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Post by essexstokey on Jul 17, 2017 17:32:23 GMT
I've watched Ryan consistently all through his career. If he's fit he plays. He's a better centre back than Zouma or bruno, those two need to learn from Ryan Zouma's spent the past few years learning from John Terry, with the greatest of respect, he ain't going to learn anything new from Ryan is he? Depends what he learned from John Terry hope its not how to chat up other players wives
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 17, 2017 17:33:33 GMT
Hopefully this puts pay to their interest in BMI £20m? LOL. They're welcome to him, good lord £20 Million
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Post by nonameface on Jul 17, 2017 17:40:39 GMT
Zouma's spent the past few years learning from John Terry, with the greatest of respect, he ain't going to learn anything new from Ryan is he? Ryan played well last season. He's been superb for us season on season. He is not going to be dropped and neither should he be. He has struggled since his back injury but his level is still high. Zouma will no doubt have to play but bruno would not get into my team ahead of shawcross, no way. He is a good player but not a better defender than shawx Ryan has been an excellent player but I think without the rose tinted specs he was the poorest defender between him and Bruno last year. Its debatable whether he was better than Wollscheid the season before, stats shown before suggest he wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:57:23 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen.
The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 17, 2017 18:15:05 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen. The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there. Unless we suddenly start to play 3 at the back with (proper) wing backs, I'd also be tempted to start with Zouma in the Whelan position. I can't imagine us getting anyone better, to be honest - in fact there aren't many better defensive midfielders in the Prem.
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Post by skelman on Jul 17, 2017 18:29:18 GMT
Correct. If it was simply a case of us putting pen to paper at £8.5m then I'm sure it would have been done. This may just possibly be 'third party ownership situation'.No-one can force Porto to sign. They clearly feel they can get more for BMI, following a good season in the PL window. Sounds like they've then been difficult, let time run down and have then claimed 'time has elapsed.' Stoke have said little or nothing about what's going on, probably so as to try NOT to piss Porto off! - while Porto have continued to play games. Seems that Porto also may have 'third party ownership', 'economic rights' situations that make it difficult for any club in negotiations with them over the sale of a player. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/what-is-third-party-ownership-in-football-and-why-is-it-controve/ Porto’s business model over the last 10+ years has been based largely on buying "cheap" players and then selling them after 1~3 years. Porto buys a player and sells 40-70% of his economic rights immediately to a fund to lower the investment. Despite sales reaching 10s of millions over recent years, Porto apparently haven't made a huge profit from transfers as the club only has 50% of the economic rights of many of its players. Porto sometimes buy back a % from these funds from the best players, but the cost is huge. Then also factor in agents fees etc and this may help to explain the prolonged situation. So perhaps the trickiest part of this negotiation is in Stoke trying to 'buy out' any third party ownership so that if/when BMI signs, he actually becomes a 100% Stoke player Surely though it's a simple matter of: 1. Do they want to sell him or not? 2. If they do, we want to buy him. 3. Agree a fee and personal terms. 4. JOB DONE 😀 Just can't see what the problem is 😉 It's a massive problem if the 3rd party owners (financiers) think they can achieve a better financial return on their investment. This is how Porto finance their club. If they can create a 'Dutch auction' then they and any 3rd party stand to gain more. If there is a 3rd party owner then the 'buy back' clause with them could be more the problem rather than Porto
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 17, 2017 18:32:15 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen. The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there. Unless we suddenly start to play 3 at the back with (proper) wing backs, I'd also be tempted to start with Zouma in the Whelan position. I can't imagine us getting anyone better, to be honest - in fact there aren't many better defensive midfielders in the Prem. Completely agree with Joe Allen which is a shame, but he was clearly signed on the "good player becomes available" basis. If we go 343 and all the above signing come off were looking at something along the lines of: Jack Zouma Shawcross BMI Diouf Fletcher Delph Tymon Shaq Saido Sobhi 4231 would be similar to: Jack Johnson Ryan BMI Pieters Fletcher Delph Shaq Bojan Sobhi Saido Given how utterly awful we look at fullbacks I'm hoping we go for 3 at the back and do away with them completely. Unfortunately I can't see much space for Joe and he doesn't look to be the sought to be happy on the bench.
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Post by dexta on Jul 17, 2017 18:36:14 GMT
Isnt going to happen...best giving wolly a run in the team
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Post by philb on Jul 17, 2017 18:39:27 GMT
Isnt going to happen...best giving wolly a run in the team Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 18:39:58 GMT
Just a hunch, or have you heard something? Heard that we're on the verge of signing all three. BMI - Don't know what hold up is for sure. My personal guess is Porto and issues with third party ownership. Been told that it's almost done though. Player set on joining us and we obviously want him in asap. Zouma - everything signed our end. Player needs to sign off on Chelsea contract and then will be announced. Delph - told that everything agreed between us and player. Personal guess is hold up because of player and City. Nothing wrong from what we've done. All about players and their clubs. Be patient, they will come. South Wales sounds like you've a good source , did you hear anything on Arnie ?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 18:42:20 GMT
Just a hunch, or have you heard something? Heard that we're on the verge of signing all three. BMI - Don't know what hold up is for sure. My personal guess is Porto and issues with third party ownership. Been told that it's almost done though. Player set on joining us and we obviously want him in asap. Zouma - everything signed our end. Player needs to sign off on Chelsea contract and then will be announced. Delph - told that everything agreed between us and player. Personal guess is hold up because of player and City. Nothing wrong from what we've done. All about players and their clubs. Be patient, they will come. South Wales sounds like you've a good source , did you hear anything on Arnie ?
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Post by dexta on Jul 17, 2017 18:43:22 GMT
Isnt going to happen...best giving wolly a run in the team Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! imo wolly was the scapegoat last year there were others in our defence who were just as bad...arnie and shaq being bone idle in tracking back which meant our central defenders were pulled out of position to cover left and right back
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Post by Northy on Jul 17, 2017 18:57:56 GMT
Heard that we're on the verge of signing all three. BMI - Don't know what hold up is for sure. My personal guess is Porto and issues with third party ownership. Been told that it's almost done though. Player set on joining us and we obviously want him in asap. Zouma - everything signed our end. Player needs to sign off on Chelsea contract and then will be announced. Delph - told that everything agreed between us and player. Personal guess is hold up because of player and City. Nothing wrong from what we've done. All about players and their clubs. Be patient, they will come. South Wales sounds like you've a good source , did you hear anything on Arnie ? He's returned to acting after serving 2 stints as the governor of California
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jul 17, 2017 18:59:50 GMT
South Wales sounds like you've a good source , did you hear anything on Arnie ? He's returned to acting after serving 2 stints as the governor of California Boom!
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Post by skip on Jul 17, 2017 23:30:25 GMT
So is prolapsed. Let's hope the arse hasn't fallen out of this deal.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 18, 2017 4:32:41 GMT
Bruno played 2nd half vs Cruz Azul in a 0-0 draw,
He also missed in the shoot-out.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 18, 2017 4:52:30 GMT
Bruno played 2nd half vs Cruz Azul in a 0-0 draw, He also missed in the shoot-out. His mind was hopefully somewhere else!
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Post by luke2u on Jul 18, 2017 8:02:27 GMT
Crystal Palace closing in on Jairo Riedewald from Ajax, a left footed CB, according to Evening Standard.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 18, 2017 8:06:27 GMT
South Wales sounds like you've a good source , did you hear anything on Arnie ? He's returned to acting after serving 2 stints as the governor of California Liar!...he was never an actor....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 8:10:10 GMT
He's returned to acting after serving 2 stints as the governor of California Liar!...he was never an actor.... Bollocks. It was a disgrace how he didn't win an oscar for his performance in "Kindergarten Cop"
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 18, 2017 9:00:59 GMT
Liar!...he was never an actor.... Bollocks. It was a disgrace how he didn't win an oscar for his performance in "Kindergarten Cop" "Who is your daddy, and what does he do?"
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 18, 2017 9:13:30 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen. The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there. I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 9:24:30 GMT
I'd be quite surprised if we did play Zouma there, particularly if we sign Delph. Surely he's coming with the desire to play where he and his club thinks he can be most effective. Isn't this as a defender????? We'll either go three at the back (with no proper wing backs!) or Ryan's place is in danger.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 9:29:40 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen. The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there. I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us. Fletcher and Zouma together? plb pls
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 18, 2017 9:32:45 GMT
I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us. Fletcher and Zouma together? plb pls Solid as a rock, but you could bring in Allen for Fletcher for that box-to-box capability.
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Post by podolipotter on Jul 18, 2017 9:44:06 GMT
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! imo wolly was the scapegoat last year there were others in our defence who were just as bad...arnie and shaq being bone idle in tracking back which meant our central defenders were pulled out of position to cover left and right back "Give Woolly a run(??) in the first team!!! Does he even know what the word means? I am sure I have seen faster players than him at Newcastle Town. Wooly is not and never will be a player worthy of a premiership/championship team place. Get rid.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jul 18, 2017 9:50:59 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen. The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there. I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us. Looks to me tho that Hughes's mind is made up. Out standard formation will be 3 at the back if he gets the players we are after.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 18, 2017 9:52:13 GMT
imo wolly was the scapegoat last year there were others in our defence who were just as bad...arnie and shaq being bone idle in tracking back which meant our central defenders were pulled out of position to cover left and right back "Give Woolly a run(??) in the first team!!! Does he even know what the word means? I am sure I have seen faster players than him at Newcastle Town. Wooly is not and never will be a player worthy of a premiership/championship team place. Get rid. Dunna talk shite pal. I'd like to know where would have ended up in the 2015/16 season without him. Remember the one where we finished top 10 and reached the semi's of the league cup. Would I prefer BMI and Zouma? Yes. But don't spout utter crap along the lines of he isn't good enough because he has proved that actually he is.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 18, 2017 9:52:46 GMT
I'd definitely go for Bruno, however he would play alongside Ryan with Zouma in front as a defensive midfielder. Where that leaves our seventy other midfielders I'm not sure but one things for sure we certainly need to move at least two on and for me that would be Charlie and Joe Allen. The team is crying out for a beast in that position. I honestly think Zouma would be fantastic there. I posted this team the other day, and I think it has the potential to be mint if we upgrade both (awful) fullbacks: Butland Johnson Shawcross Martins-Indi Pieters Fletcher Zouma Shaqiri Bojan Ramadan Berahino
. It's like the return of "The Cage", but a much improved version that wouldn't limit us. Minus Johnson (and a fazing in of Tymon over Pieters throughout the season) I like the look of that team. I can see Hughes going for 3 CB's though rather than that team
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 18, 2017 9:58:16 GMT
I know, they're so blindingly terrible it's remarkable! Not sure if we'll see Tymon in the senior team. I keep seeing the three CBs mentioned but I genuinely don't believe it will happen; we'd need two specialist wingbacks and Hughes doesn't seem to be interested in getting them in. He's played about three CBs in various pre-seasons but I don't think we'll see it, and nor should we, it's an horrendous set-up!
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