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Post by BristolMick on Sept 30, 2017 8:20:18 GMT
Correct. The global appeal and main selling point is the top clubs. Fuck them off and we'd be fighting for the scraps and relying mainly on the money they decide to give us. It would be like Welsh football...their biggest teams playing elsewhere reaping the benefits of more income, whilst the rest fade to being an insignificant little spot on the arse of football. But hey, at least the 200 who turn up to see Porthmadog Town vs Denbigh Town can see proper nogger eh Finally an intelligent and articulate fellow posterđ There is nothing intelligent about wanting a system that makes it less likely that your club will ever be able to win anything meaningful. A system that consigns us as make weight fodder to make it look like the super rich are winning something meaningful. The good of the game is at stake here. English football has never been so awash with money but clubs like us have never had less chance of winning the league, even European qualification is getting harder. Then look down the leagues and into non league, how is all this money benefiting clubs? In short the answer is little or nothing because once you go below the second tier, clubs are as poor as they have always been and generally live a hand to mouth existence. The FA needs to act in the interests of the game not the elite players and clubs, it should be dictating a far more even spread of any money and if the top clubs donât like it they will be deauthorised to play in any FA ,UEFA or FIFA competition ever again as will players who play for said clubs. Just like âKerry Packers circusâ and ostracised forever they would wither and die once everyone got bored with the same few participants playing each other all the time.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 30, 2017 9:18:51 GMT
Sky want Liverpool to play Arsenal on Christmas Eve ,Liverpool not to happy about it
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Post by salopstick on Sept 30, 2017 10:27:57 GMT
Sky want Liverpool to play Arsenal on Christmas Eve ,Liverpool not to happy about it You take the money do as your fucking told
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Post by liathroid on Sept 30, 2017 11:15:03 GMT
Sky want Liverpool to play Arsenal on Christmas Eve ,Liverpool not to happy about it You take the money do as your fucking told yes ,he who pays the piper calls the tune
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Post by stonymcfc on Oct 1, 2017 1:46:40 GMT
Very disappointed that my club was in favour of this. Turkeys voting for Christmas is the best analogy I can think of. The Prem is loved around the world because of it's unpredictability. On their day, any team can beat another. Taking money from the poorer clubs and giving even more to the rich ones is just cementing the lucky few at the top.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 1, 2017 1:57:54 GMT
Very disappointed that my club was in favour of this. Turkeys voting for Christmas is the best analogy I can think of. The Prem is loved around the world because of it's unpredictability. On their day, any team can beat another. Taking money from the poorer clubs and giving even more to the rich ones is just cementing the lucky few at the top. Good point mate. It's just greedy. And despite developments in the last forty years, greed ISN"T good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:04:54 GMT
American football imploded not so long ago,so did baseball, it's coming to premier league football, it cometh soon. What happened with American football? (This isn't me being an arse - I'm ignorant about it but interested) I had a quick Google but couldn't find anything relevant.
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Post by waffles on Oct 1, 2017 13:31:18 GMT
American football imploded not so long ago,so did baseball, it's coming to premier league football, it cometh soon. What happened with American football? (This isn't me being an arse - I'm ignorant about it but interested) I had a quick Google but couldn't find anything relevant. Steroids, other drugs, players beating wives up, one taking a gun into the changing room, bribes, child abuse, ex criminals being allowed to play, racism, concussion. It's coming and some are already here, too much money.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 1, 2017 13:41:24 GMT
Stop televised football
Make it a rule every club must field eleven players born within fifty miles of the ground
Let the money sort itself out
Will never happen
Shame... Would be brilliant for youth football... The England team... And the fans
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 21:04:22 GMT
What happened with American football? (This isn't me being an arse - I'm ignorant about it but interested) I had a quick Google but couldn't find anything relevant. Steroids, other drugs, players beating wives up, one taking a gun into the changing room, bribes, child abuse, ex criminals being allowed to play, racism, concussion. It's coming and some are already here, too much money. Ah so just a general shitstorm of miscellaneous horrible behaviour. I thought you meant some change in the way the NFL finances were handled. Ta for elaborating.
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Post by TexasPotter on Oct 2, 2017 1:50:19 GMT
Fuck the big 6 make em share. If they bring in such a volume for TV rights tell their fucking merchandise teams to get going then to pull away from the others. Greedy scroats.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 2, 2017 3:20:50 GMT
Stop televised football Make it a rule every club must field eleven players born within fifty miles of the ground Let the money sort itself out Will never happen Shame... Would be brilliant for youth football... The England team... And the fans Wouldn't make a big deal of difference to the England team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 9:08:52 GMT
Five miles from the ground in the case of manure!
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Post by waffles on Oct 2, 2017 15:44:25 GMT
If you read Ashley Coles book from about ten years ago, he claimed that arsenal were offering him "slave wages" of 10's of thousands of pounds a week, apparently "I almost crashed my brand new Bentley" 10 years ago we lived in a world of black professional footballers who thought it was acceptable to throw the word "slave" around to make a point, the England team will, and always will be shit, professional footballers play for England to make money, there's no other reason to bother. I'm a fan of mark Hughes, but even he says "I'm a premiership manager in charge of Stoke city, not I'm the Stoke city manager. The cash is all important and to be fair if I had the opportunity I would feed at the trough. Let's not kid anybody.
Waffles, news at ten, Campbell road. Stoke. đ
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Post by stonymcfc on Oct 2, 2017 19:44:48 GMT
It's looking increasingly likely that Netlix and Amazon will be entering the bidding for the tv rights. From an armchair supporters perspective the short term benefits are fantastic. You'll be able to watch every match live on tv, your pc or your phone. The downside is that the clubs already established with worldwide audiences will get more people watching and I suspect a larger proportion of the cash. The Prem has a lot of thinking to do. They have already fucked up with FFP rules that hugely benefit the clubs at the top. Making it less likely for other clubs to be able to attract new investment. If a genuinely ambitious billionaire wants to buy a club but won't be allowed to invest in it to make challenge for the top, then what is the point? All you get are owners who want to stay in the Prem and take millions in dividends out each year. Making rules to keep the rich clubs rich, and signing tv deals that will do the same will eventually make the league stale. The unpredictability will go and with it the armchair fans and their money.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 2, 2017 19:56:50 GMT
If you read Ashley Coles book from about ten years ago, he claimed that arsenal were offering him "slave wages" of 10's of thousands of pounds a week, apparently "I almost crashed my brand new Bentley" 10 years ago we lived in a world of black professional footballers who thought it was acceptable to throw the word "slave" around to make a point, the England team will, and always will be shit, professional footballers play for England to make money, there's no other reason to bother. I'm a fan of mark Hughes, but even he says "I'm a premiership manager in charge of Stoke city, not I'm the Stoke city manager. The cash is all important and to be fair if I had the opportunity I would feed at the trough. Let's not kid anybody. Waffles, news at ten, Campbell road. Stoke. đ Just one problem with this statement I think that all England players give there appearance money to a charity link
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Post by mrred on Oct 4, 2017 11:07:50 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 4, 2017 12:23:14 GMT
Pick 4 delusional fan bases who may think they are in with a chance of the top six! "Newcastle could join West Ham, Leicester and Everton in voting with the Big Six.............." Shows the distinct lack of ambition we have, we are not voting for it! Coates out! (BB mode off)
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 4, 2017 14:59:07 GMT
If you read Ashley Coles book from about ten years ago, he claimed that arsenal were offering him "slave wages" of 10's of thousands of pounds a week, apparently "I almost crashed my brand new Bentley" 10 years ago we lived in a world of black professional footballers who thought it was acceptable to throw the word "slave" around to make a point, the England team will, and always will be shit, professional footballers play for England to make money, there's no other reason to bother. I'm a fan of mark Hughes, but even he says "I'm a premiership manager in charge of Stoke city, not I'm the Stoke city manager. The cash is all important and to be fair if I had the opportunity I would feed at the trough. Let's not kid anybody. Waffles, news at ten, Campbell road. Stoke. đ Just one problem with this statement I think that all England players give there appearance money to a charity linkThey may well do but it doesn't stop the little darlings from raking in the profits from advertising themselves as international footballers What sells more look at me look at me I'm a second rate stopper at a London franchise ran by dildo salesman by the shampoo it really works Or I'm the England no1 keeper it will keep your hair as well The players and agents use playing for their country's for nothing more than to advance the brand The brand being themselves
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 4, 2017 15:48:34 GMT
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Post by wuzza on Oct 4, 2017 15:53:38 GMT
Eventually this will get through. Hardly any clubs now have English owners and hence they have no buy-in to the history and character of the game in this country. The only supporters that matter are those sitting in arm chairs watching the adverts that run before , during and after the game. Self inflicted wounds but the game as we knew it is now all but dead and the future is some horrible Euro Super League type thingy watched on-line by those that still give a damn.
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Post by chad on Oct 4, 2017 15:57:39 GMT
I can see a time when after 56 years I just say âfuck itâ whatâs the point anymore
And sadly I donât think that time is to far away
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 5, 2017 11:20:13 GMT
Well said Henry
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Post by woodstein on Oct 5, 2017 12:02:22 GMT
I read Watford and black & white scum (pukecastle) could join them. Who the feck are they?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 6, 2017 12:53:17 GMT
Let's see how many people want to watch a 6 team league. Let them go it alone. That's not how it would work. Going alone is not what the big six want. The big six clearly support (drooling at the thought) of a European Super Legaue composed of all the big teams in Europe. No promotion or relegation, means income security and the other teams will be locked out. It's the American model, supported by big TV companies. It's been coming for years. Don't like it, don't want it but it's the only logical way for the big teams to grow the pie.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 6, 2017 12:54:56 GMT
Finally an intelligent and articulate fellow posterđ There is nothing intelligent about wanting a system that makes it less likely that your club will ever be able to win anything meaningful. A system that consigns us as make weight fodder to make it look like the super rich are winning something meaningful. The good of the game is at stake here. English football has never been so awash with money but clubs like us have never had less chance of winning the league, even European qualification is getting harder. Then look down the leagues and into non league, how is all this money benefiting clubs? In short the answer is little or nothing because once you go below the second tier, clubs are as poor as they have always been and generally live a hand to mouth existence. The FA needs to act in the interests of the game not the elite players and clubs, it should be dictating a far more even spread of any money and if the top clubs donât like it they will be deauthorised to play in any FA ,UEFA or FIFA competition ever again as will players who play for said clubs. Just like âKerry Packers circusâ and ostracised forever they would wither and die once everyone got bored with the same few participants playing each other all the time. You've missed the point of the post/ He's not saying he supports the idea, he's just pointing out the direction things are going.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 6, 2017 12:58:34 GMT
All the smaller PL teams should vote for equal TV money distribution amongst all teams, a robust salary cap and strict enforcement of contracts (no poaching of players and no re-negatiations of contracts until the last 3 months of the contract).
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 6, 2017 13:59:19 GMT
Let's see how many people want to watch a 6 team league. Let them go it alone. That's not how it would work. Going alone is not what the big six want. The big six clearly support (drooling at the thought) of a European Super Legaue composed of all the big teams in Europe. No promotion or relegation, means income security and the other teams will be locked out. It's the American model, supported by big TV companies. It's been coming for years. Don't like it, don't want it but it's the only logical way for the big teams to grow the pie. I honestly think the top 6 would come crawling back with their tails between their legs after 4 or 5 years of a European Super League. It would probably be a hit in the Far East, I don't detect any thirst for it in this country or Europe as the appalling viewing figures for the mind numbing repetitiveness of the Champions League testifies. People will simply not be arsed to watch Arsenal V AC Milan 4 times a year in a league based on the American model.
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Post by Davef on Oct 6, 2017 14:05:36 GMT
That's not how it would work. Going alone is not what the big six want. The big six clearly support (drooling at the thought) of a European Super Legaue composed of all the big teams in Europe. No promotion or relegation, means income security and the other teams will be locked out. It's the American model, supported by big TV companies. It's been coming for years. Don't like it, don't want it but it's the only logical way for the big teams to grow the pie. I honestly think the top 6 would come crawling back with their tails between their legs after 4 or 5 years of a European Super League. It would probably be a hit in the Far East, I don't detect any thirst for it in this country or Europe as the appalling viewing figures for the mind numbing repetitiveness of the Champions League testifies. People will simply not be arsed to watch Arsenal V AC Milan 4 times a year in a league based on the American model. You're falling into the trap there of thinking that the top clubs give even one shit about their paying - and especially away - supporters.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 6, 2017 15:07:38 GMT
I honestly think the top 6 would come crawling back with their tails between their legs after 4 or 5 years of a European Super League. It would probably be a hit in the Far East, I don't detect any thirst for it in this country or Europe as the appalling viewing figures for the mind numbing repetitiveness of the Champions League testifies. People will simply not be arsed to watch Arsenal V AC Milan 4 times a year in a league based on the American model. You're falling into the trap there of thinking that the top clubs give even one shit about their paying - and especially away - supporters. I don't doubt their disdain for anything but profit dave but I'm not sure a European Super League would be as paved with gold as they imagine.
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