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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 18, 2017 13:14:58 GMT
So who on here would stay working for the same firm if another comes in and offers you more money for doing the same job? It's the way of the world! Would you insult your current employer in the media as lacking ambition, seclude yourself from co-workers and then request to leave all while speaking to the media about your dealings with both firms too dear lord effinghamhunt? For me it isn't the sideways move (for more ambition at WH of all places) it's the cunty behavior emanating from the Arnuatovic family and Marko over the whole haphazard handling of the matter. For me, fuck him to death.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 13:15:49 GMT
It's a decent deal for us, some people on here always want more and look for any excuse to slag the club off. The last thing we need is him and his brother around the place with their toxic behaviour, take the money and get them gone. And therefore handing a golden invitation to every other shady agent and trumped up twenty something millionaire with a bit of magic in his boots to rip the piss out of us. Exactly. It's more than just the fee. It shows we're there for the taking. It makes us look massively weak.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 13:16:36 GMT
Yes he's insulting publicly the name of OUR club.
We have enough of OUR fans doing that already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:17:39 GMT
All correct Jamo and Jezza but it still completely fails to take any heed of the current inflated market and as we see the silly season start in terms of clubs panic buying, I think we'll see we've actually under valued him considerably. There are extenuating circumstances but I'll bet my balls that there will be players moving for £20M (in later stages of their contract than Arnie) who aren't fit to lace his boots over these coming weeks. Which might well be a situation we end up in if we're not careful. This is another point I was discussing out in Martigny with Pete Smith. I'm of the opinion that although we don't help ourselves at times, the media perception of our club (and therefore our players) has a direct influence on the value folk attach to them. The amount of "football has gone mad now" posts on various social media on the back of Marko being worth over 20m has been eye opening. Given all the crazy fees around, it's bizarre that this deal is the one that many have decided breaks the camel's back. It's bollocks they get €500k
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 18, 2017 13:18:50 GMT
I don't care if we get two mules and a new running track in the deal get his ass gone!
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 18, 2017 13:19:00 GMT
He's not a part of our world though. The guy could retire tomorrow and live a life of luxury until he pops his clogs. An extra few grand a week will make no difference to his day to day whatsoever.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 18, 2017 13:22:16 GMT
Yes he's insulting publicly the name of OUR club. We have enough of OUR fans doing that already. Spot on, the same numbnuts who have nothing good to say about Stoke City, will be the same ones that criticise Arnie
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 18, 2017 13:23:44 GMT
Oh bayern.....if we could do so without trying, why have we not been able to since the time he handed in a transfer request? No other club than the Spammers have an interest in him and we have had to edge them upwards through three bids! A player is only worth what a buying club will pay for him....... Because we are run by a bunch of imebeciles who don't try. They are half arsed and accept mediocrity because we allow them to. And then slap them on the back for doing just enough. I hate it. I am more than happy to give the Chief Bean Counter and ex-Leek reserve keeper a good shoeing for their cock-ups, like the Bruno fiasco. However this time, in the circumstances, we have probably played it about as well as we could. We rejected two bids, but knew we had to get rid of a festering sore of a player this summer, as well as leave enough time to use the money to help us rebuild.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 18, 2017 13:26:42 GMT
I don't know why people are already worrying about what to do when he plays against us. According to a lot on here he will either be shit, too busy sulking or will already have had his 3 good games a season - yet they still reckon we should hold out for £30M??? I agree. His first two seasons with us it took half the season before he got going, since when he has been our best player, but inconsistent. 3 good games a season is a bit cruel, and on his day he is a match winner, but I think WHU must think he is better than he actually is, and there is no way he is worth £30m. I don't think he would be worth that even if he was younger and English/home-grown. I may be old fashioned but I don't want a player who does not want to play for my club, especially when he signed a long term contract just a year ago and made all the speeches about committing himself, etc. He clearly looks back to last summer and thinks he could be at Everton now, 7th in the Prem and pushing hard to get into CL. Like a lot of people he hasn't realised they are selling their best players to buy others. Something Stoke can now engage in with him leaving. I'm not a betting man, but it would not surprise me if he is angling for another transfer in a year's time. Maybe back to Stoke for £12m?
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Post by liamo on Jul 18, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
It's a decent deal for us, some people on here always want more and look for any excuse to slag the club off. The last thing we need is him and his brother around the place with their toxic behaviour, take the money and get them gone. And therefore handing a golden invitation to every other shady agent and trumped up twenty something millionaire with a bit of magic in his boots to rip the piss out of us. You've just summed up football players perfectly, what would you do if you were in charge? I'm genuinely curious because this board is split down the middle about it, we either tell West Ham to fuck off and tell Arnie to settle down because he's going nowhere.. which runs the risk of Arnie doing a Berahino at West Brom, it also sends out a message to talented players "sign for Stoke, you'll be imprisoned here until your contract is up, suck it up your little bitch" Or We sell a player that doesn't want to be here anymore who has massively damaged any chance of us getting the best possible deal by letting his agent run his mouth off to the press and handing in a transfer request, it's that simple, we will never get the "right amount" for a player that has handed in a transfer request Some of us think we should keep him and play him, some think we should keep him and not play him and some want him gone, personally i think he's fucked us over massively and we should take the £23m and run, it isn't what he's worth but that doesn't mean it's bad business on our end, it means his actions have fucked us over
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Post by adi on Jul 18, 2017 13:28:35 GMT
Well I took a 50% drop to go somewhere that I was ethically happier at, but generally speaking if someone values you more then why not take it. So long as we make a decent profit and ideally replace with better then what's the problem. He is a good player but also has his faults as we all do. He's not irreplaceable, life and Stoke City go on. It might end up being good for us. Don't see that now as he's a great player but we have seen good players come and go before and will again. An increased salary, a signing on fee, a club that's small enough for him to be a star that's had the handout of a big stadium from the taxpayer, London, etc, if the overall package is better, you've done good by your former employer in performances and profit, then who wouldn't take it? We should give him a warm welcome when he comes back and thank him for some good memories. Nah a warm welcome is boring, particularly after the way he forced his move. There's a reason why Walters will be treated completely differently on his return. I'm unaware but apparently Jon has chucked a few 'play me or I'm gone' threats at Stoke hasn't he? As long as he doesn't score or assist against us he's always welcome to the bet for me
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 18, 2017 13:28:39 GMT
All correct Jamo and Jezza but it still completely fails to take any heed of the current inflated market and as we see the silly season start in terms of clubs panic buying, I think we'll see we've actually under valued him considerably. There are extenuating circumstances but I'll bet my balls that there will be players moving for £20M (in later stages of their contract than Arnie) who aren't fit to lace his boots over these coming weeks. Which might well be a situation we end up in if we're not careful. This is another point I was discussing out in Martigny with Pete Smith. I'm of the opinion that although we don't help ourselves at times, the media perception of our club (and therefore our players) has a direct influence on the value folk attach to them. The amount of "football has gone mad now" posts on various social media on the back of Marko being worth over 20m has been eye opening. Given all the crazy fees around, it's bizarre that this deal is the one that many have decided breaks the camel's back. Well I honestly don't think he's perceived to be as good as we think he is and last season's stats would suggest so too.... 6 goals (Crouch scored more... as did Robert fucking Snodgrass) 5 assists 60 shots with only 19 on target He was the 6th most offside player in the league He was our most booked player alongside Joe Allen Now I know stats don't tell the whole story... workrate, number of dribbles or great crosses that came to nothing etc.... but I do think there is something in the fact that he is not perceived to be as good by the outside world as we fans may think he is - evidenced by there not being a line of clubs wanting him.. and the only one interested as far as we know, is a sideways move.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 13:31:14 GMT
This is another point I was discussing out in Martigny with Pete Smith. I'm of the opinion that although we don't help ourselves at times, the media perception of our club (and therefore our players) has a direct influence on the value folk attach to them. The amount of "football has gone mad now" posts on various social media on the back of Marko being worth over 20m has been eye opening. Given all the crazy fees around, it's bizarre that this deal is the one that many have decided breaks the camel's back. Well I honestly don't think he's perceived to be as good as we think he is and last season's stats would suggest so too.... 6 goals (Crouch scored more... as did Robert fucking Snodgrass) 5 assists 60 shots with only 19 on target He was the 6th most offside player in the league He was our most booked player alongside Joe Allen Now I know stats don't tell the whole story... workrate, number of dribbles or great crosses that came to nothing etc.... but I do think there is something in the fact that he is not perceived to be as good by the outside world as we fans may think he is - evidenced by there not being a line of clubs wanting him.. and the only one interested as far as we know, is a sideways move. Also add to the fact that all of our players are downplayed by the media (it shouldn't matter but it does). If he was a bit more hyped, he would be gone for more.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 18, 2017 13:34:02 GMT
He is good but his chance conversion rate means he is nowhere near a 30m player and he wont do as well for them as he has here either
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 13:34:42 GMT
This is another point I was discussing out in Martigny with Pete Smith. I'm of the opinion that although we don't help ourselves at times, the media perception of our club (and therefore our players) has a direct influence on the value folk attach to them. The amount of "football has gone mad now" posts on various social media on the back of Marko being worth over 20m has been eye opening. Given all the crazy fees around, it's bizarre that this deal is the one that many have decided breaks the camel's back. It's bollocks they get €500k It's not. Unless you know better than Pete Smith who has been told this by the club. Why would they say it's lower especially during a time we are trying to justify getting more money out of West Ham?
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 18, 2017 13:35:20 GMT
We paid, what, £2.3m for Arnie? I can recall when he first signed, thinking "what the hell have we signed here?". He was like a fish out of water. Over time, he's become an integral part of the side - and I think that the Stoke fans have, generally, cut him some slack, for his inconsistency. I suppose you'd have to ask yourself - if we had paid £23m for him - a club record - would we be satisfied with his overall performances? That's what he's entering into - he is to WHU, what Imbula is to us. He'll need to turn up every week, and deliver. Is he capable? Will the WHU fans be quite as patient? Will they shrug their shoulders and say "Oh, that's Arnie for you..nevermind" - when he fires over the stand from 30 yards with two colleagues better-positioned? He'll deliver glimpses of magic, for sure. Will that be enough? Is he as good as Payet? In my opinion, not at all. If the 'ambition' thing has any ring of truth about it, then he's a complete dick. Best to say nothing - otherwise agitate for a move, which I think is pretty poor on his part. Be honest - and say it's your last big chance at a very lucrative contract. As it stands, I hope you spectacularly fail. I will laugh my tits off. You've generated £23m of funds for my club, and spent properly, we'll be a better team for it. Now - fuck off. Great post but I'm hoping those glimmers of magic don't come against us
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 13:37:08 GMT
Well I honestly don't think he's perceived to be as good as we think he is and last season's stats would suggest so too.... 6 goals (Crouch scored more... as did Robert fucking Snodgrass) 5 assists 60 shots with only 19 on target He was the 6th most offside player in the league He was our most booked player alongside Joe Allen Now I know stats don't tell the whole story... workrate, number of dribbles or great crosses that came to nothing etc.... but I do think there is something in the fact that he is not perceived to be as good by the outside world as we fans may think he is - evidenced by there not being a line of clubs wanting him.. and the only one interested as far as we know, is a sideways move. Also add to the fact that all of our players are downplayed by the media (it shouldn't matter but it does). If he was a bit more hyped, he would be gone for more. This is the point I'm making. We are still very unfashionable and always will be and it's naive to think otherwise. It has to have some bearing on the value associated with our players.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 13:39:37 GMT
Also add to the fact that all of our players are downplayed by the media (it shouldn't matter but it does). If he was a bit more hyped, he would be gone for more. This is the point I'm making. We are still very unfashionable and always will be and it's naive to think otherwise. It has to have some bearing on the value associated with our players. But that's our fault apparently.
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Post by hammered on Jul 18, 2017 13:39:46 GMT
A players value = either the value of their remaining contract/wages or what someone will pay to take them. We had the same with Payet and many others in the past and I've no doubt it'll happen again probably with Lanzini, Antonio etc.. Stoke effectively doubled Arnies value by getting him to sign the extension to his contract last summer but judging by your apparent lack of activity seem to be operating a sell before you buy strategy - in fact no different to WHU who don't have a pot to etc...I'm surprised it got to £23m knowing how tight/cheap we are. Payet back to Marseille is a parallel - once he'd made it clear he didn't want to play for us anymore we took the best deal we could get. There is very little loyalty by players today, particularly the overseas ones - they play for the money not the shirt...and having your better players seduced by peers is simply part of the game. I'm guessing your transfer team are about to/already have, do to someone else exactly what's happening here!! postimg.org/image/vdibdjqg9/
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 18, 2017 13:39:56 GMT
Look at it from West hams side, they've swapped Payet for Arnie and a bit of loose change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:43:16 GMT
What would your 'Plan B' be, if we held out for £27m and WHU wouldn't pay it? He's back in the squad like Fonz was. It's really not hard. Come off it, he'd stink the place out. He's a mardy fucker at the best of times.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 18, 2017 13:43:17 GMT
Look at it from West hams side, they've swapped Payet for Arnie and a bit of loose change. Trouble is Arnie's free kicks rarely ended up in the top corner
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:45:32 GMT
Look at it from West hams side, they've swapped Payet for Arnie and a bit of loose change. Trouble is Arnie's free kicks rarely ended up in the top corner Its a shame he's leaving, he could have pinged some into the 'new' corner 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:48:06 GMT
It's bollocks they get €500k It's not. Unless you know better than Pete Smith who has been told this by the club. Why would they say it's lower especially during a time we are trying to justify getting more money out of West Ham? Bild are saying otherwise
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Post by badger on Jul 18, 2017 13:48:34 GMT
Oh bayern.....if we could do so without trying, why have we not been able to since the time he handed in a transfer request? No other club than the Spammers have an interest in him and we have had to edge them upwards through three bids! A player is only worth what a buying club will pay for him....... Because we are run by a bunch of imebeciles who don't try. They are half arsed and accept mediocrity because we allow them to. And then slap them on the back for doing just enough. I hate it. So the club is run by imbeciles, and 'we' (presuming you mean the fans here) allow them to accept mediocrity. So what should 'we' do to arrest that?
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Post by nott1 on Jul 18, 2017 13:50:09 GMT
It's surprising that they see him as a striker (evening standard) as he's broken no records in that department!
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Post by stokerstayinup on Jul 18, 2017 13:50:11 GMT
Didn't Arnie have a release clause in his contract last season of £12m? Yet there were no takers. Yet people are moaning their bag off if we end up getting £23m. Strange.
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Post by hammercricket on Jul 18, 2017 13:51:00 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased.
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Post by badger on Jul 18, 2017 13:52:43 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Excellent cast, you'll catch a boat load with that.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 13:53:19 GMT
23m seems awfully cheap for your best player. He's the only one who ever looks a threat versus us or anyone for that matter. Think he would have brought the best out of a fully fit berahino too. Was there a release clause? Thought it'd take 35m so if it happens then got to be pleased. Nice bait. You'll hook a few.
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