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Post by penkvillepotter on Jul 10, 2017 15:09:10 GMT
This is not a defence of the club but I genuinely don't know why the suicide squad are out in such numbers. Fair do's if this is as good as it gets by the end of the window or even the start of the season I too will be concerned.
Do you honestly think our lot are just sitting there looking out the windows at Clayton Wood. This happens all the time. We did this to West Brom with Berahino. Course and distance and if he's had a good summer in the paddock so to speak then and starts banging them in this will well and truly piss on West Brom's chips. If not it's another nail in Hughes's coffin.
I saw Shaqiri play in the hole at Southampton, plenty of promise there, I also saw Ramadan have a very decent game. He's shows bags of promise that may well flourish with regular games. Or we could refuse Armie's request but after the way he dragged his feet signing this contract today's news was fairly inevitable.
I understand the frustrations but in the grand scheme of things but it's not even mid July yet, plenty of clubs have done nowt. Beside this isn't like when Greenhoff went believe me.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 10, 2017 15:09:19 GMT
And you all laughed at me for being realistic about this. Now I'm laughing at all of you. .. your notifications are about to go through the roof, something you wanted no doubt. Couldn't give a fuck. I was one of the few being realistic and saying what we could do in this situation. Arnies a decent player, but I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be. Sell him for a decent fee, give Ramadan some confidence and look at replacing Arnie. I feel Ramdadan could do a better job than Arnie.
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Post by Gifton on Jul 10, 2017 15:09:24 GMT
And you all laughed at me for being realistic about this. Now I'm laughing at all of you. Fuck off
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 10, 2017 15:09:58 GMT
That's an awful lot of pressure to heap on a bloke only just out of his teens Grapey? Yeah - it's a fine balancing act. But if we bring in another front-line wide player who expects to start every game, Sobhi is going to still be in a position where he's struggling for minutes. Tricky one to judge. Clutching massively at straws, it'd give us the chance to get hold of a proper, Moses-type direct speed merchant, which we're crying out for. I'm all for having a pool of 3-4 youngish wingers and letting them hunger games it out, metaphorically speaking, for the starting spots.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2017 15:10:21 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 10, 2017 15:10:39 GMT
.. your notifications are about to go through the roof, something you wanted no doubt. Couldn't give a fuck. I was one of the few being realistic and saying what we could do in this situation. Arnies a decent player, but I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be. Sell him for a decent fee, give Ramadan some confidence and look at replacing Arnie. I feel Ramdadan could do a better job than Arnie. Sound 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:10:52 GMT
And you all laughed at me for being realistic about this. Now I'm laughing at all of you. Fuck off Wish he would
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 15:11:09 GMT
If he goes, don't we need to let Ramadan sink or swim though? With Verlinden taking his role as next-in-line. Then splash the money elsehere? That's an awful lot of pressure to heap on a bloke only just out of his teens Grapey? Young footballer gets to play football, what pressure.
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Post by Gifton on Jul 10, 2017 15:11:25 GMT
Look at me! Look at me! This is an example to all parents out there, love and pay attention to your kids or they'll end up like this guy....
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 10, 2017 15:11:53 GMT
As with Bego, great shame to lose him, but we have a ready made replacement, who I think will give 100%, 100% of the time and will be just as creative.
Mark Hughes saved his career, Everton wouldn't give him what he wanted last summer, he is the darling of the Stoke fans (after Bojan maybe) and he made a long term commitment to stay with us. This is how he repays us. Maybe he feels uncomfortable with Ramadan breathing down his neck and seeing him perform on the practice field, or jealous of Bojan's popularity.
Arni's great when he is up for it, but I'm afraid that is too seldom, like Shaq. Take the money and invest in more young players. It's defenders we need to stay in the Prem, not show ponies who don't turn out often enough. He can bring a smile to my face, but he can also be very annoying.
I think he is making a big mistake. Stoke fans aren't used to having star players and will look past his tantrums and love him. But big club/city fans will not be impressed by his antics and body language and he could suddenly find his career going down a blind alley as it was before Hughes gave him a fresh chance.
I normally wish players well, who decide to move on, particularly if they have been given good service, but at the moment I am a bit shocked by this announcement and have a bad taste about it. It feels like he has come back from the holidays and crossed Hughes (or someone) in some way. If it is a club v player disagreement, I'm supporting the club. I always have and always will.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 10, 2017 15:12:46 GMT
It's okay, Balde keita is coming, panic over.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 10, 2017 15:12:56 GMT
For God's sake get the biggest fee and move on. He's really not worth the fuss.
Imagine him in London. The 3 in 10 games will turn to 2 in 10.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 10, 2017 15:13:07 GMT
That's an awful lot of pressure to heap on a bloke only just out of his teens Grapey? Young footballer gets to play football, what pressure. 20-year-old is tasked with replacing the team's primary creative threat and talisman. I'm all for him playing more, but I'd like to have another option as well. Expecting him to match Arnie's impact straight away is asking a lot, and realistically that's what we'd be asking him to do.
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Post by kurt on Jul 10, 2017 15:13:39 GMT
He says he's "frustrated with the lack of ambition at the club" Me too
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Post by cooper67 on Jul 10, 2017 15:13:49 GMT
I can feel the gravity crocodile preparing for a death roll.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 10, 2017 15:14:26 GMT
That's an awful lot of pressure to heap on a bloke only just out of his teens Grapey? Yeah - it's a fine balancing act. But if we bring in another front-line wide player who expects to start every game, Sobhi is going to still be in a position where he's struggling for minutes. Tricky one to judge. Ramadan is the heir apparent and, if Arnie goes, has to be given the chance to make the spot his own. Thibaud can then get some minutes from the bench as we groom him to be our next star. Both, if they are as good as some think, will be sold in the next three or four years as well - life goes on. We are in dire need of reinforcements elsewhere in the team, most clearly in finding Ryan a new partner at the back, so the money is far better spent there.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 10, 2017 15:14:27 GMT
The Austrian international, has grown increasingly frustrated with what he sees as a lack of ambition at the bet365 Stadium, and wants to be able to move on this summer. Cant argue with that There you are as I thought😡we really are playing a dangerous game with our premiership future Get a decent fee and fuck him off i say.Has been shite for the most part.Over hyped by the pundits and painfully frustrating. This will give Sohbi a good run and hopefully we will all benifit. As for the lack of ambition? More like a wage increase and fancies living in London.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:14:42 GMT
-Arnie eyes bigger move as contract talks come to a head
-Arnie and Austria have a bang average tournament
-No teams of any note come in for Arnie so he signs a new contract stating his love for the club
-Clubs willing to pay Arnie a lot more than we do show an interest in him and turn his and his agents head.
-Arnie hands in a transfer request citing "lack of ambition"
That's how I see events, I love Arnie and he's the kind of player I want to see playing for us every week but if he wants to go then the buying club need to be prepared to put their money where their mouth is for a player with 3 years on his contract in his prime.
And if he sulks step forward Sobhi, your opportunity awaits.....
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 10, 2017 15:15:07 GMT
I can feel the gravity crocodile preparing for a death roll. With any luck, it'll turn on its master, like Ramsay Bolton's dogs.
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2017 15:15:33 GMT
Young footballer gets to play football, what pressure. 20-year-old is tasked with replacing the team's primary creative threat and talisman. I'm all for him playing more, but I'd like to have another option as well. Expecting him to match Arnie's impact straight away is asking a lot, and realistically that's what we'd be asking him to do. No we're not we're asking him to play wide Left. It really isn't compulsory for our team to be so devoid of creativity in other areas. In fact its not healthy at all.
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Post by Waggy on Jul 10, 2017 15:17:12 GMT
Moaning bugger . Throw your hands up at this ( im putting one finger up - as in up your) - in reference to him always throwing his arms in the air if things dont go his way.
I dont think i need to explain
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2017 15:17:40 GMT
There you are as I thought😡we really are playing a dangerous game with our premiership future Get a decent fee and fuck him off i say.Has been shite for the most part.Over hyped by the pundits and painfully frustrating. This will give Sohbi a good run and hopefully we will all benifit. As for the lack of ambition? More like a wage increase and fancies living in London. He is frustrating mate as we both know but he's a match winner on his day and we have very few of them in our team right now.The bigger question for me though is fo you trust Hughes to spend the Arnie money wisely?
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 10, 2017 15:17:54 GMT
One of the reasons we didn't perform last season was his dismal performances.
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Post by slicko on Jul 10, 2017 15:18:01 GMT
No transfer is guaranteed just by putting a request in.
If true, I don't know why players go public with these requests. If it doesn't happen then he ends up turning the supporters against him and the management's trust and respect is lost.
Nasty turn of events.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 10, 2017 15:18:14 GMT
20-year-old is tasked with replacing the team's primary creative threat and talisman. I'm all for him playing more, but I'd like to have another option as well. Expecting him to match Arnie's impact straight away is asking a lot, and realistically that's what we'd be asking him to do. No we're not we're asking him to play wide Left. It really isn't compulsory for our team to be so devoid of creativity in other areas. We're asking him to play wide left, yes, and step into the shoes of the team's talisman. Even if we do add more creative options, they're still huge shoes to fill and I'd like to see us have more wide options to give him a breather if an when needed. I'd also like to see a direct option in the mix somewhere too because we're crying out for pace.
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Post by robstokie on Jul 10, 2017 15:18:19 GMT
I hope the board has the sense not to sell him to West Ham. We can Ill afford to give away our best players to teams who are one of our opponents to sneak into the top 10. Particularly ones who can both create and score their fair share of goals.
If or when Arnie leaves, I hope we look to bring in a quality replacement - not some aging has been on a free looking for one last big paycheck.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 10, 2017 15:19:15 GMT
Fuck me. Lose him and we are in the shit Why? He's our only current real attacking threat. Take him out the team and our spark goes.
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Post by arnie3010 on Jul 10, 2017 15:19:48 GMT
Arnie is our most highly paid. Our wage bill for the year is around £75 m, I believe. Which must be the high end of what we can afford. I don't feel a lack of ambition is fact. Most likely we need a squad of 25 without spending out more than we already are on wages. Ambition to stay mid table with no more being spent on wages is possibly our aim. A team to take us forward . I love Arnie Then some from the mix of Adam, Crouch and Diouf have to go to free up some wages.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2017 15:20:09 GMT
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Post by Biblical on Jul 10, 2017 15:20:59 GMT
I've seen nothing of Verlinden but heard he's very highly rated, what do those who watch the academy regularly make of him?
Could him and Sobhi potentially fill such a large void?
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