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Post by hammered on Jul 18, 2017 15:37:47 GMT
What are your thoughts on Arnie? Do you think he's what you need and do you think he's worth the money? Personally I think the transfer fees for most players these days are bonkers - it certainly isn't the clubs that benefit - just the players taking the TV money or in the case of the super rich clubs - some might say cynical money moving!!? On the basis of what we've seen a few go for this window, £23m seems reasonable value and he's exactly what we need - particularly if he can hit the ground running. I posted the link above to highlight the multiple bid strategy Sullivan plays and why Stoke (in the absence of other clubs) might just have to take whats on the table.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 15:39:28 GMT
The Evening Standard are still reporting the 20% sell on, so I think it's best not to get too carried away with their version of events just yet. As ever there will be various versions probably all including some truth! That said I'd be very surprised if it's not done this week now. It's best for all concerned in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 15:39:37 GMT
For clarity, Jamo, are you saying Stoke have said it's a flat 500,000 euros or a 20% sell-on? A flat €500k mate. I think it was cross wires earlier then fella, that's what Bild were also claiming not the 20% sell on clause
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Post by MrDBrent on Jul 18, 2017 15:42:21 GMT
Arnautovic 🐍🐍🐍
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 18, 2017 15:44:54 GMT
I for one will be happy see the back of him. * what talent he has is normally overshadowed by his mood swings ( normally towards the last 3rd of games) horseshit * the negative effect his behaviour can or has had on the team ( not what I personally would want around our young players, really doesn't set a great example) top rated horseshit.the guy is supposedly well liked by majority of our players *he's shown no desire or worth to justify his reported 80k a week contract. The thing is I see him as replaceable. Plenty of talent around for the position he plays including Ramadan. Hopefully ramadan will cushion the blow of arnie leaving (we will see if hughes picks him) We paid 2 million for him and gave him a lifeline and a platform to prove he's not a difficult player to manage, he's not done that. ???? Hes been a pleasure to manage according to hughes, numerous times hughes has said this. Getting the report 23+ million for him will be a great bit of business for stoke, a huge profit. Not bad business Just my personal opinion on the whole situation 😎 Amended for you
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Post by MrDBrent on Jul 18, 2017 15:47:36 GMT
All I can say is Stoke better have a fucking good plan to replace him and sort this shambles out
Hughes out Scholes out
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 15:48:06 GMT
I think it was cross wires earlier then fella, that's what Bild were also claiming not the 20% sell on clause Ah I see! The joy of message boards mate! 👍👍 It's like texts in that you can read stuff how you want sometimes! My missus would say I'm being harsh in a text when I'm really not! 😂
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 15:49:46 GMT
The only thing we are probably poor at is making a fuss when there is interest. Other clubs shout out ridiculous figures in the hope of bumping up the price but we remain very reticent. It's probably all very noble and professional but as we know it can sometimes be to your detriment. We'll never be a big and brash club but to be honest, in most situations I'm more than happy with that stance. That is their job though Jamo! That is what Scholes gets paid nearly a million quid a year to do. To increase our reputation and when we sell players to ensure we get top whack. If it's 23m he had failed miserably. It is which is what I said we aren't that great at. The biggest factor in my opinion is the media perception of us and our players. We're generally disliked by many in the media as we made them look twats by staying in this league!
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Post by aascfc88 on Jul 18, 2017 15:51:54 GMT
I for one will be happy see the back of him. * what talent he has is normally overshadowed by his mood swings ( normally towards the last 3rd of games) horseshit * the negative effect his behaviour can or has had on the team ( not what I personally would want around our young players, really doesn't set a great example) top rated horseshit.the guy is supposedly well liked by majority of our players *he's shown no desire or worth to justify his reported 80k a week contract. The thing is I see him as replaceable. Plenty of talent around for the position he plays including Ramadan. Hopefully ramadan will cushion the blow of arnie leaving (we will see if hughes picks him) We paid 2 million for him and gave him a lifeline and a platform to prove he's not a difficult player to manage, he's not done that. ???? Hes been a pleasure to manage according to hughes, numerous times hughes has said this. Getting the report 23+ million for him will be a great bit of business for stoke, a huge profit. Not bad business Just my personal opinion on the whole situation 😎 Amended for you You obviously feel by keeping him at the club the team would benafit Now that's horseshit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 15:53:23 GMT
That is their job though Jamo! That is what Scholes gets paid nearly a million quid a year to do. To increase our reputation and when we sell players to ensure we get top whack. If it's 23m he had failed miserably. It is which is what I said we aren't that great at. The biggest factor in my opinion is the media perception of us and our players. We're generally disliked by many in the media as we made them look twats by staying in this league! And we haven't tried to change that. Hard I know but when Ramsey broke his leg I really do think we acted incorrectly with the press and Arsenal. Then was the chance to fight back and lay back and had our bellies tickled. A lot of the stuff was libellous and we let it happen. And yes nothing the club does impresses me but that's because I don't think we do much right. It all seems so slap dash.
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Post by barcaontrent on Jul 18, 2017 16:14:18 GMT
The More I think about it the angrier I get Slimy little snake
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 18, 2017 16:16:18 GMT
Some people may not like how Arnautovic and his brother have conducted themselves over this transfer, but everyone should remember that if Stoke make a bumper profit on this deal it's largely down to Arni himself and his performances for Stoke over the last four years.
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Post by lordb on Jul 18, 2017 16:20:17 GMT
Some people may not like how Arnautovic and his brother have conducted themselves over this transfer, but everyone should remember that if Stoke make a bumper profit on this deal it's largely down to Arni himself and his performances for Stoke over the last four years. Up to a point. Huge credit goes to Hughes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 16:21:12 GMT
Some people may not like how Arnautovic and his brother have conducted themselves over this transfer, but everyone should remember that if Stoke make a bumper profit on this deal it's largely down to Arni himself and his performances for Stoke over the last four years. That is one bizarre logic there Geoff. What are you suggesting, that we should somehow allow Arnie and his brother off for the despicable way that they've gone about this because his performances whilst he's been here have meant that his stock has risen?
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 18, 2017 16:21:29 GMT
Apparently our 'transfer team' are shite for letting him go on the cheap (even though he hasn't gone yet and no fee has been publicly disclosed).... Yet they get zero credit for the fee we paid for him in the first place. Remarkable.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 18, 2017 16:23:01 GMT
You obviously feel by keeping him at the club the team would benafit Now that's horseshit. Where have i said that? I agreed that hopefully ramadan will replace him as i rate ramadan. You said arnie had a negative effect on the team - horseshit. You said he was a nightmare to manage - horseshit. You said he only plays well in a 3rd of games (or summat similar) - horseshit.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 18, 2017 16:38:32 GMT
Some people may not like how Arnautovic and his brother have conducted themselves over this transfer, but everyone should remember that if Stoke make a bumper profit on this deal it's largely down to Arni himself and his performances for Stoke over the last four years. That is one bizarre logic there Geoff. What are you suggesting, that we should somehow allow Arnie and his brother off for the despicable way that they've gone about this because his performances whilst he's been here have meant that his stock has risen? Football is a ruthless business, whatever mistakes Arnie has made cannot outweigh the contribution he has made to Stoke City over the last four years, that's what I'm saying.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 18, 2017 16:40:12 GMT
Some people may not like how Arnautovic and his brother have conducted themselves over this transfer, but everyone should remember that if Stoke make a bumper profit on this deal it's largely down to Arni himself and his performances for Stoke over the last four years. Up to a point. Huge credit goes to Hughes. Yes Hughes deserves credit as well.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 18, 2017 17:05:39 GMT
See you later Austrian Heskey
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 18, 2017 17:11:05 GMT
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:11:56 GMT
See you later Austrian Heskey He was decent, but come on let's not overreact.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 17:14:23 GMT
Apparently our 'transfer team' are shite for letting him go on the cheap (even though he hasn't gone yet and no fee has been publicly disclosed).... Yet they get zero credit for the fee we paid for him in the first place. Remarkable. They got praise for that at the time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 18, 2017 17:19:51 GMT
Some people may not like how Arnautovic and his brother have conducted themselves over this transfer, but everyone should remember that if Stoke make a bumper profit on this deal it's largely down to Arni himself and his performances for Stoke over the last four years. That is one bizarre logic there Geoff. What are you suggesting, that we should somehow allow Arnie and his brother off for the despicable way that they've gone about this because his performances whilst he's been here have meant that his stock has risen? Of course that is what he's suggesting and it is very easy to suggest that a "a fan of potteries football" rather than a supporter of stoke city. I loved Arnie and thought he was a superb player. My little boys loved him and both have his name emblazoned across a variety of their stoke kits old and new. We are all gutted he's leaving, particularly for a sideways move to a club like west ham who are no more likely win a cup, finish top 6 than we are. It is a kick in the teeth and the fact he was loved so much will be the reason he'll be despised on his return and abused royally. That's what happens when you make emotional investments in supporting your club and it is a concept geoff123 will never be able to understand or appreciate.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 18, 2017 17:20:10 GMT
It is which is what I said we aren't that great at. The biggest factor in my opinion is the media perception of us and our players. We're generally disliked by many in the media as we made them look twats by staying in this league! And we haven't tried to change that. Hard I know but when Ramsey broke his leg I really do think we acted incorrectly with the press and Arsenal. Then was the chance to fight back and lay back and had our bellies tickled. A lot of the stuff was libellous and we let it happen. And yes nothing the club does impresses me but that's because I don't think we do much right. It all seems so slap dash. All that may be true. However, It's unlikely a small company like Stoke would sue a big company like Arsenal because libel is hard to prove and big company will tie the the little one up in knots. The Coates family may have deep pockets but I doubt they'd consider it worth the effort or risk the cost of losing.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 18, 2017 17:23:13 GMT
See you later Austrian Heskey He was decent, but come on let's not overreact. Maybe, but he was still the best we had and exciting to watch (some of the time). We're putting a lot of faith in Sohbi. There's probably more to this story than we'll ever know because there aways is.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:24:17 GMT
He was decent, but come on let's not overreact. Maybe, but he was still the best we had and exciting to watch (some of the time). We're putting a lot of faith in Sohbi. There's probably more to this story than we'll ever know because there aways is. I don't think you sensed my sarcasm
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 18, 2017 17:25:26 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 18, 2017 17:29:54 GMT
Didn't think Matty was a fan of him!
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 17:32:11 GMT
Didn't think Matty was a fan of him! Matty doesn't even watch Stoke, loads of pundits have an opinion on us and why we're not happy, but they don't even have a clue what it's like to watch us for a full-season.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 18, 2017 17:34:53 GMT
A real shame we have to give Werder Bremen 20% of the fee.
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