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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2017 12:11:39 GMT
Who would you employ instead? The only manager I wanted us to get was Silva at Hull. He's now at Watford It's not my job to find a replacement, that's what we have a Chief Exec for. I agree with you regarding Silva though.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 12:15:33 GMT
Who would you employ instead? The only manager I wanted us to get was Silva at Hull. He's now at Watford It's not my job to find a replacement, that's what we have a Chief Exec for. I agree with you regarding Silva though. No it isn't and I wasn't suggesting it was. What I'm saying is there are a lack of decent managers available right now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 12:17:32 GMT
Ever likely the media have field day with how the pathetic of fans treat the team they are supposed to support
Yes some things have to be said....but a lot that is said is shallow and pathetic
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2017 12:17:43 GMT
It's not my job to find a replacement, that's what we have a Chief Exec for. I agree with you regarding Silva though. No it isn't and I wasn't suggesting it was. What I'm saying is there are a lack of decent managers available right now There are if you limit yourself to the usual suspects in this country.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 12:19:53 GMT
No it isn't and I wasn't suggesting it was. What I'm saying is there are a lack of decent managers available right now There are if you limit yourself to the usual suspects in this country. Like who? Only notable two I can think of are Pardew who I wouldn't want and doubt Wagner would leave Huddersfield
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 13, 2017 12:20:13 GMT
The idea that the club won't back Hughes with funds is clearly rubbish: 1 No club in it's right mind would hold on to a manager they don't trust. 2 Hughes is clearly a proud man. If Hughes thought he wasn't trusted he would walk. 3 When it comes to managers Coates is loyal, straightforward and when push comes to shove will make the tough decisions. If Coates wanted Hughes gone he would have told him to his face - not undermine him by withholding funds. 4 Not to give the manager the funds they need (within the clubs budget) is cutting your nose off to spite yourself. Or just plain stupid - and Coates isn't stupid. You don't want Hughes as manager. Everybody gets that. But towing this line just demonstrates your bitterness regarding Hughes is completely clouding your judgement. You have gone beyond reason - you are simply spouting bile to hammer home an opinion that the majority of Stoke supporters do not share. Even fans who have doubts about Hughes get the situation and recognise that undermining the manager and the team does no-one any favours. If you really can't bear what's going on stay away until things change - which will happen one day. All you are doing at the moments is demonstrating that you consider supporting your poorly thought out opinions to be more important than supporting the club and what it is trying to achieve - which, believe it or not, isn't easy. Hughes is here until both parties agree to move on or we look like genuine relegation candidates - which will be Xmas at the earliest. Your opinions amount to nothing more than a particularly smelly but insignificant fart in a hurricane. Deal with it. Another intelligent post by you. 👍 But you're wasting your time with Crapslinger. <<<<< What a **** 😂
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2017 12:20:46 GMT
There are if you limit yourself to the usual suspects in this country. Like who? Only notable two I can think of are Pardew who I wouldn't want and doubt Wagner would leave Huddersfield That's why I said 'in this country'.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 13, 2017 12:35:33 GMT
Another intelligent post by you. 👍 But you're wasting your time with Crapslinger. <<<<< What a **** 😂 Oh i forgot !.....And a ***** 😉 😁
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 14:26:08 GMT
He was gash last season which is why Arnie left. Dog shit! Haha you thick fuck !!! Arnie bailed out chasing the bucks and nothing else Chasing an extra 25k? Don't be a ****. Although you do look like one. Canny, that.
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 14:30:07 GMT
Do you honestly think Arnie left for 25k more? No fkin chance. Take a look at West Ham's buys! So an extra 1.3 million a year in wages and whatever signing on fee wasn't an incentive??? But he would have earned that here if we had shown the ambition West Ham have. We told him we would be more ambitious. Obviously that was a load of old bollocks so he left. I can't blame him.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 13, 2017 14:31:01 GMT
Nobody is crowing but hughes needs to show a bit of humility You can't pick a guy up top who hasn't scored in about forty games in the premier league. Even Huddersfield town have spent 11 million on mounie from montpellier. That's the league we play in. All hughes has to do is say you win some ( arnie) and you lose some ( Berahino) and sign someone, if not at the level of lacazette ( arsenal) Then at the very least the level of mounie ( Huddersfield town) Give the players and the fans a boost and get on with our season. Are you saying Berahino's career is over? Because the only way he will come good and get his confidence back is to play games.
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 14:31:28 GMT
He was gash last season which is why Arnie left. Dog shit! Bullshit Arny left for more money I don't agree. More money came with a move for success. It's very easy to understand really.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 14:50:12 GMT
So an extra 1.3 million a year in wages and whatever signing on fee wasn't an incentive??? But he would have earned that here if we had shown the ambition West Ham have. We told him we would be more ambitious. Obviously that's was a load of old bollocks so he left. I can't blame him. He moved for the money. Plain and simple. West Ham are a bigger club but there goals are the same as ours. Try not to get into a relegation scrap consolidate in mid table and maybe just maybe win a cup. Would you have said he was worth the payrise?? Personally based on last season I would have said no
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 15:18:23 GMT
But he would have earned that here if we had shown the ambition West Ham have. We told him we would be more ambitious. Obviously that's was a load of old bollocks so he left. I can't blame him. He moved for the money. Plain and simple. West Ham are a bigger club but there goals are the same as ours. Try not to get into a relegation scrap consolidate in mid table and maybe just maybe win a cup. Would you have said he was worth the payrise?? Personally based on last season I would have said no I think he is overrated but my point is he wanted to leave for success. The extra money comes with that. West Ham have signed players to try and realise their potential.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 15:34:59 GMT
He moved for the money. Plain and simple. West Ham are a bigger club but there goals are the same as ours. Try not to get into a relegation scrap consolidate in mid table and maybe just maybe win a cup. Would you have said he was worth the payrise?? Personally based on last season I would have said no I think he is overrated but my point is he wanted to leave for success. The extra money comes with that. West Ham have signed players to try and realise their potential. The extra money does not come with success necessarily. If he believes he's good enough to win trophies why have no side that would be realistically challenging not come in for him? Abroad or domestic??
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 13, 2017 15:44:14 GMT
Why don't they just stay away?? It's dead simple The thread title is as daft as "First game and the Hughes apologists are already looking for excuses". Two sides of the same coin, with people trying to close down any debate that doesn't suit their agenda.
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 16:03:38 GMT
I think he is overrated but my point is he wanted to leave for success. The extra money comes with that. West Ham have signed players to try and realise their potential. The extra money does not come with success necessarily. If he believes he's good enough to win trophies why have no side that would be realistically challenging not come in for him? Abroad or domestic?? He's not the best so that's why the best didn't come in for him. West Ham have spent a lot of money and to be fair they have signed good players. I would say they are demonstrating ambition. We, on the other-hand...
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 16:06:19 GMT
The extra money does not come with success necessarily. If he believes he's good enough to win trophies why have no side that would be realistically challenging not come in for him? Abroad or domestic?? He's not the best so that's why the best didn't come in for him. West Ham have spent a lot of money and to be fair they have signed good players. I would say they are demonstrating ambition. We, on the other-hand... Are yet to see the end of the transfer window. We might show some intent, we might not. Why not reserve judgment on the clubs transfer policy until after that period??
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 13, 2017 16:10:15 GMT
He's not the best so that's why the best didn't come in for him. West Ham have spent a lot of money and to be fair they have signed good players. I would say they are demonstrating ambition. We, on the other-hand... Are yet to see the end of the transfer window. We might show some intent, we might not. Why not reserve judgment on the clubs transfer policy until after that period?? because we already have had a month of the window and by then its to late and why kebabs it that late to show intent its more like panic buying to me
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 16:14:59 GMT
He's not the best so that's why the best didn't come in for him. West Ham have spent a lot of money and to be fair they have signed good players. I would say they are demonstrating ambition. We, on the other-hand... Are yet to see the end of the transfer window. We might show some intent, we might not. Why not reserve judgment on the clubs transfer policy until after that period?? This isn't about me and my judgement of Stoke's policy for signing players. This is about Arnie jumping because we were not spending when he expected us to be spending. Apparently he signed his contract extension with us based on promises made by the club.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 16:21:01 GMT
Are yet to see the end of the transfer window. We might show some intent, we might not. Why not reserve judgment on the clubs transfer policy until after that period?? because we already have had a month of the window and by then its to late and why kebabs it that late to show intent its more like panic buying to me It's not too late really. The market for the mid table clubs has been incredibly slow. Of all the players mid table clubs have signed the only one I'm disappointed we didn't try and get is Hernandez
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 16:24:48 GMT
Are yet to see the end of the transfer window. We might show some intent, we might not. Why not reserve judgment on the clubs transfer policy until after that period?? This isn't about me and my judgement of Stoke's policy for signing players. This is about Arnie jumping because we were not spending when he expected us to be spending. Apparently he signed his contract extension with us based on promises made by the club. Then it's heresay in my opinion. I think he got tapped up via his brother for a payrise and hence he left. Again that's heresay. Only a few people know the truth and that's why I won't get worked up by something that can't be proved either way On this board
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 16:28:04 GMT
This isn't about me and my judgement of Stoke's policy for signing players. This is about Arnie jumping because we were not spending when he expected us to be spending. Apparently he signed his contract extension with us based on promises made by the club. Then it's heresay in my opinion. I think he got tapped up via his brother for a payrise and hence he left. Again that's heresay. Only a few people know the truth and that's why I won't get worked up by something that can't be proved either way On this board I'm happy with the situation. We are reacting like he is Pele or Maradona. Arnie was a big kid who gave his all when it suited him. I just hope we use the profit we've made on him to but better.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 16:30:28 GMT
Then it's heresay in my opinion. I think he got tapped up via his brother for a payrise and hence he left. Again that's heresay. Only a few people know the truth and that's why I won't get worked up by something that can't be proved either way On this board I'm happy with the situation. We are reacting like he is Pele or Maradona. Arnie was a big kid who gave his all when it suited him. I just hope we use the profit we've made on him to but better. And I'm pretty certain we will. Hughes has made a few mistakes transfer wise which is why I believe they are taking their time transfer wise. At least I hope....
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Post by wingy11 on Aug 13, 2017 16:31:10 GMT
people just want the team doing well, hughes as changed the tactics by playing 3 at the back and 2 wing backs but hasnt brought the players in to be able use it affectively. We cant keep playing pieters and diouf as wing backs we need proper wing backs, playing this system also balls up berahino as he aint a loan striker. To me we played our best when we played 4231 and need go back to that system unless he addresss the player situation
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 16:34:45 GMT
people just want the team doing well, hughes as changed the tactics by playing 3 at the back and 2 wing backs but hasnt brought the players in to be able use it affectively. We cant keep playing pieters and diouf as wing backs we need proper wing backs, playing this system also balls up berahino as he aint a loan striker. To me we played our best when we played 4231 and need go back to that system unless he addresss the player situation Absolutely 100% agree. I think it was George Berry who said in the history video that you fit systems to your players and not vice versa
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 13, 2017 17:09:55 GMT
people just want the team doing well, hughes as changed the tactics by playing 3 at the back and 2 wing backs but hasnt brought the players in to be able use it affectively. We cant keep playing pieters and diouf as wing backs we need proper wing backs, playing this system also balls up berahino as he aint a loan striker. To me we played our best when we played 4231 and need go back to that system unless he addresss the player situation Absolutely 100% agree. I think it was George Berry who said in the history video that you fit systems to your players and not vice versa sounds like bad management and penny pinching asset selling chairman syndrome
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 13, 2017 17:16:27 GMT
Are yet to see the end of the transfer window. We might show some intent, we might not. Why not reserve judgment on the clubs transfer policy until after that period?? This isn't about me and my judgement of Stoke's policy for signing players. This is about Arnie jumping because we were not spending when he expected us to be spending. Apparently he signed his contract extension with us based on promises made by the club. Hang on dickhead, a few Posts above you Saïd Arnie left because you Saïd hè thought Hughes was shit.....make your lamé arguements at least credible....
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 13, 2017 17:32:27 GMT
This isn't about me and my judgement of Stoke's policy for signing players. This is about Arnie jumping because we were not spending when he expected us to be spending. Apparently he signed his contract extension with us based on promises made by the club. Hang on dickhead, a few Posts above you Saïd Arnie left because you Saïd hè thought Hughes was shit.....make your lamé arguements at least credible.... God, you're a mongy ****. Read what wrote and then tie that in with what you stated just now. You f***ing ****
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2017 17:37:41 GMT
If it was 'one game' the OP would have a point. However, it's 18 months worth with very little done to change things.
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