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Post by skelman on Jul 18, 2017 14:29:15 GMT
You've just summed up football players perfectly, what would you do if you were in charge? I'm genuinely curious because this board is split down the middle about it, we either tell West Ham to fuck off and tell Arnie to settle down because he's going nowhere.. which runs the risk of Arnie doing a Berahino at West Brom, it also sends out a message to talented players "sign for Stoke, you'll be imprisoned here until your contract is up, suck it up your little bitch" Or We sell a player that doesn't want to be here anymore who has massively damaged any chance of us getting the best possible deal by letting his agent run his mouth off to the press and handing in a transfer request, it's that simple, we will never get the "right amount" for a player that has handed in a transfer request Some of us think we should keep him and play him, some think we should keep him and not play him and some want him gone, personally i think he's fucked us over massively and we should take the £23m and run, it isn't what he's worth but that doesn't mean it's bad business on our end, it means his actions have fucked us over For me its SO SIMPLE what we should do Tell the WHOLE WORLD our valuation and selling price = 30M Any bidders welcome. If West Ham wont pay then they obviously didnt want Arnie that badly, so Arnie better realise its tough shite. If he REALLY wants the move to happen then his stupid agent brother should be convincing West Ham to pump up the 30M in return for a lower signing on fee. I cant believe Stoke havent done the obvious and stated our player valuation. EVERY other muthafucka does it in the Premier League. They did 3 days ago - £22.5m
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2017 14:31:02 GMT
For me its SO SIMPLE what we should do Tell the WHOLE WORLD our valuation and selling price = 30M Any bidders welcome. If West Ham wont pay then they obviously didnt want Arnie that badly, so Arnie better realise its tough shite. If he REALLY wants the move to happen then his stupid agent brother should be convincing West Ham to pump up the 30M in return for a lower signing on fee. I cant believe Stoke havent done the obvious and stated our player valuation. EVERY other muthafucka does it in the Premier League. They did 3 days ago - £22.5m Stoke haven't put any valuation on Arnie's head publicly. Unless I've missed it?
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 18, 2017 14:32:18 GMT
You've just summed up football players perfectly, what would you do if you were in charge? I'm genuinely curious because this board is split down the middle about it, we either tell West Ham to fuck off and tell Arnie to settle down because he's going nowhere.. which runs the risk of Arnie doing a Berahino at West Brom, it also sends out a message to talented players "sign for Stoke, you'll be imprisoned here until your contract is up, suck it up your little bitch" Or We sell a player that doesn't want to be here anymore who has massively damaged any chance of us getting the best possible deal by letting his agent run his mouth off to the press and handing in a transfer request, it's that simple, we will never get the "right amount" for a player that has handed in a transfer request Some of us think we should keep him and play him, some think we should keep him and not play him and some want him gone, personally i think he's fucked us over massively and we should take the £23m and run, it isn't what he's worth but that doesn't mean it's bad business on our end, it means his actions have fucked us over For me its SO SIMPLE what we should do Tell the WHOLE WORLD our valuation and selling price = 30M Any bidders welcome. If West Ham wont pay then they obviously didnt want Arnie that badly, so Arnie better realise its tough shite. If he REALLY wants the move to happen then his stupid agent brother should be convincing West Ham to pump up the 30M in return for a lower signing on fee. I cant believe Stoke havent done the obvious and stated our player valuation. EVERY other muthafucka does it in the Premier League. Signing on fee? He won't want one it's all about ambition you see.
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Post by liamo on Jul 18, 2017 14:36:29 GMT
You've just summed up football players perfectly, what would you do if you were in charge? I'm genuinely curious because this board is split down the middle about it, we either tell West Ham to fuck off and tell Arnie to settle down because he's going nowhere.. which runs the risk of Arnie doing a Berahino at West Brom, it also sends out a message to talented players "sign for Stoke, you'll be imprisoned here until your contract is up, suck it up your little bitch" Or We sell a player that doesn't want to be here anymore who has massively damaged any chance of us getting the best possible deal by letting his agent run his mouth off to the press and handing in a transfer request, it's that simple, we will never get the "right amount" for a player that has handed in a transfer request Some of us think we should keep him and play him, some think we should keep him and not play him and some want him gone, personally i think he's fucked us over massively and we should take the £23m and run, it isn't what he's worth but that doesn't mean it's bad business on our end, it means his actions have fucked us over For me its SO SIMPLE what we should do Tell the WHOLE WORLD our valuation and selling price = 30M Any bidders welcome. If West Ham wont pay then they obviously didnt want Arnie that badly, so Arnie better realise its tough shite. If he REALLY wants the move to happen then his stupid agent brother should be convincing West Ham to pump up the 30M in return for a lower signing on fee. I cant believe Stoke havent done the obvious and stated our player valuation. EVERY other muthafucka does it in the Premier League. It probably helps that most players don't weaken their current clubs position by handing in a transfer request as soon as another club comes sniffing around, as soon as a transfer request happens that's it, the fee is lower than it should be Look at Payet, West Ham were talking about not letting him go for less than £50m, ended up signing for Marseille for half that thanks to him publicly stating he wants to leave
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 18, 2017 14:36:34 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Our best player?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 14:37:13 GMT
It's not. Unless you know better than Pete Smith who has been told this by the club. Why would they say it's lower especially during a time we are trying to justify getting more money out of West Ham? Bild are saying otherwise You'd think Stoke would know better than them though presumably.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:39:26 GMT
Bild are saying otherwise You'd think Stoke would know better than them though presumably. Stoke maybe. Pete Smith maybe not
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 18, 2017 14:39:47 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Have you never seen Charlie Adam in full flight ?
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jul 18, 2017 14:41:17 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Our best player? Many people have said so on this thread. I happen to disagree but it's close.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:41:34 GMT
They did 3 days ago - £22.5m Stoke haven't put any valuation on Arnie's head publicly. Unless I've missed it? Don't think you have Dave, you hardly miss anything
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 14:41:58 GMT
This is the point I'm making. We are still very unfashionable and always will be and it's naive to think otherwise. It has to have some bearing on the value associated with our players. But that's our fault apparently. The only thing we are probably poor at is making a fuss when there is interest. Other clubs shout out ridiculous figures in the hope of bumping up the price but we remain very reticent. It's probably all very noble and professional but as we know it can sometimes be to your detriment. We'll never be a big and brash club but to be honest, in most situations I'm more than happy with that stance.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 14:43:09 GMT
You'd think Stoke would know better than them though presumably. Stoke maybe. Pete Smith maybe not That's who told him though so I'll take it as the truth personally.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 18, 2017 14:44:32 GMT
Stoke maybe. Pete Smith maybe not That's who told him though so I'll take it as the truth personally. For clarity, Jamo, are you saying Stoke have said it's a flat 500,000 euros or a 20% sell-on?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:46:55 GMT
Stoke maybe. Pete Smith maybe not That's who told him though so I'll take it as the truth personally. Cool. I'll wait and see it in black and white or hear it from the horses mouth....
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Post by pmjh on Jul 18, 2017 14:47:18 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Our best player? Apart from Jack yes by a country mile. So our best outfield player
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:47:26 GMT
23m is just ludicrously cheap. Taking out all emotion about him being a Stokie and our main man 28 years old - at his peak scores goals and makes assists Improved over time long-term contract Average players are going for 10-20M in this market I dont mind him leaving as I believe that Ramadam can more than fill his shoes. But when Kyle Walker is sold for 45M, just because Daniel Levy plays hardball and everyone knows it We are the equivalent of "taking candies from a baby" in negotiations. And his value is lowered by about 10 million thanks to his transfer request.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 18, 2017 14:49:09 GMT
Got to love the Oatcake. He hasn't gone, there's nothing official on any potential agreement or fee, yet all involved at Stoke are wank at their jobs and deserve to be publicly tarred and feathered. Brilliant.
I hope when the club do replace any of our senior execs, they recruit from these pages. We've got a fair few hundred candidates on here who could negotiate themselves around this problem with ease.
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Post by skelman on Jul 18, 2017 14:53:11 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 18, 2017 14:57:56 GMT
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Post by retired on Jul 18, 2017 15:01:05 GMT
what does it say when WHU are the only club interested..!!!!
is it his lack of consistancy or his attitude.
on his moment hes pretty good otherwise hes easily wound up we already carry Shaq and Bojan who again are fantastic on their day but otherwise not up to the mark
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Post by hammered on Jul 18, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
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Post by stokiekm on Jul 18, 2017 15:08:17 GMT
Got to love the Oatcake. He hasn't gone, there's nothing official on any potential agreement or fee, yet all involved at Stoke are wank at their jobs and deserve to be publicly tarred and feathered. Brilliant. I hope when the club do replace any of our senior execs, they recruit from these pages. We've got a fair few hundred candidates on here who could negotiate themselves around this problem with ease. Can't fault this. Tbh this managing and running a football club sounds really easy. I've got a feeling that some of the posters on here will also be ones that believe it's perfectly acceptable to have this attitude towards their local kids football clubs.. you know, those parents that make you proud to be involved in coaching. The ones that know everything but when it comes to actually helping of course run a mile lol
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2017 15:08:32 GMT
Since when has the Daily Mail officially spoken for Stoke City Football Club?
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Post by stokiekm on Jul 18, 2017 15:09:43 GMT
Can't say I'm really that bothered about any backup plans hammers may have. Thanks though.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 18, 2017 15:09:54 GMT
My favourite arni moment was v West ham
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 15:20:00 GMT
That's who told him though so I'll take it as the truth personally. For clarity, Jamo, are you saying Stoke have said it's a flat 500,000 euros or a 20% sell-on? A flat €500k mate.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 18, 2017 15:21:39 GMT
Our best player? Many people have said so on this thread. I happen to disagree but it's close. He was pretty awful last year,as were most of our team.If he was our best player which he wasn't imo,it would not be much of an accolade. I will be more than disappointed if he doesn't go . Probably as disappointed as the Porn brothers when they realise what they have bought.
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Post by happyending on Jul 18, 2017 15:24:17 GMT
What are your thoughts on Arnie? Do you think he's what you need and do you think he's worth the money?
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2017 15:25:04 GMT
For clarity, Jamo, are you saying Stoke have said it's a flat 500,000 euros or a 20% sell-on? A flat €500k mate. The Evening Standard are still reporting the 20% sell on, so I think it's best not to get too carried away with their version of events just yet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 15:31:00 GMT
But that's our fault apparently. The only thing we are probably poor at is making a fuss when there is interest. Other clubs shout out ridiculous figures in the hope of bumping up the price but we remain very reticent. It's probably all very noble and professional but as we know it can sometimes be to your detriment. We'll never be a big and brash club but to be honest, in most situations I'm more than happy with that stance. That is their job though Jamo! That is what Scholes gets paid nearly a million quid a year to do. To increase our reputation and when we sell players to ensure we get top whack. If it's 23m he had failed miserably.
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