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Post by Han Solo on Jul 18, 2017 13:54:44 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. I'd suggest Butland and Shaq would get more. Isn't he the Hammers biggest ever signing.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2017 13:55:49 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Good try
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 13:56:11 GMT
On that though he does/did always play well against West Ham and mostly scored or assisted.
Wonder if the move was always in the plan and he was trying that little bit harder?
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 18, 2017 13:56:29 GMT
Because we are run by a bunch of imebeciles who don't try. They are half arsed and accept mediocrity because we allow them to. And then slap them on the back for doing just enough. I hate it. So the club is run by imbeciles, and 'we' (presuming you mean the fans here) allow them to accept mediocrity. So what should 'we' do to arrest that? Take to social media and blart like a big girls blouse. I wish my life was so care free that I could get so massively upset over little things like this.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 18, 2017 13:57:23 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. He's not yours yet, perhaps we want £36m!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 13:59:13 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Your reappearance on here isn't doing you any favours. Thanks for the critique but we'll manage without him, and that's speaking as an Arnie fan. £35 million? Now you really are taking the mickey. He's not worth it and you don't have the money. See you next season.
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Post by datguy on Jul 18, 2017 14:00:43 GMT
Where has this £23m come from? If it's the Evening Standard then we can automatically assume it's horseshite.
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Post by datguy on Jul 18, 2017 14:01:26 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Can't wait see him go tbh.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 18, 2017 14:01:41 GMT
On that though he does/did always play well against West Ham and mostly scored or assisted. Wonder if the move was always in the plan and he was trying that little bit harder? So, when he scored that fab last gasp equaliser God knows how long ago, he was already plotting his relocation to East London? Cor blimey, luv a duck
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 14:04:20 GMT
On that though he does/did always play well against West Ham and mostly scored or assisted. Wonder if the move was always in the plan and he was trying that little bit harder? So, when he scored that fab last gasp equaliser God knows how long ago, he was already plotting his relocation to East London? Cor blimey, luv a duck Dunno wasn't there something posted earlier on in the thread about his/his brothers links to west ham? I always put money on him scoring against West ham.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 18, 2017 14:05:00 GMT
And therefore handing a golden invitation to every other shady agent and trumped up twenty something millionaire with a bit of magic in his boots to rip the piss out of us. You've just summed up football players perfectly, what would you do if you were in charge? I'm genuinely curious because this board is split down the middle about it, we either tell West Ham to fuck off and tell Arnie to settle down because he's going nowhere.. which runs the risk of Arnie doing a Berahino at West Brom, it also sends out a message to talented players "sign for Stoke, you'll be imprisoned here until your contract is up, suck it up your little bitch" Or We sell a player that doesn't want to be here anymore who has massively damaged any chance of us getting the best possible deal by letting his agent run his mouth off to the press and handing in a transfer request, it's that simple, we will never get the "right amount" for a player that has handed in a transfer request Some of us think we should keep him and play him, some think we should keep him and not play him and some want him gone, personally i think he's fucked us over massively and we should take the £23m and run, it isn't what he's worth but that doesn't mean it's bad business on our end, it means his actions have fucked us over This. It might not be bad business, it's possibly the best business we could do in the circumstances. Only one club interested and they're contemplating breaking their club record for him. Some might feel that 23 mill is a bit light but it's a nigh on a 10 fold increase on our investment and we've had a few good seasons out of the lad. I love Arnie but I'm happy if him leaving takes the sting out of a BMI, Zouma and Delph triple header especially with Ramadan waiting in the wings. TBH I think we should be hoping to 'do an Arnie' every year or two. Recycling lost souls and youngster's for a tidy profit after they put in a shift.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 18, 2017 14:05:25 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. I'll be generous, I'll give it 6 games before your tearing your hair out wondering why the dildo twins spent the best part of £25m and made him your record signing
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 18, 2017 14:05:43 GMT
Oh bayern.....if we could do so without trying, why have we not been able to since the time he handed in a transfer request? No other club than the Spammers have an interest in him and we have had to edge them upwards through three bids! A player is only worth what a buying club will pay for him....... Because we are run by a bunch of imebeciles who don't try. They are half arsed and accept mediocrity because we allow them to. And then slap them on the back for doing just enough. I hate it. For a club run by a bunch of imbeciles, we're not doing too badly are we? I'd expect us to be on a par with a Sunderland, Blackburn or maybe even Coventry if we were run by imbeciles, not a club on the longest unbroken run in the top flight outside of last season's top 7... but hey ho.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 18, 2017 14:05:46 GMT
Until us or wet sham announce a fee fuck all has been agreed so can we calm down for a bit. We all know Coates likes is to conduct business at the club very much privately so until St. Peter is announcing that we have sold the greedy bastard that's it. Ps I think arnies a great player but if he's just going for the money after stating its ambition he's a massive spunk trench
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Post by datguy on Jul 18, 2017 14:06:58 GMT
In fairness Stoke won't have to pay Arnautovic any money due to him giving in a transfer request.
£23m fee seems low but atleast there won't be any extra deductions.
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Post by aascfc88 on Jul 18, 2017 14:10:18 GMT
I for one will be happy see the back of him.
* what talent he has is normally overshadowed by his mood swings ( normally towards the last 3rd of games)
* the negative effect his behaviour can or has had on the team ( not what I personally would want around our young players, really doesn't set a great example)
*he's shown no desire or worth to justify his reported 80k a week contract.
The thing is I see him as replaceable. Plenty of talent around for the position he plays including Ramadan.
We paid 2 million for him and gave him a lifeline and a platform to prove he's not a difficult player to manage, he's not done that.
Getting the report 23+ million for him will be a great bit of business for stoke, a huge profit.
Just my personal opinion on the whole situation 😎
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 18, 2017 14:10:35 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. I'll be generous, I'll give it 6 games before your tearing your hair out wondering why the dildo twins spent the best part of £25m and made him your record signing Six !?! You weren't kidding with generous :-)
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Post by datguy on Jul 18, 2017 14:12:15 GMT
Must say West Ham signing Joe Hart, England's 5th best goalkeeper, on a one-year loan is a strong statement of intent. Ambition or what?
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Post by chad on Jul 18, 2017 14:16:02 GMT
Stoke have no ambition so I'll go to WHU
You can't write comedy like that
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 14:17:25 GMT
He's back in the squad like Fonz was. It's really not hard. Come off it, he'd stink the place out. He's a mardy fucker at the best of times. So was Fonz and people expected the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:17:33 GMT
It's surprising that they see him as a striker (evening standard) as he's broken no records in that department! No, but he played for us in that position away at Arsenal last season and did pretty well.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 18, 2017 14:18:52 GMT
This has the potential to be the Jimmy Greenhoff of this century , better player leaves , funds not reinvested , decline spirals out of control , more players leave etc, over to Mr Scholes to invest and well and quickly , said elsewhere , w e have lost two of our better goal threats and Zouma , Indi , Delph do zero to address that and still represent a net investment in the squad of Zero. Must admit that's a major concern. Walters and Arnie must have a fair chunk of our goals over the last 4 years. And we aren't full of goals at the best of times. 3 Shaq wondergoals a season won't cut the mustard. Ramadan, whatever else he brings, won't bring goals. He looks more mercurial than Arnie in front of goal. That is my concern also. With Arnie and Walters we have lost a lot of goals in the team (Attacking power). We need at least a proven striker to replace the goals these players have produced for us and maybe a goal scoring winger too. Relegation battle waiting for us if we don`t. Right now, I regard Stoke as the next Middlesbrough(Good defence but no attacking power).
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 18, 2017 14:19:13 GMT
23m is just ludicrously cheap.
Taking out all emotion about him being a Stokie and our main man
28 years old - at his peak scores goals and makes assists Improved over time long-term contract Average players are going for 10-20M in this market
I dont mind him leaving as I believe that Ramadam can more than fill his shoes. But when Kyle Walker is sold for 45M, just because Daniel Levy plays hardball and everyone knows it
We are the equivalent of "taking candies from a baby" in negotiations.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 18, 2017 14:19:42 GMT
So who on here would stay working for the same firm if another comes in and offers you more money for doing the same job? It's the way of the world! Would you insult your current employer in the media as lacking ambition, seclude yourself from co-workers and then request to leave all while speaking to the media about your dealings with both firms too dear lord effinghamhunt? For me it isn't the sideways move (for more ambition at WH of all places) it's the cunty behavior emanating from the Arnuatovic family and Marko over the whole haphazard handling of the matter. For me, fuck him to death. Honestly, this happened to me and I didn't move. Offered in the region of 20% more. In the end, because money isn't everything, I am happy I stayed where I am. Main considerations for me were that it has taken a lot of hard work to get to my current level of position and gravitas. I also feel I make a necessary and appreciated difference. My take on it is Arnie will not have the impact he has here eventually and won't be lauded as he is and ultimately would have been more so here. After all they did win the World Cup in 66! I reckon he will move there, come off the rails a little off the pitch and ultimately end up in two seasons at a VERY mediocre club in Holland or Germany earning a fraction of what he did with us. Albeit it was on a far lesser scale, but this reminds me of John Halls.
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Post by furny88 on Jul 18, 2017 14:19:45 GMT
bojan will need to step up this season
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 18, 2017 14:20:12 GMT
Must say West Ham signing Joe Hart, England's 5th best goalkeeper, on a one-year loan is a strong statement of intent. Ambition or what? Not sure I'd go down that road, we signed Derbys 3rd choice keeper (and I like Grant)
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Post by datguy on Jul 18, 2017 14:22:20 GMT
Must say West Ham signing Joe Hart, England's 5th best goalkeeper, on a one-year loan is a strong statement of intent. Ambition or what? Not sure I'd go down that road, we signed Derbys 3rd choice keeper (and I like Grant) Funny you mention Grant. Make that England's 6th best goalkeeper.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:22:44 GMT
Has he gone or just rumours again ? Evening Standard rumour Obviously now breaking news on sky 30 mins later Ah so it a big NO then.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 18, 2017 14:25:36 GMT
And therefore handing a golden invitation to every other shady agent and trumped up twenty something millionaire with a bit of magic in his boots to rip the piss out of us. You've just summed up football players perfectly, what would you do if you were in charge? I'm genuinely curious because this board is split down the middle about it, we either tell West Ham to fuck off and tell Arnie to settle down because he's going nowhere.. which runs the risk of Arnie doing a Berahino at West Brom, it also sends out a message to talented players "sign for Stoke, you'll be imprisoned here until your contract is up, suck it up your little bitch" Or We sell a player that doesn't want to be here anymore who has massively damaged any chance of us getting the best possible deal by letting his agent run his mouth off to the press and handing in a transfer request, it's that simple, we will never get the "right amount" for a player that has handed in a transfer request Some of us think we should keep him and play him, some think we should keep him and not play him and some want him gone, personally i think he's fucked us over massively and we should take the £23m and run, it isn't what he's worth but that doesn't mean it's bad business on our end, it means his actions have fucked us over For me its SO SIMPLE what we should do Tell the WHOLE WORLD our valuation and selling price = 30M Any bidders welcome. If West Ham wont pay then they obviously didnt want Arnie that badly, so Arnie better realise its tough shite. If he REALLY wants the move to happen then his stupid agent brother should be convincing West Ham to pump up the 30M in return for a lower signing on fee. I cant believe Stoke havent done the obvious and stated our player valuation. EVERY other muthafucka does it in the Premier League.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 18, 2017 14:27:54 GMT
Not sure I'd go down that road, we signed Derbys 3rd choice keeper (and I like Grant) Funny you mention Grant. Make that England's 6th best goalkeeper.
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