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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 18, 2017 12:32:30 GMT
No doubt some will moan that we will only make a 20m profit on Arnautovic having had 4 of his peak career years out of him as well. Players are only worth what a buying club will pay and I feel we have probably pushed the Spammers as far as we can go without another club as competition. He cannot stay now so let's get rid and move on. Aren't you on your way to Birkdale yet? Flying tonight.....got my waterproofs at the ready.
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Post by liamo on Jul 18, 2017 12:33:43 GMT
All correct Jamo and Jezza but it still completely fails to take any heed of the current inflated market and as we see the silly season start in terms of clubs panic buying, I think we'll see we've actually under valued him considerably. There are extenuating circumstances but I'll bet my balls that there will be players moving for £20M (in later stages of their contract than Arnie) who aren't fit to lace his boots over these coming weeks. Which might well be a situation we end up in if we're not careful. Assombalonga has just gone for 15m. How any Stoke fan can be that we'll get just 8m more for our best player I do not know. 23m for Arnie to a team who is our peer sends out a terrible message. Keeping him here when he has gone as far as to hand in a transfer request sends an even worse message to potential future signings, we have to find a good balance between being tough and fair Like i've said previously, the transfer request has really damaged any chance of getting the "right" price for him, i'd go as far as to say he's royally fucked us over after reviving his career and paying him well I guess it depends which side of the fence you sit on
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 18, 2017 12:34:51 GMT
For those saying keeping an unhappy Arnie is not in our interests. It's not in his interest to sit on the bench either, as his stock will rapidly fall.
A compromise would be made, he'd stick his dummy temporarily back in and play football.
Selling him for 20m to a direct competitor emphasises his point about our lack of ambition.
We undersell ourselves time and time again 😴
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Post by rich0529 on Jul 18, 2017 12:34:58 GMT
I think arnie leaving is a shame in one way but a blessing in another, Yes he's been a fantastic player at times and scored some fantastic goals for the club, however his attitude is something that will always affect him. His laziness when tackled and doesn't get back up to track back, Mard arse when nobody can pass to him, even to the extent when he first walks on the pitch, every other players heads are held high where as he walks onto the pitch as if hes sulking straight away, this is something as a club we wont miss, lets all try and move on from this saga. Thanks for the good times marko, look foward to destroying you in the upcoming season!!!!
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 18, 2017 12:35:16 GMT
I expect an adebayor like celebration if he scores against us.
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Post by hooftastic on Jul 18, 2017 12:36:16 GMT
My biggest problem with it is that I have to witness the spectacle of Arnie Vs Glen Johnson next season..... twice
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:36:38 GMT
All correct Jamo and Jezza but it still completely fails to take any heed of the current inflated market and as we see the silly season start in terms of clubs panic buying, I think we'll see we've actually under valued him considerably. There are extenuating circumstances but I'll bet my balls that there will be players moving for £20M (in later stages of their contract than Arnie) who aren't fit to lace his boots over these coming weeks. Which might well be a situation we end up in if we're not careful. Assombalonga has just gone for 15m. How any Stoke fan can be that we'll get just 8m more for our best player I do not know. 23m for Arnie to a team who is our peer sends out a terrible message. I'm not sure it does. NO other club have shown an interest in Arnie. There's a reason for that. Plus - we were on the back foot a little after the 'ambition' thing - he had to go after that. I don't give a shit what any other club want to pay for Assombalonga. It's not relevant. What is relevant is that we've got £23m banked for a player that didnt want to play for Stoke any more. If we went and got (eg) Van Der Wiel and Demarai Gray with the money, would you consider that a good bit of business?
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jul 18, 2017 12:37:28 GMT
You tell me then how you make him perform when he doesn't want to be here? Doesn't look like you have had the pleasure of hsndling disgruntled employees. Oh I have! And I bet you were shit at it.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jul 18, 2017 12:37:38 GMT
Hope we give him both barrels on his return. Whether you believe he should receive that reception or not it'd be great to have another atmosphere like that and scare him out of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:38:27 GMT
Has he gone or just rumours again ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:38:40 GMT
Hope we give him both barrels on his return. Whether you believe he should receive that reception or not it'd be great to have another atmosphere like that and scare him out of the game. I'm saving half a Wrights Pie for him.
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Post by lordb on Jul 18, 2017 12:38:52 GMT
My biggest problem with it is that I have to witness the spectacle of Arnie Vs Glen Johnson next season..... twice Bardsley would be better, he will have no hesitation in providing a crowd pleasing 'tackle' early doors can see exactly how Arnie will react to that tbh wouldn't surprise me if Arnie is conveniently injured for Stoke v West Ham
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2017 12:39:05 GMT
My biggest problem with it is that I have to witness the spectacle of Arnie Vs Glen Johnson next season..... twice For those 2 games I'd be tempted to play Zouma at RB. Someone he can't beat in a foot race or out-muscle. Failing that, send Bardsley out to kick him into the stands.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2017 12:40:57 GMT
More importantly who's going to take the #10 shirt?
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 18, 2017 12:41:41 GMT
Usual suspects out in force to cry down the club. Again I say let's see what we do with the money by 1st Sept before using terms like "catastrophic summer".
He could not stay without stirring up more bad feelings, rotting in the stand being considerably devalued - basically like Saido at West Brom.
He and his brother engineered this move which pushed him towards the exit and limited our options. This is not like Siggy at Swansea where he is not publicly begging for a move. Arnie gave in a transfer request, removed himself from the team getting ready for the first friendly by standing alone and then jogged round 45 minutes like he really couldn't be bothered. We clearly would not get any more worthwhile minutes out of him. His head was gone. We had to get the best we could and let his body follow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:41:55 GMT
I think this will maybe be in our thoughts as a club too. Arnie plays best against full-backs he can out-muscle. Hughes knows him inside out. Tell Bardsley he's on a bonus for every cruching challenge.
Give Arnie 10 minutes...
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 18, 2017 12:42:59 GMT
Under the circs
1 club interested Wanted out 28 years old No big club interest
Now I'm not a TS fan but I don't think 23m's that's bad as long as we reinvest it.
I just home we beat them and finish above them next season so he thinks what have I done.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 12:43:16 GMT
More importantly who's going to take the #10 shirt? Saido
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Post by stokiekm on Jul 18, 2017 12:44:01 GMT
Has he gone or just rumours again ? Evening Standard rumour Obviously now breaking news on sky 30 mins later
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 18, 2017 12:45:33 GMT
More importantly who's going to take the #10 shirt? The player we buy to replace him, if we do.
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Post by stokiekm on Jul 18, 2017 12:48:02 GMT
Under the circs 1 club interested Wanted out 28 years old No big club interest Now I'm not a TS fan but I don't think 23m's that's bad as long as we reinvest it. I just home we beat them and finish above them next season so he thinks what have I done. He won't though as an extra 20 or 30k each week will soften the blow 😃
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Post by caine on Jul 18, 2017 12:48:18 GMT
Sky sports breaking ** West Ham close to agreeing deal to sign Arnie
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 12:48:50 GMT
No the far more apt comparison is Bolasie. Similar ability (I'd argue Arrnie is better), under contract and only one club interested yet they seemingly get £8M more than us. Why can't people just admit that we're just not very good at this and questions have to be asked about all involved. The fact that the biggest apologists of everything the club does these days were some of the mouthiest fuckers during a previous regime, I'm sure is merely coincidence! It will also depend on the bidding club. If Everton were interested in Arnie then there's no question in my mind that we'd get a much higher bid coming in than the piss-takes West Ham and faxed over to us. Plus Everton had £50mill burning an hole in their pocket and everyone knew it.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 18, 2017 12:49:15 GMT
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Post by hooftastic on Jul 18, 2017 12:50:27 GMT
My biggest problem with it is that I have to witness the spectacle of Arnie Vs Glen Johnson next season..... twice For those 2 games I'd be tempted to play Zouma at RB. Someone he can't beat in a foot race or out-muscle. Failing that, send Bardsley out to kick him into the stands. I totally agree..... can still see Johnson starting though!
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Post by caine on Jul 18, 2017 12:51:08 GMT
Latest from rob
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Post by pez75 on Jul 18, 2017 12:52:30 GMT
I don't know why people are already worrying about what to do when he plays against us. According to a lot on here he will either be shit, too busy sulking or will already have had his 3 good games a season - yet they still reckon we should hold out for £30M???
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 12:52:49 GMT
Assombalonga has just gone for 15m. How any Stoke fan can be that we'll get just 8m more for our best player I do not know. 23m for Arnie to a team who is our peer sends out a terrible message. I'm not sure it does. NO other club have shown an interest in Arnie. There's a reason for that. Plus - we were on the back foot a little after the 'ambition' thing - he had to go after that. I don't give a shit what any other club want to pay for Assombalonga. It's not relevant. What is relevant is that we've got £23m banked for a player that didnt want to play for Stoke any more. If we went and got (eg) Van Der Wiel and Demarai Gray with the money, would you consider that a good bit of business? It's entirely relevant, it shows where the market, it highlights that if it is 23m, we're underselling. Again people seem happy with this poor business. I just don't get it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 12:54:51 GMT
Usual suspects out in force to cry down the club. Again I say let's see what we do with the money by 1st Sept before using terms like "catastrophic summer". He could not stay without stirring up more bad feelings, rotting in the stand being considerably devalued - basically like Saido at West Brom. He and his brother engineered this move which pushed him towards the exit and limited our options. This is not like Siggy at Swansea where he is not publicly begging for a move. Arnie gave in a transfer request, removed himself from the team getting ready for the first friendly by standing alone and then jogged round 45 minutes like he really couldn't be bothered. We clearly would not get any more worthwhile minutes out of him. His head was gone. We had to get the best we could and let his body follow. Because at 23m we would be selling our best player to a direct rival for below the market value. It's poor from the club.
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Post by greenstokie on Jul 18, 2017 12:58:12 GMT
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