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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 28, 2017 9:23:34 GMT
If it wasnt for the benefit to the city of being in this league and lnked to them I'd happily take the championship , sadly there is a lot more riding on things than our Saturdays these days but they will push for more and more , the sooner they are fucked off to a european franchise league the better from a football perspective
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 28, 2017 9:26:35 GMT
Correct. The global appeal and main selling point is the top clubs. Fuck them off and we'd be fighting for the scraps and relying mainly on the money they decide to give us. It would be like Welsh football...their biggest teams playing elsewhere reaping the benefits of more income, whilst the rest fade to being an insignificant little spot on the arse of football. But hey, at least the 200 who turn up to see Porthmadog Town vs Denbigh Town can see proper nogger eh Finally an intelligent and articulate fellow poster😁 I go to quite a few local games and to be honest they are becoming more enjoyable than the prem games in many cases football has been hijacked by big business and its not better for it
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Post by marrer on Sept 28, 2017 9:32:16 GMT
It surprises me how domestic rights are worth more than international rights. Contrary to popular belief the Premier League's telly money distribution is lots fairer than most other countries equivalents. That should be protected and fought for. True, those six clubs are the biggest global attraction BUT so what? It's in their interest to help the smaller clubs along. Although, given how some reacted to Lester's title victory a lot of fans would support a change to make them even richer. I presume Joe that you are referring to Lester Piggot's victory on Red Rum at the Grand National???
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 28, 2017 9:42:52 GMT
It surprises me how domestic rights are worth more than international rights. Contrary to popular belief the Premier League's telly money distribution is lots fairer than most other countries equivalents. That should be protected and fought for. True, those six clubs are the biggest global attraction BUT so what? It's in their interest to help the smaller clubs along. Although, given how some reacted to Lester's title victory a lot of fans would support a change to make them even richer. I presume Joe that you are referring to Lester Piggot's victory on Red Rum at the Grand National??? I thought Piggsy was a flat jockey. Can they do both?
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Post by Davef on Sept 28, 2017 9:49:53 GMT
Yep. Man City wer generally quite popular because they weren't the shit and their supporters had a homely mancness about them. Looking wider, Paris suddenly being hailed as a mega club is utter bollox. Traditionally Parisians don't like football and think it's beneath them because they prefer art galleries and expensive coffee. Then the Qatarians appear and they think they are Real Madrid. That PSG-Bayern match last night was like a Playstation game.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 28, 2017 10:02:13 GMT
Yep. Man City wer generally quite popular because they weren't the shit and their supporters had a homely mancness about them. Looking wider, Paris suddenly being hailed as a mega club is utter bollox. Traditionally Parisians don't like football and think it's beneath them because they prefer art galleries and expensive coffee. Then the Qatarians appear and they think they are Real Madrid. That PSG-Bayern match last night was like a Playstation game. PSG, despite having some bloody marvellous players, ooze soullessness. Of the money clubs they are by far the most sickening. I used to enjoy watching Neymar. Playstation games yes, that's a good description.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 10:14:20 GMT
Well personally, I'm sick to death of the media love in for these top clubs. Hour after hour of bull shine about them, especially after one of their wins, like you know who last night. I am falling out of love for the game as it stands. I really am considering giving it up. Seriously!
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Sept 28, 2017 10:49:45 GMT
Yep. Man City wer generally quite popular because they weren't the shit and their supporters had a homely mancness about them. Looking wider, Paris suddenly being hailed as a mega club is utter bollox. Traditionally Parisians don't like football and think it's beneath them because they prefer art galleries and expensive coffee. Then the Qatarians appear and they think they are Real Madrid. That PSG-Bayern match last night was like a Playstation game. I dont understand the reference?
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 28, 2017 11:52:14 GMT
What about a wage cap system and a maximum spend on new players in each window? That is a suggestion I would like to see brought forward! I also think more of the TV money should go to the lower divisions and not only (almost today) to the PL clubs! If this doesn't happen I'm afraid football can become too predictable for new generations!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 12:05:12 GMT
Fuck 'em off. It's gone way past the point where any of the top 6 clubs' achievements were anything to do with anything other than the money they're getting. It's a massive cliche, but it's the truth that it's just not a sport anymore. Let them go. They're only going to go on getting bigger and bigger and richer and richer while the rest of us play a bit part, getting more and more desperate and disappointed while the very smaller clubs bankrupt themselves trying to get anywhere near the golden falseness of the Premier League. Time to cut the ties. If the game folds without them, then they were right to think that they're bigger than the game. And if they really are bigger than the game and we're as worthless as some people seem to be suggesting, then it's time we all found something more worthwhile and meaningful to do than to continually pay over the odds just to wipe the bigger clubs arses for them. Make it happen. Wave them goodbye!
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Post by polofrance on Sept 28, 2017 12:15:07 GMT
The international rights bubble will burst sooner rather than later, In France they sold out to a mobile phone operator who will only provide you the service if you have one of their boxes and a fibre optic line. (not possible in the French countryside) I'm in Central America for business and I had the choice of Bundersliga, La Liga, French league or even Celtic v Rangers this weekend not one EPL match shown live unless you pay for a subscription channel.
The more the people watch the other leagues for free the less they talk about the EPL.
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Post by stokienorthants on Sept 28, 2017 14:04:00 GMT
Finally an intelligent and articulate fellow poster😁 You can already put 3 clubs in a bag and say one of them will win the title, you then add another four and you've got your top seven and you think making it even more uncompetitive is a good thing for the product? A very strange view. Presumably neither Blackburn or Leicester would never have been in this mythical bag of yours despite winning the title. Just because my view differs from yours doesn't necessarily make it strange. No one has a monopoly of spouting bollocks but with over 28k posts you must be fucking close.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 28, 2017 14:08:35 GMT
You can already put 3 clubs in a bag and say one of them will win the title, you then add another four and you've got your top seven and you think making it even more uncompetitive is a good thing for the product? A very strange view. Presumably neither Blackburn or Leicester would never have been in this mythical bag of yours despite winning the title. Just because my view differs from yours doesn't necessarily make it strange. No one has a monopoly of spouting bollocks but with over 28k posts you must be fucking close. You do realise that this arrangement will make the glorious snowflake in hells chances you list even less likely don't you? You sound like the sort of supporter who might well have a 'second team'.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 28, 2017 14:13:18 GMT
I think the so-called BIG 6 need to get their own houses in order rather than continually demanding more income.
Pogba deal where 40M when to the agent is one example of many.
More TV revenue just means more money in the pockets of average football players and their agents.
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Post by stokienorthants on Sept 28, 2017 14:23:12 GMT
Presumably neither Blackburn or Leicester would never have been in this mythical bag of yours despite winning the title. Just because my view differs from yours doesn't necessarily make it strange. No one has a monopoly of spouting bollocks but with over 28k posts you must be fucking close. You do realise that this arrangement will make the glorious snowflake in hells chances you list even less likely don't you? You sound like the sort of supporter who might well have a 'second team'. No mate a true Stokie for over 50 years although when I was at Woolly Grammar we played the Vale in a friendly at the Vic and lost 3-2. I was devastated and supported Chelsea for a couple of days until I saw sense. You are sort of right as I do have a second team.........Stoke City Reserves or whatever they've called nowadays 😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 14:33:13 GMT
I find it strange to bring up Blackburn here as the only reason they won the league was because of the relatively insane amount of money they spent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 15:51:24 GMT
Just read a bit in the paper about this malarkey. In a nutshell IMHO, the big clubs want more of the money brought in, because they bring in the most viewing figures. The so and so's should be able to create a scenario where other clubs,( not necessarily Stoke), should have a fairer chance of getting the better players at said clubs, to improve their chances of getting a bigger share of the viewing figures, so everyone, and I mean everyone gets a piece of the cake. However IMHO, they do not want this, and want to keep all the cream for themselves. As far as I'm concerned, I hope it blows up in their greedy faces. I am very close to calling it a day, and there must be a hell of a lot more like me!
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Post by samba :) on Sept 28, 2017 15:53:31 GMT
Thats an extra 0.8 ish percent each, why are they so desperate
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Post by waffles on Sept 28, 2017 15:57:11 GMT
American football imploded not so long ago,so did baseball, it's coming to premier league football, it cometh soon.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 28, 2017 16:11:55 GMT
American football imploded not so long ago,so did baseball, it's coming to premier league football, it cometh soon. I'd tend to agree but all mid to top leagues in Europe are on the same boat, so if it crashes it will have a knock on effect across the continent.
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Post by 3putts on Sept 28, 2017 16:32:58 GMT
Actually, why can't the 14 vote them out of the league? Seems a much better idea to me. Fantastic idea, the rest of the world would be salivating over fixtures such as Burnley v Brighton and Huddersfield v Bournemouth, we need them as much as they need us. couldnt care less what the rest of the world think brighton,huddersfield,bournemouth, burnley have earned the right to play in english footballs top flight. fuck the big 6 off with their multitude squads and ever increasing wage bills. then the rest of us could get back to normality and develop a truly competetive league.with strict finance rules to stop some other mega rich foreigner from playing with a football team because hes bored. cant happen soon enough for me.
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Post by 3putts on Sept 28, 2017 16:36:19 GMT
I presume Joe that you are referring to Lester Piggot's victory on Red Rum at the Grand National??? I thought Piggsy was a flat jockey. Can they do both? some "job jockeys" do boith flkat and jumps but most dont and lester piggot certainly never rode red rum in the national [besides he wouldnt have time with fiddling his tax returns]
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 28, 2017 17:47:21 GMT
Thats an extra 0.8 ish percent each, why are they so desperate The original post on the thread was misleading. What is proposed (by the top 6) is that, instead of all 20 clubs getting the same from International rights, all clubs will get an equal share of 65% of the International rights and 35% of the international rights money would be paid as merit payments based on league position - as already happens with the domestic TV rights money.
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Post by samba :) on Sept 28, 2017 18:11:12 GMT
Thats an extra 0.8 ish percent each, why are they so desperate The original post on the thread was misleading. What is proposed (by the top 6) is that, instead of all 20 clubs getting the same from International rights, all clubs will get an equal share of 65% of the International rights and 35% of the international rights money would be paid as merit payments based on league position - as already happens with the domestic TV rights money. thats fair enough imo I'd be happy with that so long as the proportions were equal. it could benefit stoke if we were nineth.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 28, 2017 18:26:24 GMT
The original post on the thread was misleading. What is proposed (by the top 6) is that, instead of all 20 clubs getting the same from International rights, all clubs will get an equal share of 65% of the International rights and 35% of the international rights money would be paid as merit payments based on league position - as already happens with the domestic TV rights money. thats fair enough imo I'd be happy with that so long as the proportions were equal. it could benefit stoke if we were nineth. I haven't seen anything to say that the increments would be equal.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 28, 2017 18:32:32 GMT
I thought Piggsy was a flat jockey. Can they do both? some "job jockeys" do boith flkat and jumps but most dont and lester piggot certainly never rode red rum in the national [besides he wouldnt have time with fiddling his tax returns] Piggot rode plenty over hurdles early on. Won at the Cheltenham Festival and placed in the Triumph Hurdle I think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 22:43:27 GMT
Money fucks up everything in the end.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2017 23:00:20 GMT
some "job jockeys" do boith flkat and jumps but most dont and lester piggot certainly never rode red rum in the national [besides he wouldnt have time with fiddling his tax returns] Piggot rode plenty over hurdles early on. Won at the Cheltenham Festival and placed in the Triumph Hurdle I think. Correct; I have tried to find a record of his early racing career without success. I remember watching TV in the early 60s with my father who was a racing fanatic, and he was interviewed about his career; something he very rarely did. His record over the sticks was phenomenal. I can't remember the numbers, but he won a very high % of the races he rode in; I mean he was rarely beaten he was that good. He only rode for a few seasons before going 100% flat racing. The Piggotts were a Cheshire farming family who in the 1870s ran the Crown Inn in Nantwich for at least 40 years. www.imdb.com/name/nm3106292/bioen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Hotel,_Nantwich
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2017 23:01:27 GMT
I find it strange to bring up Blackburn here as the only reason they won the league was because of the relatively insane amount of money they spent. They spent big however they also put together a team not just names.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 30, 2017 8:06:42 GMT
Fantastic idea, the rest of the world would be salivating over fixtures such as Burnley v Brighton and Huddersfield v Bournemouth, we need them as much as they need us. Correct. The global appeal and main selling point is the top clubs. Fuck them off and we'd be fighting for the scraps and relying mainly on the money they decide to give us. It would be like Welsh football...their biggest teams playing elsewhere reaping the benefits of more income, whilst the rest fade to being an insignificant little spot on the arse of football. But hey, at least the 200 who turn up to see Porthmadog Town vs Denbigh Town can see proper nogger eh The reason the Far East love the premier league is because of betting. They love to bet on everything and prefer the premier league because they believe it has an integrity of sport (we may disagree). The top clubs may sell more merch there but there is usually just as much interest in stoke v Southampton as utd v Chelsea. So fuck them
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