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Post by southwalesstokie on Jul 17, 2017 16:03:15 GMT
Tymon for Erik and Bojan for Allen and you've got yourself a deal.
Van der Wiel is also a target. Would be a great signing!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 16:03:20 GMT
It really does amaze me how people just disregard our best centre half for the last so many years🙄
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Post by thevoid on Jul 17, 2017 16:03:46 GMT
Just a hunch, or have you heard something? Heard that we're on the verge of signing all three. BMI - Don't know what hold up is for sure. My personal guess is Porto and issues with third party ownership. Been told that it's almost done though. Player set on joining us and we obviously want him in asap. Zouma - everything signed our end. Player needs to sign off on Chelsea contract and then will be announced. Delph - told that everything agreed between us and player. Personal guess is hold up because of player and City. Nothing wrong from what we've done. All about players and their clubs. Be patient, they will come. Is Delph permanent or loan?
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Post by philb on Jul 17, 2017 16:04:06 GMT
I know our transfer team are a bit wank but would they really let the option just run out? something must have gone on behind closed doors between the 2 clubs, it can't be as simple as it's being made out to be. Correct. If it was simply a case of us putting pen to paper at £8.5m then I'm sure it would have been done. This may just possibly be 'third party ownership situation'.No-one can force Porto to sign. They clearly feel they can get more for BMI, following a good season in the PL window. Sounds like they've then been difficult, let time run down and have then claimed 'time has elapsed.' Stoke have said little or nothing about what's going on, probably so as to try NOT to piss Porto off! - while Porto have continued to play games. Seems that Porto also may have 'third party ownership',  'economic rights' situations that make it difficult for any club in negotiations with them over the sale of a player. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/what-is-third-party-ownership-in-football-and-why-is-it-controve/ Porto’s business model over the last 10+ years has been based largely on buying "cheap" players and then selling them after 1~3 years. Porto buys a player and sells 40-70% of his economic rights immediately to a fund to lower the investment. Despite sales reaching 10s of millions over recent years, Porto apparently haven't made a huge profit from transfers as the club only has 50% of the economic rights of many of its players. Porto sometimes buy back a % from these funds from the best players, but the cost is huge. Then also factor in agents fees etc and this may help to explain the prolonged situation. So perhaps the trickiest part of this negotiation is in Stoke trying to 'buy out' any third party ownership so that if/when BMI signs, he actually becomes a 100% Stoke player Surely though it's a simple matter of: 1. Do they want to sell him or not? 2. If they do, we want to buy him. 3. Agree a fee and personal terms. 4. JOB DONE 😀 Just can't see what the problem is 😉
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Post by southwalesstokie on Jul 17, 2017 16:04:21 GMT
It really does amaze me how people just disregard our best centre half for the last so many years🙄 You'd drop Zouma or BMI for Shawcross?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 16:05:37 GMT
It really does amaze me how people just disregard our best centre half for the last so many years🙄 You'd drop Zouma or BMI for Shawcross? They have to earn the right to displace the current captain.He'll play 3 centre halves anyhow😄
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 17, 2017 16:06:21 GMT
Tymon for Erik and Bojan for Allen and you've got yourself a deal. Van der Wiel is also a target. Would be a great signing! Van der Wiel would be great but can see him going Palace. That said didn't they just spend big money on a RB.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 17, 2017 16:07:12 GMT
It really does amaze me how people just disregard our best centre half for the last so many years🙄 Great servant but on form both are better.
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Post by alster on Jul 17, 2017 16:07:28 GMT
It really does amaze me how people just disregard our best centre half for the last so many years🙄 There is no place for sentiment he either is one of our best 2 CB's if we're playing a back 4 or he isn't. How he was playing 3 years ago doesn't count for shit.
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Post by bhp on Jul 17, 2017 16:07:50 GMT
Tymon for Erik and Bojan for Allen and you've got yourself a deal. Van der Wiel is also a target. Would be a great signing! Tymon not just yet, not sure about the Bojan situation at all. Van der Wiel is a Palace target isn't he?
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Post by bhp on Jul 17, 2017 16:09:04 GMT
Tymon for Erik and Bojan for Allen and you've got yourself a deal. Van der Wiel is also a target. Would be a great signing! Van der Wiel would be great but can see him going Palace. That said didn't they just spend big money on a RB. Spent a lot of Van Aanholt if that's who you're referring to? He's a left back though and in joined in January.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 16:09:05 GMT
It really does amaze me how people just disregard our best centre half for the last so many years🙄 There is no place for sentiment he either is one of our best 2 CB's if we're playing a back 4 or he isn't. How he was playing 3 years ago doesn't count for shit. Lets see when the season starts
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 16:09:50 GMT
It really does amaze me how people just disregard our best centre half for the last so many years🙄 Great servant but on form both are better. Form?We've played 3 friendlies🙄
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Post by alster on Jul 17, 2017 16:13:16 GMT
There is no place for sentiment he either is one of our best 2 CB's if we're playing a back 4 or he isn't. How he was playing 3 years ago doesn't count for shit. Lets see when the season starts I fully expect him to start. Just saying if you asked me to pick 2 from BMI, Zouma and Ryan he'd be sitting on the bench.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 16:13:54 GMT
Lets see when the season starts I fully expect him to start. Just saying if you asked me to pick 2 from BMI, Zouma and Ryan he'd be sitting on the bench. Fair enough that's your opinion
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Post by alster on Jul 17, 2017 16:19:14 GMT
I fully expect him to start. Just saying if you asked me to pick 2 from BMI, Zouma and Ryan he'd be sitting on the bench. Fair enough that's your opinion Pace and Power I think it would be the opinion of anyone who's watched Ryan the last 2 years without rose tinted spectacles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:38:24 GMT
I've watched Ryan consistently all through his career.
If he's fit he plays. He's a better centre back than Zouma or bruno, those two need to learn from Ryan
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 16:42:46 GMT
Hopefully this puts pay to their interest in BMI
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2017 16:44:27 GMT
I've watched Ryan consistently all through his career. If he's fit he plays. He's a better centre back than Zouma or bruno, those two need to learn from Ryan Zouma's spent the past few years learning from John Terry, with the greatest of respect, he ain't going to learn anything new from Ryan is he?
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Post by bombers1987 on Jul 17, 2017 16:45:18 GMT
I've watched Ryan consistently all through his career. If he's fit he plays. He's a better centre back than Zouma or bruno, those two need to learn from Ryan If u have watched him all through his career you will know that since his back injury he's never been the same player. Bruno is certainly better. Zouma is younger, quicker and stronger than shawcross. And we lack pace in the back four. He plays for me
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 17, 2017 16:46:20 GMT
Hopefully this puts pay to their interest in BMI That probably means they're interested in Ben Gibson. "Sky Sources" what a load of shit.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 17, 2017 16:47:22 GMT
Great servant but on form both are better. Form?We've played 3 friendlies🙄 Carrying on from last season. For me Indi was the better of the pair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:49:49 GMT
I've watched Ryan consistently all through his career. If he's fit he plays. He's a better centre back than Zouma or bruno, those two need to learn from Ryan Zouma's spent the past few years learning from John Terry, with the greatest of respect, he ain't going to learn anything new from Ryan is he? Ryan played well last season. He's been superb for us season on season. He is not going to be dropped and neither should he be. He has struggled since his back injury but his level is still high. Zouma will no doubt have to play but bruno would not get into my team ahead of shawcross, no way. He is a good player but not a better defender than shawx
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Post by nott1 on Jul 17, 2017 16:49:59 GMT
I haven't seen Tymon do enough to displace Eric yet, anyone disagree?
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 17, 2017 16:50:13 GMT
We want both and I'm confident that we'll get both. ...and Delph! Nice to see some positivity for a change!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2017 16:53:24 GMT
Hopefully this puts pay to their interest in BMI £20m? LOL.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 17, 2017 16:56:24 GMT
Tymon for Erik and Bojan for Allen and you've got yourself a deal. Van der Wiel is also a target. Would be a great signing! Something in van der wiel link then?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 17, 2017 17:25:52 GMT
Hopefully this puts pay to their interest in BMI Is that the arsehole who got sent off at the Brit when we spanked them 3-2. I say spanked because we should have been 4-0 up but for a site ref.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 17:29:27 GMT
Hopefully this puts pay to their interest in BMI Is that the arsehole who got sent off at the Brit when we spanked them 3-2. I say spanked because we should have been 4-0 up but for a site ref. Yes that's him £20 fuckin million 😄😄
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Post by Northy on Jul 17, 2017 17:31:02 GMT
Heard that we're on the verge of signing all three. BMI - Don't know what hold up is for sure. My personal guess is Porto and issues with third party ownership. Been told that it's almost done though. Player set on joining us and we obviously want him in asap. Zouma - everything signed our end. Player needs to sign off on Chelsea contract and then will be announced. Delph - told that everything agreed between us and player. Personal guess is hold up because of player and City. Nothing wrong from what we've done. All about players and their clubs. Be patient, they will come. Let's hope so would give us a decent first 11 if they all join Jack Edwards Indi Zouma Eric Fletcher Delph Allen Shaq Sobhi Berahino 4-1-2-2-1 that's a bit like a dance lesson
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