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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2017 15:21:37 GMT
Sobhi is up to the job.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 10, 2017 15:21:37 GMT
Surely no low release cause otherwise why hand in a transfer request and lose his "loyalty bonus"? The bidding starts at £30 million Marco
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:22:06 GMT
Doesn't help the situation, when we've signed nobody of note, and don't even get mentioned with anyone of note. Disgraceful!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2017 15:22:12 GMT
Knowing West Ham ,it'll be a long, attritional, disruptive campaign to get him out on the cheap.
Doubt it'll be a case of them offering £25m tomorrow.
I hope he goes ASAP now though
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 10, 2017 15:22:16 GMT
I've seen nothing of Verlinden but heard he's very highly rated, what do those who watch the academy regularly make of him? Could him and Sobhi potentially fill such a large void? Bayern rates him.
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 15:23:02 GMT
No we're not we're asking him to play wide Left. It really isn't compulsory for our team to be so devoid of creativity in other areas. We're asking him to play wide left, yes, and step into the shoes of the team's talisman. Even if we do add more creative options, they're still huge shoes to fill and I'd like to see us have more wide options to give him a breather if an when needed. I'd also like to see a direct option in the mix somewhere too because we're crying out for pace. If we bring in a direct replacement we can wave goodbye to Ramadan at his earliest opportunity to leave and that would be totally understandable. He has to be given the role sign someone to push him by all means but its got to be his shirt to lose.
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Post by arnie3010 on Jul 10, 2017 15:24:38 GMT
I've seen nothing of Verlinden but heard he's very highly rated, what do those who watch the academy regularly make of him? Could him and Sobhi potentially fill such a large void? Bayern rates him. Still need another winger for the right side
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 10, 2017 15:24:40 GMT
The club with seemingly little ambition in the transfer market has for whatever reason decided to tread water this season. I don't blame Arnie for wanting a move to a club with more ambition and lets face it he won't find it difficulty to find a club who are looking to move forward rather than standstill. We will lose perhaps our major creative force. Ramadan will probably do OK but he is certainly not in the same class as Arnie and a team with limited creativity will struggle even more to score goals. It will be interesting to see if our recruitment team have a plan B here if Arnie goes...I am not holding my breath.
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Post by Biblical on Jul 10, 2017 15:24:47 GMT
Knowing West Ham ,it'll be a long, attritional, disruptive campaign to get him out on the cheap. Doubt it'll be a case of them offering £25m tomorrow. I hope he goes ASAP now though I'd want £30 million+ in this bonkers market FM. I agree though the last thing we want is a drawn out saga, we need to really know where we stand so we can figure out how we want to replace him.
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 10, 2017 15:25:04 GMT
.. your notifications are about to go through the roof, something you wanted no doubt. Couldn't give a fuck. I was one of the few being realistic and saying what we could do in this situation. Arnies a decent player, but I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be. Sell him for a decent fee, give Ramadan some confidence and look at replacing Arnie. I feel Ramdadan could do a better job than Arnie. like some kind of insurance post where you win both ways you mean? if he stays you'd surely be happy at our best player staying and if he goes you can say 'I told you so' to the people with the popular opinion that he wouldn't want to leave and brag about it...
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Post by superbojan on Jul 10, 2017 15:26:01 GMT
needs sorting.
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Post by george2again on Jul 10, 2017 15:26:16 GMT
Yarmalenko anyone. Direct replacement
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 10, 2017 15:26:37 GMT
Can we get Jon back?!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 10, 2017 15:26:58 GMT
We're asking him to play wide left, yes, and step into the shoes of the team's talisman. Even if we do add more creative options, they're still huge shoes to fill and I'd like to see us have more wide options to give him a breather if an when needed. I'd also like to see a direct option in the mix somewhere too because we're crying out for pace. If we bring in a direct replacement we can wave goodbye to Ramadan at his earliest opportunity to leave and that would be totally understandable. He has to be given the role sign someone to push him by all means but its got to be his shirt to lose. You're probably right when you put it like that. Signing someone to push him is the key thing as you say.
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Post by akstoke93 on Jul 10, 2017 15:27:02 GMT
Sobhi wont be up to Arnie standard for another 2/3 years in my eyes. Would need a replacement ASAP if we lost him.
Understand everyone frustrations at signing's but surely the club are trying to get to that next level. Cant just start chucking 40/50 million at players.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 10, 2017 15:27:27 GMT
To hand in a transfer request means he has already been refused permission to talk to an interested party(s)? I thought that's how it worked? Plus the fact he has means he has to forego any loyalty bonus and fee percentages? Fuck him off! I can go from crying to anger very quickly, even having the anger, when the crying starts!
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Post by corkstokie on Jul 10, 2017 15:27:44 GMT
Couldn't give a fuck. I was one of the few being realistic and saying what we could do in this situation. Arnies a decent player, but I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be. Sell him for a decent fee, give Ramadan some confidence and look at replacing Arnie. I feel Ramdadan could do a better job than Arnie. like some kind of insurance post where you win both ways you mean? if he stays you'd surely be happy at our best player staying and if he goes you can say 'I told you so' to the people with the popular opinion that he wouldn't want to leave and brag about it... Moments of sublime brilliance but never warmed to him - wished we'd have gone all out for Redmond when we had the chance
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Post by gonk on Jul 10, 2017 15:27:49 GMT
As with Bego, great shame to lose him, but we have a ready made replacement, who I think will give 100%, 100% of the time and will be just as creative. Mark Hughes saved his career, Everton wouldn't give him what he wanted last summer, he is the darling of the Stoke fans (after Bojan maybe) and he made a long term commitment to stay with us. This is how he repays us. Maybe he feels uncomfortable with Ramadan breathing down his neck and seeing him perform on the practice field, or jealous of Bojan's popularity. Arni's great when he is up for it, but I'm afraid that is too seldom, like Shaq. Take the money and invest in more young players. It's defenders we need to stay in the Prem, not show ponies who don't turn out often enough. He can bring a smile to my face, but he can also be very annoying. I think he is making a big mistake. Stoke fans aren't used to having star players and will look past his tantrums and love him. But big club/city fans will not be impressed by his antics and body language and he could suddenly find his career going down a blind alley as it was before Hughes gave him a fresh chance. I normally wish players well, who decide to move on, particularly if they have been given good service, but at the moment I am a bit shocked by this announcement and have a bad taste about it. It feels like he has come back from the holidays and crossed Hughes (or someone) in some way. If it is a club v player disagreement, I'm supporting the club. I always have and always will. He will go from Hero to Zero .If its a champions league club thats fair, but if its West Ham we all know why he is going.If that is the case i for one will not be applaud him it will be the complete opposite when he comes back.,just hope we get a good price for him.On talk sport that Jim shite was saying Everton are still after 3 more players so they could be in for him again.The only good thing that might come out of it would be the new contract as we could have lost him for fuck all last season.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2017 15:28:27 GMT
Sobhi wont be up to Arnie standard for another 2/3 years in my eyes. Would need a replacement ASAP if we lost him. Understand everyone frustrations at signing's but surely the club are trying to get to that next level. Cant just start chucking 40/50 million at players. He's a regular international and he's up to it NOW!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 10, 2017 15:29:17 GMT
Its not the fact of Arnie going that bothers me, its how Hughes spends any transfer funds to replace him
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Post by akstoke93 on Jul 10, 2017 15:29:41 GMT
Sobhi wont be up to Arnie standard for another 2/3 years in my eyes. Would need a replacement ASAP if we lost him. Understand everyone frustrations at signing's but surely the club are trying to get to that next level. Cant just start chucking 40/50 million at players. He's a regular international and he's up to it NOW! Just don't feel like he has that Power and strength that Arnie offers us... obviously he brings something totally different, but will Hughes trust him?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 10, 2017 15:30:01 GMT
Bollox. Big, hairy bollox.
Do a Swansea a la Sigurdsson.
Slap 50 big on his head; that'd make Brady & the porno bros think twice.
I do think we should put a mahoosive fee on him. Is there a release clause trigger does anyone know?
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Post by bhp on Jul 10, 2017 15:30:04 GMT
As much as I'd love this to happen and I'd take him over Arnautovic, I can't see one of the most highly rated young wingers moving from one mid table club to another. I think Gray will stay put this season but when he does go he'll be a player for a top 6 team. If Arnautovic goes for around £25m or more how much would Gray cost? £30M+? Gray isn't playing every week though? Which is why he might be more amenable to moving. Why would he go for more than Arnie? Yes he's only started 9 games, appeared in a further 21 the lad has a lot of talent is 21 and will play considerably more next season, if not I'd be very surprised. If he was not guaranteed more game time next season their will be much bigger clubs than us looking at him. Why he will go for more than Arnautovic: He's 7 years younger. Currently he not far behind Arnautovic in terms of ability, or same level. English, home grown factor. He has a hell of a lot of potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:30:19 GMT
He's a regular international and he's up to it NOW! Just don't feel like he has that Power and strength that Arnie offers us... obviously he brings something totally different, but will Hughes trust him? Sobhi is more than ready.
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Post by Waggy on Jul 10, 2017 15:30:31 GMT
We're asking him to play wide left, yes, and step into the shoes of the team's talisman. Even if we do add more creative options, they're still huge shoes to fill and I'd like to see us have more wide options to give him a breather if an when needed. I'd also like to see a direct option in the mix somewhere too because we're crying out for pace. If we bring in a direct replacement we can wave goodbye to Ramadan at his earliest opportunity to leave and that would be totally understandable. He has to be given the role sign someone to push him by all means but its got to be his shirt to lose. Your right Alster.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 10, 2017 15:30:50 GMT
Pretty sad if this is the case. Can only hope he ends up on the continent. Id hate to see him in West Ham colours. Another ex player at the Bet365 on claret and blue ?😢
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Post by liamo on Jul 10, 2017 15:31:08 GMT
What effect will this have on the squad as a whole? Big talent doesn't see us as ambitious enough just as we're about to kick off our preseason friendlies
Hard to take anything positive atm, knicker wetting is 100% allowed at the moment
Shit 2 years of form, shit manager lingering on, most talented attacking player jumping ship
I need a few beers
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 10, 2017 15:31:30 GMT
Time to place our faith in Sobhi. Give him game time at his age and he'll prove to be better than Arnie.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 10, 2017 15:31:52 GMT
Gray isn't playing every week though? Which is why he might be more amenable to moving. Why would he go for more than Arnie? Yes he's only started 9 games, appeared in a further 21 the lad has a lot of talent is 21 and will play considerably more next season, if not I'd be very surprised. If he was not guaranteed more game time next season their will be much bigger clubs than us looking at him. Why he will go for more than Arnautovic: He's 7 years younger. Currently he not far behind Arnautovic in terms of ability, or same level. English, home grown factor. He has a hell of a lot of potential. I don't see, even in these days of crazy prices, anyone paying £30m plus for Gray just yet. Bigger clubs than us are looking at him but he's at an age where he needs to play regularly and none of the big clubs can offer that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:31:57 GMT
Fuck me. Lose him and we are in the shit Absolute rubbish. He ain't that good. He's a good mid table premier league player who has moments of magic in his locker. Lionel Messi he ain't. He's also on a shit load of money on a long contract. The balls in our court.
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