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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 10:11:39 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen. The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there. I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us.
Yeah I like the look of that team too but I suspect we'll end up seeing something like this:
Butland Zouma Shawcross Bruno Diouf Allen Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Berahino with Ramadan missing out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 10:19:28 GMT
I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us.
Yeah I like the look of that team too but I suspect we'll end up seeing something like this:
Butland Zouma Shawcross Bruno Diouf Allen Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Berahino with Ramadan missing out.
What an awful team that is. I don't know how anyone could at those full backs and want that side. Yet I suspect you're not far off and it's what Hughes will go for. It's a team with 3 attackers in and one of those is at right back.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 10:22:26 GMT
The quality of the balls in from Diouf and Pieters makes them both totally unsuitable for wing back, not to mention Diouf's essential role as a striker. It's a fudge and if it meant Ramadan missing out I'd fully expect him to leave as soon as he could. If Arnie hadn't asked for a transfer and was remaining, how would we set up then? It makes no sense to me to play Zouma as a DM given the number of midfielders we have, albeit with few of them suitable for the role. I still think Ryan's spot may be in danger, but it would be a big call. Neither of the above teams fills me with confidence or excitement, we're so unbalanced.
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 18, 2017 10:24:35 GMT
I'd play Tymon before Pieters if we want to play 5 atb.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 18, 2017 10:26:53 GMT
I think it's time to get someone else in, they've messed us about long enough and I'm sure there are plenty about who could do as good a job as he has!If he doesn't sign this week ttfn.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 18, 2017 10:27:18 GMT
I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us.
Yeah I like the look of that team too but I suspect we'll end up seeing something like this:
Butland Zouma Shawcross Bruno Diouf Allen Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Berahino with Ramadan missing out.
What an awful team that is. Diouf RWB? Pieters LWB? If Hughes went with that (and I agree with you that I wouldn't be surprised if he did) he needs a fucking cocking.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 18, 2017 10:28:01 GMT
I'd play Tymon before Pieters if we want to play 5 atb. Is he good enough yet?
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Post by cpfwizard on Jul 18, 2017 10:36:01 GMT
With Tymon purchased to challenge Pieters and both Johnson and Bardsley offered new deals and Edwards in the wings, I just can't see us signing any full backs.
I can see Hughes going for this....
Butland Zouma Shawcross BMI Johnson Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Allen Berahino
with Ramadan, Bojan, Crouch, Cameron, Grant, plus 2 on the bench.
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Post by philb on Jul 18, 2017 10:38:06 GMT
Yeah I like the look of that team too but I suspect we'll end up seeing something like this:
Butland Zouma Shawcross Bruno Diouf Allen Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Berahino with Ramadan missing out.
What an awful team that is. I don't know how anyone could at those full backs and want that side. Yet I suspect you're not far off and it's what Hughes will go for. It's a team with 3 attackers in and one of those is at right back. Pieters ain't a left wing back.
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Post by philb on Jul 18, 2017 10:38:55 GMT
I'd play Tymon before Pieters if we want to play 5 atb. Is he good enough yet? Can't be any worse than Pieters 😳
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 18, 2017 10:39:44 GMT
With Tymon purchased to challenge Pieters and both Johnson and Bardsley offered new deals and Edwards in the wings, I just can't see us signing any full backs. I can see Hughes going for this.... Butland Zouma Shawcross BMI Johnson Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Allen Berahino with Ramadan, Bojan, Crouch, Cameron, Grant, plus 2 on the bench. I can't believe he would've re-contracted Johnson and Bardsley if he went into the summer thinking about 3-at-the-back though. Just makes no sense. And Diouf and Ramadan just aren't wing-backs either. Edwards may be, but he's nowhere near ready and will probably be loaned to League 1 Tymon does look wing-backy, but it's probably going to take Pieters playing his way out of the team for him to get a chance (which may well happen if he's hung out to dry at wing-back for a prolonged period, because he sure as hell isn't a wing-back!)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 10:48:07 GMT
With Tymon purchased to challenge Pieters and both Johnson and Bardsley offered new deals and Edwards in the wings, I just can't see us signing any full backs. I can see Hughes going for this.... Butland Zouma Shawcross BMI Johnson Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Allen Berahino with Ramadan, Bojan, Crouch, Cameron, Grant, plus 2 on the bench. I can't believe he would've re-contracted Johnson and Bardsley if he went into the summer thinking about 3-at-the-back though. Just makes no sense. And Diouf and Ramadan just aren't wing-backs either. Edwards may be, but he's nowhere near ready and will probably be loaned to League 1 Tymon does look wing-backy, but it's probably going to take Pieters playing his way out of the team for him to get a chance (which may well happen if he's hung out to dry at wing-back for a prolonged period, because he sure as hell isn't a wing-back!) If Zouma, Bruno, Shawcross, Allen, Delph and Fletcher all end up here, then I think initially he will attempt to start all six and then try and assemble the rest of the first XI around them. I can't see how he will be able to do it without playing 3 at the back, even though (as you say) we don't have any wing backs at the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 10:49:17 GMT
Could the van der Wiel link be a missing piece in the 'wing-back formation'? Far more a RWB than anyone else we have at the club, that's for sure.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 10:51:40 GMT
With Tymon purchased to challenge Pieters and both Johnson and Bardsley offered new deals and Edwards in the wings, I just can't see us signing any full backs. I can see Hughes going for this.... Butland Zouma Shawcross BMI Johnson Fletcher Delph Pieters Shaqiri Allen Berahino with Ramadan, Bojan, Crouch, Cameron, Grant, plus 2 on the bench. That team has more balance but I would look at Ramadan instead of Allen perhaps. Three at the back enables us to play two in midfield and with those two wing backs (!!!!!) we'll be a bit more watertight hopefully. Playing Ramadan and Shaqiri behind a striker gives us more firepower, but I have major concerns about Berahino and would still like us to sign another striker.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 10:52:48 GMT
Could the van der Wiel link be a missing piece in the 'wing-back formation'? Far more a RWB than anyone else we have at the club, that's for sure. And what do we do with Johnson and Bardsley? One would have to leave, surely? And who plays left wing back?
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Post by cpfwizard on Jul 18, 2017 10:53:48 GMT
I can't believe he would've re-contracted Johnson and Bardsley if he went into the summer thinking about 3-at-the-back though. Just makes no sense. And Diouf and Ramadan just aren't wing-backs either. Edwards may be, but he's nowhere near ready and will probably be loaned to League 1 Tymon does look wing-backy, but it's probably going to take Pieters playing his way out of the team for him to get a chance (which may well happen if he's hung out to dry at wing-back for a prolonged period, because he sure as hell isn't a wing-back!) If Zouma, Bruno, Shawcross, Allen, Delph and Fletcher all end up here, then I think initially he will attempt to start all six and then try and assemble the rest of the first XI around them. I can't see how he will be able to do it without playing 3 at the back, even though (as you say) we don't have any wing backs at the club. Unfortunately I think Hughes will see Johnson and Pieters as viable options at WB, not saying I agree but can see it happening. And also think he will favour Allen in front of Delph and Fletcher as opposed to playing either Bojan or Ramadan from the start. Would be much better if we could land Van Der Wiel and Gibbs to play the WB roles if that is our intention of formation.
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Post by akstoke93 on Jul 18, 2017 10:57:32 GMT
Could the van der Wiel link be a missing piece in the 'wing-back formation'? Far more a RWB than anyone else we have at the club, that's for sure. yes!
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Post by jeycov on Jul 18, 2017 11:02:28 GMT
Could the van der Wiel link be a missing piece in the 'wing-back formation'? Far more a RWB than anyone else we have at the club, that's for sure. Stoke Loud & Proud @stokeloudproud 15m15 minutes ago More We believe the interest in Dutch right back van der Wiel is genuine but not sure how far along the line the deal is to being complete 🔴⚪️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:02:44 GMT
Could the van der Wiel link be a missing piece in the 'wing-back formation'? Far more a RWB than anyone else we have at the club, that's for sure. And what do we do with Johnson and Bardsley? One would have to leave, surely? And who plays left wing back? God knows (in response to both of those questions). The contract extensions for the two of them made no sense anyway, especially IF (and a it is a big 'if') we plan on going 3 at the back, let alone being linked with another one. One of them would definitely have to go for me, and on recent form it should be Johnson imho. Pieters is no LWB, as he showed last season. Tymon could grow into that role though from what I have seen of him, but I just can't see him doing it effectively week-in, week-out at this stage of his career. If we don't sign BMI and it is just Zouma, then we have Ryan and KZ as the primary centre halves, and I'm not sure they have a left foot between them? Could Pieters play left hand side of a back 3 and then have Tymon outside him? Or would we put Wolly there? I repeat, god knows.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 18, 2017 11:04:11 GMT
Could the van der Wiel link be a missing piece in the 'wing-back formation'? Far more a RWB than anyone else we have at the club, that's for sure. And what do we do with Johnson and Bardsley? One would have to leave, surely? And who plays left wing back? Well you'd hope Tymon could play left wing back if he can prove he's good enough. If Van der Wiel did sign that would be right wing back sorted, but as for who goes out of Johnson and Bardsley, I'm not sure, none of them will want to be playing second and third fiddle to a new signing
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Post by jeycov on Jul 18, 2017 11:07:21 GMT
And what do we do with Johnson and Bardsley? One would have to leave, surely? And who plays left wing back? Well you'd hope Tymon could play left wing back if he can prove he's good enough. If Van der Wiel did sign that would be right wing back sorted, but as for who goes out of Johnson and Bardsley, I'm not sure, none of them will want to be playing second and third fiddle to a new signing At the moment we have Muniesa, Cameron and Wollscheid plus any of the younger players coming through. All acceptable to be in the squad (imo) but really need a stronger option who is a proven CB
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 18, 2017 11:08:28 GMT
Well you'd hope Tymon could play left wing back if he can prove he's good enough. If Van der Wiel did sign that would be right wing back sorted, but as for who goes out of Johnson and Bardsley, I'm not sure, none of them will want to be playing second and third fiddle to a new signing At the moment we have Muniesa, Cameron and Wollscheid plus any of the younger players coming through. All acceptable to be in the squad (imo) but really need a stronger option who is a proven CB Is that factoring in with BMI in the team or not? Or an experienced CB who can come off the bench, good for rotation etc...?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 11:09:32 GMT
Johnson would be the more likely to leave, given he travels up from London. A return to the capital? QPR or Fulham, with us paying a chunk of wages? He could join the Redknapp revolution at St Andrews and save himself a few miles on the train.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 11:12:25 GMT
At the moment we have Muniesa, Cameron and Wollscheid plus any of the younger players coming through. All acceptable to be in the squad (imo) but really need a stronger option who is a proven CB Is that factoring in with BMI in the team or not? Or an experienced CB who can come off the bench, good for rotation etc...? I can't see us signing Bruno and keeping both Muni and Wollscheid.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 18, 2017 11:12:27 GMT
Johnson would be the more likely to leave, given he travels up from London. A return to the capital? QPR or Fulham, with us paying a chunk of wages? He could join the Redknapp revolution at St Andrews and save himself a few miles on the train. I could see a Birmingham move for him. Played under Harry at Pompey round about 2008 with Crouchie didn't he? If we sign another Striker, Crouchie and Johnson to Brum?
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 18, 2017 11:13:24 GMT
Is that factoring in with BMI in the team or not? Or an experienced CB who can come off the bench, good for rotation etc...? I can't see us signing Bruno and keeping both Muni and Wollscheid. I could see Muni going
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Post by RWChris on Jul 18, 2017 11:16:48 GMT
Van der Wiel would be an excellent signing. Maybe our Dutch lads (not sure whether to include BMI in that?!!) can help persuade him.
Could it be the case that we extended Johnson's contract with a view to him being a back-up CB in a back three?
Van der Wiel Bardsley Edwards
Zuma BMI Shawcross Johnson (Cameron)
Pieters Tymon
Allows Muniesa & Wollscheid to seek pastures new.
I'd be pretty happy with that group of defenders for the season. I didn't want to see Pieters as our starting LB but I can accept it if we had a back 4/5 of those players listed above...
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 11:23:45 GMT
Seen van der wiel play in real life a few times, decent player with a lot of pace, however it's been a while
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Post by bhp on Jul 18, 2017 11:32:27 GMT
To play 3 at the back you need 4 good wing backs, Spurs did it well last season because they had the best sets of wing backs in the league. If Rose was tired one week Davis would walk into the team and instantly perform. If we were to go for 3 at the back we need at least 2 new full backs who are athletic and are more than competent at both ends of the pitch.
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Post by cpfwizard on Jul 18, 2017 11:35:40 GMT
Van der Wiel would be an excellent signing. Maybe our Dutch lads (not sure whether to include BMI in that?!!) can help persuade him. Could it be the case that we extended Johnson's contract with a view to him being a back-up CB in a back three? Van der Wiel Bardsley Edwards Zuma BMI Shawcross Johnson (Cameron) Pieters Tymon Allows Muniesa & Wollscheid to seek pastures new. I'd be pretty happy with that group of defenders for the season. I didn't want to see Pieters as our starting LB but I can accept it if we had a back 4/5 of those players listed above... Bardsley would be more likely to be happy to remain as a squad player than Johnson I would imagine. I'd rather we kept Muni than Johnson as he is more versatile. Wollscheid would surely have to go if both Zouma and BMI joined.
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