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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:35:47 GMT
Why has Van Der Wiel only played 11 games since joining Fenerbahce last year?....and only 17 the year before?
Injuries or other?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 11:35:53 GMT
This seems very balanced to me:
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Bruno
Van der Wiel Fletcher Delph Gibbs
Shaqiri Berahino Ramadan
But that's five new players in your outfield 10 and it really would call into question some of the contract extensions already made and of course there's no place for Allen but I do think it would work.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 18, 2017 11:42:09 GMT
This seems very balanced to me:
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Bruno
Van der Wiel Fletcher Delph Gibbs
Shaqiri Berahino Ramadan
But that's five new players in your outfield 10 and it really would call into question some of the contract extensions already made and of course there's no place for Allen but I do think it would work.
Wow spence, I do like the look of that team!!! 👍
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jul 18, 2017 11:42:39 GMT
I like the look of this team below though looks to have a bit of steel at the back, I'd go for Gibbs I think he's young enough and good enough for £12m (even if TP doesn't) and Delph at £12-15m is good if he can recapture his Villa form, there's a lot of 'ifs' and 'buts' but we have needed a new injection of players for some time This seems very balanced to me:
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Bruno
Van der Wiel Fletcher Delph Gibbs
Shaqiri Berahino Ramadan
But that's five new players in your outfield 10 and it really would call into question some of the contract extensions already made and of course there's no place for Allen but I do think it would work.
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 18, 2017 11:43:26 GMT
Surely logic suggests that when Zouma gets done and dusted our interest in Bruno will cease it makes sense to pursue both until one drops. We are two wing backs away from a back 3 and it's not going to happen. The debate will hot up IF we sign both of course
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:47:36 GMT
Surely logic suggests that when Zouma gets done and dusted our interest in Bruno will cease it makes sense to pursue both until one drops. We are two wing backs away from a back 3 and it's not going to happen. The debate will hot up IF we sign both of course We want both.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 18, 2017 11:49:39 GMT
It looks balanced but I still don't like it. I hate that formation in general.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:56:25 GMT
Van Der Wiel is "too good" for us, isn't he? Or has his stock fallen over the past few years??
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 18, 2017 11:59:28 GMT
Van Der Wiel is "too good" for us, isn't he? Or has his stock fallen over the past few years?? Injuries have cooled interest from top clubs rumoured to be heading for Palace for around 8m
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Post by Gods on Jul 18, 2017 12:05:44 GMT
This seems very balanced to me:
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Bruno
Van der Wiel Fletcher Delph Gibbs
Shaqiri Berahino Ramadan
But that's five new players in your outfield 10 and it really would call into question some of the contract extensions already made and of course there's no place for Allen but I do think it would work.
Nice on paper but where are the goals? It would worry me sending out a Stoke side where only Shawcross has more than 10 goals for the club and the 3 forwards managed 4 goals in total between them last season !!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 12:08:56 GMT
This seems very balanced to me:
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Bruno
Van der Wiel Fletcher Delph Gibbs
Shaqiri Berahino Ramadan
But that's five new players in your outfield 10 and it really would call into question some of the contract extensions already made and of course there's no place for Allen but I do think it would work.
Nice on paper but where are the goals? It would worry me sending out a Stoke side where only Shawcross has more than 10 goals for the club and the 3 forwards managed 4 goals in total between them last season !! That's a massive issue period though isn't it, what do you want an entire new starting XI? Hopefully because there is a proper balance to the side, we will then begin to create more opportunities. We have to go into the season believing in Berahino don't we?
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Post by cpfwizard on Jul 18, 2017 12:12:54 GMT
Nice on paper but where are the goals? It would worry me sending out a Stoke side where only Shawcross has more than 10 goals for the club and the 3 forwards managed 4 goals in total between them last season !! That's a massive issue period though isn't it, what do you want an entire new starting XI? Hopefully because there is a proper balance to the side, we will then begin to create more opportunities. We have to go into the season believing in Berahino don't we? Given the extended time we spent chasing Berahino and the fee paid he must be given a chance with Crouch, Diouf and the young lads as backup and then perhaps review in January. But hopefully with a balanced side if he scores a couple of goals early we'll see the player we hoped for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:38:01 GMT
That's a massive issue period though isn't it, what do you want an entire new starting XI? Hopefully because there is a proper balance to the side, we will then begin to create more opportunities. We have to go into the season believing in Berahino don't we? Given the extended time we spent chasing Berahino and the fee paid he must be given a chance with Crouch, Diouf and the young lads as backup and then perhaps review in January. But hopefully with a balanced side if he scores a couple of goals early we'll see the player we hoped for. If we continue down the same road Berahino will not score goals. We simply don't play to his strengths. For him see Mame Diouf also, although Diouf has more ability in the air. Berahino makes runs off the shoulder of the last man and he's very good at it. We simply don't find him. That is something Hughes has to sort out.
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Post by Gods on Jul 18, 2017 14:24:25 GMT
Nice on paper but where are the goals? It would worry me sending out a Stoke side where only Shawcross has more than 10 goals for the club and the 3 forwards managed 4 goals in total between them last season !! That's a massive issue period though isn't it, what do you want an entire new starting XI? Hopefully because there is a proper balance to the side, we will then begin to create more opportunities. We have to go into the season believing in Berahino don't we? Yes it's a quandary alright though! Last season Berahino managed 0 from 13 games, Ramadan 0 from 17 games and Shaq 4 from 21 games so there you have 4 from 51, or an eye wateringly bad 2 from 51 in open play! I know we need to somehow move on but if I were to bet on who would score the most goals over the course of a full season between a triplicate of the new breed Bera/Rama/Shaq or old skool Diouf/Crouch/Walters I know where my money would go and it wouldn't be the new whizz kids!
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Post by Waggy on Jul 18, 2017 14:29:34 GMT
If this goes to 60 pages i will whip off my slacks and briefs and wak around Hanley naked from waist down. Come on get it done
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 14:30:44 GMT
That's a massive issue period though isn't it, what do you want an entire new starting XI? Hopefully because there is a proper balance to the side, we will then begin to create more opportunities. We have to go into the season believing in Berahino don't we? Yes it's a quandary alright though! Last season Berahino managed 0 from 13 games, Ramadan 0 from 17 games and Shaq 4 from 21 games so there you have 4 from 51, or an eye wateringly bad 2 from 51 in open play! I know we need to somehow move on but if I were to bet on who would score the most goals over the course of a full season between a triplicate of the new breed Bera/Rama/Shaq or old skool Diouf/Crouch/Walters I know where my money would go and it wouldn't be the new whizz kids! The make up of the team has been completely unbalanced for 18 months now and I think that is the chief reason for the stats you are quoting. If Hughes can finally get a blended first XI together then hopefully we'll start creating more opportunities. Personally I'd be looking to set up in a 4-2-3-1 for the very reasons you mention but a 3-4-3 could work so long as Hughes gets a pair of proper wing backs in.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jul 18, 2017 14:31:44 GMT
If this goes to 60 pages i will whip off my slacks and briefs and wak around Hanley naked from waist down. Come on get it done You'll "wak around Hanley naked"? What letter is missing there - a l or an n?
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Post by luke2u on Jul 18, 2017 14:33:39 GMT
Jairo Riedewald looks like have joined Palace, so BMI won't go there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:37:48 GMT
That's a massive issue period though isn't it, what do you want an entire new starting XI? Hopefully because there is a proper balance to the side, we will then begin to create more opportunities. We have to go into the season believing in Berahino don't we? Yes it's a quandary alright though! Last season Berahino managed 0 from 13 games, Ramadan 0 from 17 games and Shaq 4 from 21 games so there you have 4 from 51, or an eye wateringly bad 2 from 51 in open play! I know we need to somehow move on but if I were to bet on who would score the most goals over the course of a full season between a triplicate of the new breed Bera/Rama/Shaq or old skool Diouf/Crouch/Walters I know where my money would go and it wouldn't be the new whizz kids! The Ramadan/Berahino/Shaq would have the potential to get you maybe 30/40 in a season though! stick a Bojan in there too, who knows what could happen. Crouch/Walters/Mama would be 20 a season every season. More risk, greater reward with the flair players, that's the point. Ramadan needs to improve his decision making, and Shaq needs to chip in more, but with a properly balanced team, and a bit of creativity in the middle of midfield, I think there's a lot of potential.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 14:45:47 GMT
Yes it's a quandary alright though! Last season Berahino managed 0 from 13 games, Ramadan 0 from 17 games and Shaq 4 from 21 games so there you have 4 from 51, or an eye wateringly bad 2 from 51 in open play! I know we need to somehow move on but if I were to bet on who would score the most goals over the course of a full season between a triplicate of the new breed Bera/Rama/Shaq or old skool Diouf/Crouch/Walters I know where my money would go and it wouldn't be the new whizz kids! The make up of the team has been completely unbalanced for 18 months now and I think that is the chief reason for the stats you are quoting. If Hughes can finally get a blended first XI together then hopefully we'll start creating more opportunities. Personally I'd be looking to set up in a 4-2-3-1 for the very reasons you mention but a 3-4-3 could work so long as Hughes gets a pair of proper wing backs in. I'd much rather go with 4-2-3-1 too, Paul, which is why I was shouting out for two more defensive midfielders but never considered Fletcher as one of them. I felt the time was right to strengthen the centre of the pitch and play a number 10 (Bojan or Shaq) behind a striker that wasn't Berahino!! As you can imagine, I'm not ecstatic at the moment. With the current personnel, I'd be staggered if we brought in two wing backs, although that doesn't mean we won't go 3-4-3. I can see us having N'goy as winger back up and Diouf as striker/winger back up too which means we won't buy another winger, even with Arnie going. Massive responsibility on Shaq to step up and for Ramadan to take his opportunity. But..., I want another striker. I've got a bad feeling we're going to be impotent up front. Walters has gone and Joselu not needed (it seems), so we need another body to compete with Berahino.
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 18, 2017 14:47:03 GMT
Yes it's a quandary alright though! Last season Berahino managed 0 from 13 games, Ramadan 0 from 17 games and Shaq 4 from 21 games so there you have 4 from 51, or an eye wateringly bad 2 from 51 in open play! I know we need to somehow move on but if I were to bet on who would score the most goals over the course of a full season between a triplicate of the new breed Bera/Rama/Shaq or old skool Diouf/Crouch/Walters I know where my money would go and it wouldn't be the new whizz kids! The Ramadan/Berahino/Shaq would have the potential to get you maybe 30/40 in a season though! stick a Bojan in there too, who knows what could happen. Crouch/Walters/Mama would be 20 a season every season. More risk, greater reward with the flair players, that's the point. Ramadan needs to improve his decision making, and Shaq needs to chip in more, but with a properly balanced team, and a bit of creativity in the middle of midfield, I think there's a lot of potential. Wow 30/40 goals from Shaq Rama and Bera! Thats quite a leap from what they have previously managed. But somehow it has got to happen as there are no goal threats from anywhere else in the starting lineup Shawcross...unlikely Zouma...only ever scored 1 prem goal...fullbacks...gotta be joking...Delph, Allen Fletcher maybe 3/4 between them. The best goal threat is probably on the bench in the shape of Diouf and Crouch.....and I can't believe I am saying that (: I think we might be seeing quite a bit of game time from those 2. Last season the only teams to score less than us was the bottom 5...losing 2 goalscorers and no sign of bringing in anyone else to replace them is not ging to help our goals scored column and that has to be a worry
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Post by Waggy on Jul 18, 2017 14:49:00 GMT
If this goes to 60 pages i will whip off my slacks and briefs and wak around Hanley naked from waist down. Come on get it done You'll "wak around Hanley naked"? What letter is missing there - a l or an n? Its definitely an 'n'. My mistake. I'm not that kind of guy
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 18, 2017 14:52:28 GMT
Are we actually any closer than we were 1 month ago?
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Post by Gods on Jul 18, 2017 14:55:06 GMT
Yes it's a quandary alright though! Last season Berahino managed 0 from 13 games, Ramadan 0 from 17 games and Shaq 4 from 21 games so there you have 4 from 51, or an eye wateringly bad 2 from 51 in open play! I know we need to somehow move on but if I were to bet on who would score the most goals over the course of a full season between a triplicate of the new breed Bera/Rama/Shaq or old skool Diouf/Crouch/Walters I know where my money would go and it wouldn't be the new whizz kids! The Ramadan/Berahino/Shaq would have the potential to get you maybe 30/40 in a season though! stick a Bojan in there too, who knows what could happen. Crouch/Walters/Mama would be 20 a season every season. More risk, greater reward with the flair players, that's the point. Ramadan needs to improve his decision making, and Shaq needs to chip in more, but with a properly balanced team, and a bit of creativity in the middle of midfield, I think there's a lot of potential. Seriously - from 4 last season in 50 games to 30 or 40 in 38 games with a few nice tactical tweaks ? I don't see it myself, Shaq and Ramadan don't get in there where it matters and Berahino hasn't been a force for so long he has almost forgottem what its like to score a goal. Oh and none of this glorious threesome have a goal scoring header in them!
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Post by arnie3010 on Jul 18, 2017 15:01:18 GMT
Are we actually any closer than we were 1 month ago? We will doing our main business 2 or 3 matches into the new season like the season before lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 15:49:37 GMT
The Ramadan/Berahino/Shaq would have the potential to get you maybe 30/40 in a season though! stick a Bojan in there too, who knows what could happen. Crouch/Walters/Mama would be 20 a season every season. More risk, greater reward with the flair players, that's the point. Ramadan needs to improve his decision making, and Shaq needs to chip in more, but with a properly balanced team, and a bit of creativity in the middle of midfield, I think there's a lot of potential. Seriously - from 4 last season in 50 games to 30 or 40 in 38 games with a few nice tactical tweaks ? I don't see it myself, Shaq and Ramadan don't get in there where it matters and Berahino hasn't been a force for so long he has almost forgottem what its like to score a goal. Oh and none of this glorious threesome have a goal scoring header in them! That's why i use the term potential! It's the same with Arnie, he could get 15 a season, he might also get 3, it's a risk you take with better players when you're a mid table team. We could quite easily sit 11/12th with Walters and Diouf up front, and grinding out some hard fought wins, but we'd never move from there. With players like Shaqiri and Arnie, there's a genuine chance they could click and hit new heights. The tactical tweak is a massive one for me. A genuinely mobile defensive midfielder, and a midfielder with creativity (i.e. not Cameron/Allen/Whelan or Fletcher/Allen/Delph), whether in the shape of Imbula or Bojan, would give the attack a huge boost. When this window started, I only thought we needed to add (besides bruno) a right back and a proper defensive mid to have a chance of clicking as a team. I still haven't changed my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 15:51:19 GMT
The Ramadan/Berahino/Shaq would have the potential to get you maybe 30/40 in a season though! stick a Bojan in there too, who knows what could happen. Crouch/Walters/Mama would be 20 a season every season. More risk, greater reward with the flair players, that's the point. Ramadan needs to improve his decision making, and Shaq needs to chip in more, but with a properly balanced team, and a bit of creativity in the middle of midfield, I think there's a lot of potential. Wow 30/40 goals from Shaq Rama and Bera! Thats quite a leap from what they have previously managed. But somehow it has got to happen as there are no goal threats from anywhere else in the starting lineup Shawcross...unlikely Zouma...only ever scored 1 prem goal...fullbacks...gotta be joking...Delph, Allen Fletcher maybe 3/4 between them. The best goal threat is probably on the bench in the shape of Diouf and Crouch.....and I can't believe I am saying that (: I think we might be seeing quite a bit of game time from those 2. Last season the only teams to score less than us was the bottom 5...losing 2 goalscorers and no sign of bringing in anyone else to replace them is not ging to help our goals scored column and that has to be a worry It could happen though! It only takes one season where they click and we could be boosted up the table, god knows they have the talent and (it seems) attitude. Given some creativity in the middle of midfield, and more stability at the back, I have no doubt they could reach those levels.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 18, 2017 16:27:32 GMT
The Ramadan/Berahino/Shaq would have the potential to get you maybe 30/40 in a season though! stick a Bojan in there too, who knows what could happen. Crouch/Walters/Mama would be 20 a season every season. More risk, greater reward with the flair players, that's the point. Ramadan needs to improve his decision making, and Shaq needs to chip in more, but with a properly balanced team, and a bit of creativity in the middle of midfield, I think there's a lot of potential. Wow 30/40 goals from Shaq Rama and Bera! Thats quite a leap from what they have previously managed. But somehow it has got to happen as there are no goal threats from anywhere else in the starting lineup Shawcross...unlikely Zouma...only ever scored 1 prem goal...fullbacks...gotta be joking...Delph, Allen Fletcher maybe 3/4 between them. The best goal threat is probably on the bench in the shape of Diouf and Crouch.....and I can't believe I am saying that (: I think we might be seeing quite a bit of game time from those 2. Last season the only teams to score less than us was the bottom 5...losing 2 goalscorers and no sign of bringing in anyone else to replace them is not ging to help our goals scored column and that has to be a worry Spot on we had too few goal last season and nowhere less its currently a recipe for a complete catastrophe of a season we now need two players capable of 15 goals between them on top of the back four strengthening , and I'm not sure we have the fiscal appetite for that in this market , sense our modern day Greenhoff moment is upon us .
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Post by mf37 on Jul 18, 2017 16:38:53 GMT
This seems very balanced to me:
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Bruno
Van der Wiel Fletcher Delph Gibbs
Shaqiri Berahino Ramadan
But that's five new players in your outfield 10 and it really would call into question some of the contract extensions already made and of course there's no place for Allen but I do think it would work.
Quite like that, but cannot imagine Hughes naming side without Allen (and with Ramandan).
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 18, 2017 16:51:16 GMT
This seems very balanced to me:
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Bruno
Van der Wiel Fletcher Delph Gibbs
Shaqiri Berahino Ramadan
But that's five new players in your outfield 10 and it really would call into question some of the contract extensions already made and of course there's no place for Allen but I do think it would work.
Quite like that, but cannot imagine Hughes naming side without Allen (and with Ramandan). I like it to.
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