunak has show he's got no bottle. Letting Raab resign instead of firing him. The only thing our second unelected PM is a world leader in, is creating a financial crisis. Where's that government of integrity you promised, Rishi? Just as bad as Johnson was*. Not really surprising since you were right there at the heart of it all while it was going on. Two serving PMs convicted of offences while in office. Tory Britain 2023. *Perhaps not quite - he didn't fire the standards investigator instead of Raab. Needs work, Rishi, needs work.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 21, 2023 13:27:03 GMT
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 14:00:04 GMT
So the DUP had the cheek to come to my house today and canvas for local elections. Fair to say I give them a bit of my mind. Will update later haha
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Post by foster on Apr 21, 2023 14:31:38 GMT
So the DUP had the cheek to come to my house today and canvas for local elections. Fair to say I give them a bit of my mind. Will update later haha I hope not too much mate or there won't be any left.
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 15:06:12 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 21, 2023 16:21:31 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. Looks like I’ll be receiving my P45 soon if that’s the case👀
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 21, 2023 16:24:43 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. I get some of that about my posts
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 17:25:24 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. I get some of that about my posts I shall be making hundreds of bullying reports 😁
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 21, 2023 17:27:43 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. I get some of that about my posts Bloody hell, Raab's more hands on as justice secretary than I realised.
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 19:02:21 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. Looks like I’ll be receiving my P45 soon if that’s the case👀 Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. I get some of that about my posts What do yous think about Raab? Injustice?
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 19:11:11 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. Looks like I’ll be receiving my P45 soon if that’s the case👀 I get some of that about my posts What do yous think about Raab? Injustice? If that's bullying millions or workers best hand their notice in.
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 19:12:50 GMT
So the DUP had the cheek to come to my house today and canvas for local elections. Fair to say I give them a bit of my mind. Will update later haha Basically they were canvasing for local elections and gave me a leaflet. I gave it back to him and said "sorry not interested and won't be voting you. The nhs is a shambles and we're in a cost of living crisis and you lot won't even do your job" And he goes "can I at least talk to you" So I was like "aye no sweat go ahead you deserve the opportunity to say your piece" So he says that as its local elections he's not responsible for what goes on in Stormont and the nhs is Westminster issue and can't be solved in Stormont. So I told him "well the ni protocol can't be solved in Stormont either. And it was you who campaigned for brexit. And now we have kids school meals being cancelled during holidays too" And then he tries to blame the tories again so I reminded him that it was his party who propped the tory government up in 2017. And that his party also voted against free school meals for kids during holiday in Westminster before Rashford campaigned for it. I then offered to shake his hand and told him "Thank you for taking the time to chat but that's why I won't be voting for your party. And while I agree you're not responsible for all of that, you are responsible for the party which you choose to represent. Best of luck for your campaign." I appreciate the fact that instead of walking away he wanted to hear my views and take the barrage so I'll give him that. People don't really follow politics much where I'm from so maybe he thought he could win me round by blaming the tories. It felt good anyway to say my piece. Even if that's a bit sad to some lol
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 21, 2023 19:15:47 GMT
Shocking fancy saying somebody's work was useless and woeful the bullying twat. Looks like I’ll be receiving my P45 soon if that’s the case👀 I get some of that about my posts What do yous think about Raab? Injustice? Not at all whatever the party or person I can’t abide bullying. You?
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 19:33:33 GMT
What do yous think about Raab? Injustice? If that's bullying millions or workers best hand their notice in. But that's only one part of the report. He was sacked due to multiple findings such as: - Intimidating and persistently aggressive in meetings. - Abuse and misuse of power to undermine and humiliate others - went beyond what was necessary to add effect to his decisions and introduced a punishment element. - His behaviour was bound to make others feel undermined and humiliated without doubt and that he would have been aware of this at the time. - his conduct was abusive - would extend his hands out to people's faces mid sentence to make them stop talking - Tried to suggest servants were breaching ministerial code and threatened to sack them as they'd be in breach of contract when it wasn't the case. That along with the other stuff you posted seems like workplace bullying to me. Describing someone's work as woeful as a one off isn't bullying. Taking things out of context to defend an abusive, intimidating, punitive, humiliation inflicting, aggressive individual could be seen as defending bullying to. Is Dominic Raab really worth that defence? Is any MP worth that defence left or right?
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 19:38:42 GMT
What do yous think about Raab? Injustice? Not at all whatever the party or person I can’t abide bullying. You? Agree with precisely that. I feel though some are trying to turn his behaviour into another "everyone's so woke" now conversation and play it down by focusing on one phrase from the report. Even the BBC were suggesting a new debate on what is bullying ffs. It winds me up that there's an excuse every time and some people just read the one headline and take it as truth. Sorry I'm probably over reacting a bit. For what it's worth it wouldn't surprise me to see similar investigations into some labour MPs because there has been some dodgy stuff going on there too recently imo. Dominic Raab isn't worth anyone wasting their breath defending though.
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 20:02:27 GMT
If that's bullying millions or workers best hand their notice in. But that's only one part of the report. He was sacked due to multiple findings such as: - Intimidating and persistently aggressive in meetings. - Abuse and misuse of power to undermine and humiliate others - went beyond what was necessary to add effect to his decisions and introduced a punishment element. - His behaviour was bound to make others feel undermined and humiliated without doubt and that he would have been aware of this at the time. - his conduct was abusive - would extend his hands out to people's faces mid sentence to make them stop talking - Tried to suggest servants were breaching ministerial code and threatened to sack them as they'd be in breach of contract when it wasn't the case. That along with the other stuff you posted seems like workplace bullying to me. Describing someone's work as woeful as a one off isn't bullying. Taking things out of context to defend an abusive, intimidating, punitive, humiliation inflicting, aggressive individual could be seen as defending bullying to. Is Dominic Raab really worth that defence? Is any MP worth that defence left or right? We must be made of different stuff.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 21, 2023 20:06:12 GMT
But that's only one part of the report. He was sacked due to multiple findings such as: - Intimidating and persistently aggressive in meetings. - Abuse and misuse of power to undermine and humiliate others - went beyond what was necessary to add effect to his decisions and introduced a punishment element. - His behaviour was bound to make others feel undermined and humiliated without doubt and that he would have been aware of this at the time. - his conduct was abusive - would extend his hands out to people's faces mid sentence to make them stop talking - Tried to suggest servants were breaching ministerial code and threatened to sack them as they'd be in breach of contract when it wasn't the case. That along with the other stuff you posted seems like workplace bullying to me. Describing someone's work as woeful as a one off isn't bullying. Taking things out of context to defend an abusive, intimidating, punitive, humiliation inflicting, aggressive individual could be seen as defending bullying to. Is Dominic Raab really worth that defence? Is any MP worth that defence left or right? We must be made of different stuff. His behaviour has been clearly identified as unacceptable, he should have been sacked yesterday.
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 20:14:46 GMT
We must be made of different stuff. His behaviour has been clearly identified as unacceptable, he should have been sacked yesterday. See above.
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Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2023 20:18:17 GMT
But that's only one part of the report. He was sacked due to multiple findings such as: - Intimidating and persistently aggressive in meetings. - Abuse and misuse of power to undermine and humiliate others - went beyond what was necessary to add effect to his decisions and introduced a punishment element. - His behaviour was bound to make others feel undermined and humiliated without doubt and that he would have been aware of this at the time. - his conduct was abusive - would extend his hands out to people's faces mid sentence to make them stop talking - Tried to suggest servants were breaching ministerial code and threatened to sack them as they'd be in breach of contract when it wasn't the case. That along with the other stuff you posted seems like workplace bullying to me. Describing someone's work as woeful as a one off isn't bullying. Taking things out of context to defend an abusive, intimidating, punitive, humiliation inflicting, aggressive individual could be seen as defending bullying to. Is Dominic Raab really worth that defence? Is any MP worth that defence left or right? We must be made of different stuff. What does that mean? It's an open and shut case re Raab
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 20:25:37 GMT
But that's only one part of the report. He was sacked due to multiple findings such as: - Intimidating and persistently aggressive in meetings. - Abuse and misuse of power to undermine and humiliate others - went beyond what was necessary to add effect to his decisions and introduced a punishment element. - His behaviour was bound to make others feel undermined and humiliated without doubt and that he would have been aware of this at the time. - his conduct was abusive - would extend his hands out to people's faces mid sentence to make them stop talking - Tried to suggest servants were breaching ministerial code and threatened to sack them as they'd be in breach of contract when it wasn't the case. That along with the other stuff you posted seems like workplace bullying to me. Describing someone's work as woeful as a one off isn't bullying. Taking things out of context to defend an abusive, intimidating, punitive, humiliation inflicting, aggressive individual could be seen as defending bullying to. Is Dominic Raab really worth that defence? Is any MP worth that defence left or right? We must be made of different stuff. We most certainly are. I won't let any of my bosses humiliate, abuse, threaten, undermine or belittle me in anyway. That's the problem though too many people scared to stand up for themselves. Just because you'll let your boss talk to you like shit doesn't mean it's normal lad.
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 20:29:18 GMT
We must be made of different stuff. We most certainly are. I won't let any of my bosses humiliate, abuse, threaten, undermine or belittle me in anyway. That's the problem though too many people scared to stand up for themselves. Just because you'll let your boss talk to you like shit doesn't mean it's normal lad. Lad ! Thanks dad.
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 20:33:13 GMT
We must be made of different stuff. We most certainly are. I won't let any of my bosses humiliate, abuse, threaten, undermine or belittle me in anyway. That's the problem though too many people scared to stand up for themselves. Just because you'll let your boss talk to you like shit doesn't mean it's normal lad. On a serious note calling me "lad" I find inappropriate and belittling to a chap of my age which is exactly the behaviour you claim as abhorrent.
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 20:49:38 GMT
We most certainly are. I won't let any of my bosses humiliate, abuse, threaten, undermine or belittle me in anyway. That's the problem though too many people scared to stand up for themselves. Just because you'll let your boss talk to you like shit doesn't mean it's normal lad. On a serious note calling me "lad" I find inappropriate and belittling to a chap of my age which is exactly the behaviour you claim as abhorrent. I'm sorry that's offended you, I have no idea what age you are. Where I'm from the phrase lad is used indiscriminately and means man which I presume you are. I'll take note not to use it in future when talking to you so I don't cause further offense.
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2023 20:53:33 GMT
On a serious note calling me "lad" I find inappropriate and belittling to a chap of my age which is exactly the behaviour you claim as abhorrent. I'm sorry that's offended you, I have no idea what age you are. Where I'm from the phrase lad is used indiscriminately and means man which I presume you are. I'll take note not to use it in future when talking to you so I don't cause further offense. Too late resign immediately unacceptable behaviour lots of presumptions leading to gross misconduct 😁
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Post by Han Solo on Apr 21, 2023 21:02:06 GMT
We most certainly are. I won't let any of my bosses humiliate, abuse, threaten, undermine or belittle me in anyway. That's the problem though too many people scared to stand up for themselves. Just because you'll let your boss talk to you like shit doesn't mean it's normal lad. On a serious note calling me "lad" I find inappropriate and belittling to a chap of my age which is exactly the behaviour you claim as abhorrent. There has to be some respect for those at the top though. I have to say the best supervisors and teachers I’ve had have all commanded a bit of respect without them being what I’d class as bullies. Did I hate them sometimes? Yes. Did I respect them and did they make me better? Yes. Was Alex Ferguson a bully? Some would say yes. Was he respected? Yes. Liked? By most yes. Successful and got the best out of his players? Yes. Working in Schools one of the biggest issues is a lack of respect. Swearing at teachers powerless to do anything because the kids think they can say what they want (especially to the short in service) and call them what they want. It’s all about balance and whether you want to be successful. There has to be a limit in relation to bullying but you can’t have bosses that are walkovers or nothing will get done by the workers.
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Post by gawa on Apr 21, 2023 21:11:14 GMT
I'm sorry that's offended you, I have no idea what age you are. Where I'm from the phrase lad is used indiscriminately and means man which I presume you are. I'll take note not to use it in future when talking to you so I don't cause further offense. Too late resign immediately unacceptable behaviour lots of presumptions leading to gross misconduct 😁 Only if you let me humiliate and abuse you first. I want to give you the all inclusive package 🤣
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 21, 2023 21:14:46 GMT
But that's only one part of the report. He was sacked due to multiple findings such as: - Intimidating and persistently aggressive in meetings. - Abuse and misuse of power to undermine and humiliate others - went beyond what was necessary to add effect to his decisions and introduced a punishment element. - His behaviour was bound to make others feel undermined and humiliated without doubt and that he would have been aware of this at the time. - his conduct was abusive - would extend his hands out to people's faces mid sentence to make them stop talking - Tried to suggest servants were breaching ministerial code and threatened to sack them as they'd be in breach of contract when it wasn't the case. That along with the other stuff you posted seems like workplace bullying to me. Describing someone's work as woeful as a one off isn't bullying. Taking things out of context to defend an abusive, intimidating, punitive, humiliation inflicting, aggressive individual could be seen as defending bullying to. Is Dominic Raab really worth that defence? Is any MP worth that defence left or right? We must be made of different stuff. What would you consider bullying then? Does it not count unless you’re flushing someone’s head down a toilet?
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Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2023 21:14:49 GMT
On a serious note calling me "lad" I find inappropriate and belittling to a chap of my age which is exactly the behaviour you claim as abhorrent. There has to be some respect for those at the top though. I have to say the best supervisors and teachers I’ve had have all commanded a bit of respect without them being what I’d class as bullies. Did I hate them sometimes? Yes. Did I respect them and did they make me better? Yes. Was Alex Ferguson a bully? Some would say yes. Was he respected? Yes. Liked? By most yes. Successful and got the best out of his players? Yes. Working in Schools one of the biggest issues is a lack of respect. Swearing at teachers powerless to do anything because the kids think they can say what they want (especially to the short in service) and call them what they want. It’s all about balance and whether you want to be successful. There has to be a limit in relation to bullying but you can’t have bosses that are walkovers or nothing will get done by the workers. The best ones are not bullies steel sure but the bullies are bad teachers and poor managers As you say balance is important re Raab it's perfectly clear he is a bully and a poor managers well as being a terrible minister The remaining issue is Sunak failing to sack another disfunctional bullying idiot of a minister
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 21, 2023 21:35:01 GMT
He’s a man of his word is Dominic Raaaab, a man of his angry, angry words.
He said he’d resign if there was evidence of bullying - despite the numerous complaints they “only” found two incidents but at least he kept his word.
Still though, at least no one’s getting sucked into his hyperbole about it not being bullying, just some friendly encouragement by shouting and verbally abusing people in a fast paced environment….
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