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Post by alster on Aug 7, 2017 16:42:40 GMT
Just depends which Shawcross you're comparing at his best yes last season definitely not Bruno had a better season than Shawcross by some distance. I'd prefer both versions to be honest. Bruno was nowhere near as good as you and many others seem to make out. He was as weak defensively as any of the others, made as many mistakes as Ryan did but he wasn't Wooly so he was instantly hugely popular. Don't get me wrong. I like Bruno and think he had a good season. I guess it is more that I don't think Ryan was anywhere near as bad as some of you have tended to make out. But as I said BMI is stronger quicker better in the tackle doesn't get turned as easily, much better with the ball. Ryan knows the Prem better and therefore maybe reads the game better as yet and is possibly marginally better aerially. We've seen a decline in Ryan with far more weakness' in his game than we became accustomed to and the return to his game of the diagonal hoof as his stock ball. He's still adequate and will maybe return to his best but if you asked me to choose between the two today I'd favor BMI.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 16:47:26 GMT
I know he bought a house in about May ready for the move! 👍 He wanted to join from the point of that interview where he said so. That may be 100% correct but again let's play the scenario.... He come to us on loan with the intention of signing a full contract on let's say £40k/week. He purchases a house in readiness for the move but his agent says I can get you £85k/week and the player believes that this may be possible. This delays the deal and the player sees the house as an investment he can sell??? This delays the deal and the deadline passes. The £85k/week doesn't become available and he is happy to sign? This is just a scenario but without all of the facts no one will be 100% sure. You maywell be correct with this being badly managed but we honestly don't know do we. If he his agent didn't do that then he needs to get a new agent. It's a players market, and he'd have been mad not to drag it out. Even an extra 10k a week would be half a million a year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:05:34 GMT
it couldn't have been set in stone, because there were two parties involved. the other party (Porto) wouldn't sign. you can try to twist it any way you want, but you simply can't buy from someone who won't sell. Of course you can, we did it with Wolly. And if they don't agree to it you don't do the deal. But that wasn't an option because we left signing a crucial player to the last day. Another master stroke Mr Scholes....... The whole deal has been a fuck up.But it hasn't. With hindsight, good business. I think you're showing your true colours of intense fannyism.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 17:12:39 GMT
Of course you can, we did it with Wolly. And if they don't agree to it you don't do the deal. But that wasn't an option because we left signing a crucial player to the last day. Another master stroke Mr Scholes....... The whole deal has been a fuck up.But it hasn't. With hindsight, good business. I think you're showing your true colours of intense fannyism. It should have been done months ago for about this price. There is nothing to praise.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 7, 2017 17:14:45 GMT
But it hasn't. With hindsight, good business. I think you're showing your true colours of intense fannyism. It should have been done months ago for about this price. There is nothing to praise. Old Chinese proverb say, arguing with Bayern is like a train with no wheels, very soon get nowhere.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2017 17:15:05 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Aug 7, 2017 17:15:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:16:31 GMT
But it hasn't. With hindsight, good business. I think you're showing your true colours of intense fannyism. It should have been done months ago for about this price. There is nothing to praise. But it wasn't. And you couldn't force Porto to do a deal. Play the cards. Deal later. More pressure on the seller. What about that don't you understand? Praise and criticism where it's due. Of course we've all been concerned about this deal but you should step back and think it through. Again. And again. You're simply wrong on this one. Nothing more to say.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 7, 2017 17:16:38 GMT
Great business for BMI , they want 13 mill we say fuck off ,Porto agree deal with palace but BMI doesn't turn up for medical , now we've offered £7.52 million
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:17:36 GMT
Security coming to move you on.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 7, 2017 17:17:37 GMT
So is it the back of Bruno or Delph's head they spotted earlier?!...
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 7, 2017 17:20:38 GMT
Is that somebody else bidding for him or another player coming in? I fucking hate social media during the transfer windows.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 17:20:49 GMT
It should have been done months ago for about this price. There is nothing to praise. But it wasn't. And you couldn't force Porto to do a deal. Play the cards. Deal later. More pressure on the seller. What about that don't you understand? Praise and criticism where it's due. Of course we've all been concerned about this deal but you should step back and think it through. Again. And again. You're simply wrong on this one. Nothing more to say. I've thought about it lots. Once you say you have a deal with the club agreed and alls you need to do is agree with the player. You better make sure that deal is watertight or you look like a tit.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 7, 2017 17:21:30 GMT
I really love this to happen, but I dare not take anything for granted yet! This is the signing I want most to happen, please make it official!!! !
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Post by luke2u on Aug 7, 2017 17:21:50 GMT
He's coming home, he's coming, Indi's coming home.......
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 7, 2017 17:22:58 GMT
I love a cheeky double
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:23:49 GMT
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Post by burge2u on Aug 7, 2017 17:24:40 GMT
I really love this to happen, but I dare not take anything for granted yet! This is the signing I want most to happen, please make it official!!! ! Please elaborate
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 7, 2017 17:25:06 GMT
But it wasn't. And you couldn't force Porto to do a deal. Play the cards. Deal later. More pressure on the seller. What about that don't you understand? Praise and criticism where it's due. Of course we've all been concerned about this deal but you should step back and think it through. Again. And again. You're simply wrong on this one. Nothing more to say. I've thought about it lots. Once you say you have a deal with the club agreed and alls you need to do is agree with the player. You better make sure that deal is watertight or you look like a tit. Admit you were wrong, like a man, or bore off and stink up another thread.
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Aug 7, 2017 17:26:55 GMT
Bruno's coming home.... literally as his new gaff awaits him.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 7, 2017 17:26:55 GMT
I know he bought a house in about May ready for the move! 👍 He wanted to join from the point of that interview where he said so. That may be 100% correct but again let's play the scenario.... He come to us on loan with the intention of signing a full contract on let's say £40k/week. He purchases a house in readiness for the move but his agent says I can get you £85k/week and the player believes that this may be possible. This delays the deal and the player sees the house as an investment he can sell??? This delays the deal and the deadline passes. The £85k/week doesn't become available and he is happy to sign? This is just a scenario but without all of the facts no one will be 100% sure. You maywell be correct with this being badly managed but we honestly don't know do we. Or maybe we had a deal at €8.5m, Porto upped it to €13m as Bruno had a good season and other clubs were interested. We took a view that if we agreed to these terms then we would be fair game to any club in future deals and so we stood our ground. Missed a few weeks of pre-season but he played last year so shouldn't be a big deal and in the wider scheme of things we make it clear we are serious about the deals we agree to. Would be a reasonable commercial approach if this happened.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 17:27:55 GMT
I've thought about it lots. Once you say you have a deal with the club agreed and alls you need to do is agree with the player. You better make sure that deal is watertight or you look like a tit. Admit you were wrong, like a man, or bore off and stink up another thread. I'm not wrong though. The incompetence is there in black and white.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 7, 2017 17:28:10 GMT
I've seen Bruno and Moting together Fuck me my dick is hard.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 7, 2017 17:29:27 GMT
I've seen Bruno and Moting together Fuck me my dick is hard. Are masturbating in the bushes lad?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 7, 2017 17:29:37 GMT
That may be 100% correct but again let's play the scenario.... He come to us on loan with the intention of signing a full contract on let's say £40k/week. He purchases a house in readiness for the move but his agent says I can get you £85k/week and the player believes that this may be possible. This delays the deal and the player sees the house as an investment he can sell??? This delays the deal and the deadline passes. The £85k/week doesn't become available and he is happy to sign? This is just a scenario but without all of the facts no one will be 100% sure. You maywell be correct with this being badly managed but we honestly don't know do we. Or maybe we had a deal at €8.5m, Porto upped it to €13m as Bruno had a good season and other clubs were interested. We took a view that if we agreed to these terms then we would be fair game to any club in future deals and so we stood our ground. Missed a few weeks of pre-season but he played last year so shouldn't be a big deal and in the wider scheme of things we make it clear we are serious about the deals we agree to. Would be a reasonable commercial approach if this happened. If that was the case, why have the club allowed it to be reported on numerous occasions that we let the option to buy for £8.5m lapse?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 7, 2017 17:30:07 GMT
I've seen Bruno and Moting together Fuck me my dick is hard. Your phone not got a camera then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2017 17:30:33 GMT
Or maybe we had a deal at €8.5m, Porto upped it to €13m as Bruno had a good season and other clubs were interested. We took a view that if we agreed to these terms then we would be fair game to any club in future deals and so we stood our ground. Missed a few weeks of pre-season but he played last year so shouldn't be a big deal and in the wider scheme of things we make it clear we are serious about the deals we agree to. Would be a reasonable commercial approach if this happened. If that was the case, why have the club allowed it to be reported on numerous occasions that we let the option to buy for £8.5m lapse? Exactly. We got lucky-thank God!
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 7, 2017 17:30:55 GMT
I've seen Bruno and Moting together Fuck me my dick is hard. Your phone not got a camera then? My phone has a camera but I've got hands
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Post by burge2u on Aug 7, 2017 17:32:35 GMT
Admit you were wrong, like a man, or bore off and stink up another thread. I'm not wrong though. The incompetence is there in black and white. ..... but we play in red and white. Sorry, only joking matey.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 7, 2017 17:32:57 GMT
it couldn't have been set in stone, because there were two parties involved. the other party (Porto) wouldn't sign. you can try to twist it any way you want, but you simply can't buy from someone who won't sell. Of course you can, we did it with Wolly. And if they don't agree to it you don't do the deal. But that wasn't an option because we left signing a crucial player to the last day. Another master stroke Mr Scholes....... The whole deal has been a fuck up. Porto increased the originally proposed price when we began the process of taking up the option. We did not pull out of the deal, hoping that Porto would be honest and go back to the original price. They continued to refuse to deal at the original price and, in time, the option deadline went past. Negotiations have been going on ever since, culminating in the current situation. Now if you can tell us what YOU would have done differently in the above circumstances, we may become more enlightened.
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