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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 18, 2017 11:41:55 GMT
No doubt some will moan that we will only make a 20m profit on Arnautovic having had 4 of his peak career years out of him as well. Players are only worth what a buying club will pay and I feel we have probably pushed the Spammers as far as we can go without another club as competition. He cannot stay now so let's get rid and move on. The more I have thought about this deal, the better it looks. It can be argued whether the fee is enough but we've probably had Arnie's best years out of him, are going to make £20m profit on him and he will be 29 before the season ends. He's a very good player but given the nature of his game and his age, you can't see him getting better can you? As long as we haven't been daft and have been lining up a replacement BEFORE we get the cash from West Ham, it won't be as bad as it could have been. Of course he'll be missed but given the way his brother has gone about things, I just want him away from the other players.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 18, 2017 11:44:08 GMT
Someone should send him a spider in a box. Who's he gonna call?
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Post by philb on Jul 18, 2017 11:44:59 GMT
Why mention Leicester then our mess is we aren't buying and are selling that makes us unique in the premier league market right now especially as we started from a position of woeful form and few goals and we've sold two of our goal threats without replacing either if we sell arnie , teams that don't score go down and of Right now it's a catastrophic summer and regardless of whether this fee is 20 or 25 we need to spend at least 50 to put it right . Nope. It really doesn't. Keep spinning that anti-Stoke yarn though benji. Can someone please explain this 'catastrophic summer' 🙄
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2017 11:46:22 GMT
Nope. It really doesn't. Keep spinning that anti-Stoke yarn though benji. Can someone please explain this 'catastrophic summer' 🙄 I'm just flabbergasted that he managed to spell it correctly.
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Post by cbwhu on Jul 18, 2017 11:48:05 GMT
Lets sign this Right back Van Der Weil and sell Wet Sham Johnson for £5m as well just to get even more money off the Dildo Twins and Lady Sour Face Brady, their fans were on the radio last night moaning their bag off about the owners not showing any of the real ambition they promised before they moved into that white elephant stadium, really giving it loads about how they were promised a £50m striker and its not going to happen as they won't pay the fee or wages for Hernandez. I can't see them really buzzing about signing Zabaletta on a free and Arnie for £23m, especially when he only bothers to turn up for them 3 in 10 games they will be right on his back. They never made a promose to buy a 50m striker Hernandez and Hart are expected to sign alongside Arnautovic this week Talksport put the people on with the most controversial views to get more callers/listeners, I wouldn't take what they put on to be the true feelings of any set of fans
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Post by Biblical on Jul 18, 2017 11:48:06 GMT
I still think he should be going for closer to £30 million but can't really grumble at £20 million profit on a very temperamental player that has given us some good performances during his time here.
I'm not sure where the ambition stuff came from but I think it's safe to assume that he's going to West Ham for more money and I can't really blame him for it. If he's going to be earning close to £100k we'd be daft to try and match that so if he leaves we've got £20 million in the bank that we could spend on a replacement or just go with Ramadan/Verlinden. It's a blow but not a knockout blow and I think we'll be just fine without him.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 18, 2017 11:51:04 GMT
What an arsehole.
Good riddance.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 18, 2017 11:51:41 GMT
Can't wait to give him some absolute shit next season. I don't mind so much when the player leaving us is making a clear step up like N'Zonzi to Sevilla, Stein to Chelsea, Griffin to Newcastle when they were good etc. But this is a sideways money motivated move to a team who competes in the same part of the league as us. Time to give him hell. Assuming he goes, my guess is the London Stadium will be doing that after a few months, if he doesn't set the place alight, having a record fee on his back. It wouldn't surprise me. Arnautovic is a very inconsistent player who at times can actually be bloody awful. His finishing in particular is atrocious and he cost us quite a few points over the seasons with horrible misses. He was an important player for us without doubt and he'll definitely be missed. And was an absolute bargain for what we paid for him. But would I have been happy with what he delivered for us if we'd paid £23m for him? I think I'd have expected more consistency and better finishing than he's shown for us. I think he'll be under pressure if he turns out exactly the same performances for West Ham as he did for us.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 18, 2017 11:55:27 GMT
Absolute joke of a price accepted,when will this club ever learn😡
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Post by tcks on Jul 18, 2017 12:01:11 GMT
Fuck off!!! You arrogant, mard arse cunt!!! Take that shit stirring cunt of a brother with you. Feel much better now.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 18, 2017 12:03:05 GMT
It seems that Arnie's more full of himself than other teams are of him.....
Other teams have got shut in the past...
We got him for £2M...
He turns up when it suits him (performances)...
Everton were "really" the only club to come in for him last year when he was dithering on a new contract here...
West Ham are again "really" the only club (to date) to show any interest, and they're doing their upmost to get him on the cheap....it'll be interesting to see just how far West Ham will go in the crazy world of football prices??? My guess is, not as far as some others, who are deemed (on here) to be a lesser player than Arnie!!!
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Post by philb on Jul 18, 2017 12:04:34 GMT
Absolute joke of a price accepted,when will this club ever learn😡 Wasn't aware we'd accepted any price yet?
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 18, 2017 12:06:23 GMT
Stoke on Trent or stoke city mean nothing to him , if he's getting more money then good luck to him , he's only doing what any working man would do , I have no problem with him leaving at all , onwards and upwards to seeing the next arnie in a stoke strip
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Post by hooftastic on Jul 18, 2017 12:07:52 GMT
Assuming he goes, my guess is the London Stadium will be doing that after a few months, if he doesn't set the place alight, having a record fee on his back. It wouldn't surprise me. Arnautovic is a very inconsistent player who at times can actually be bloody awful. His finishing in particular is atrocious and he cost us quite a few points over the seasons with horrible misses. He was an important player for us without doubt and he'll definitely be missed. And was an absolute bargain for what we paid for him. But would I have been happy with what he delivered for us if we'd paid £23m for him? I think I'd have expected more consistency and better finishing than he's shown for us. I think he'll be under pressure if he turns out exactly the same performances for West Ham as he did for us. Good point but it's impossible to tell, he may have matured with us or maybe we provided a special atmosphere for him to show his ability. He could well hit the ground running there (they do have some decent players around him) or maybe he'll be distracted by the pretty lights and be hitting the casinos with Wilshere in no time. Being honest though, despite the fact that he's played the best football in his career with us, he doesn't come across as reformed so who knows, maybe we'll re-sign him for £1.8m in 12 months time. The one thing he has here is the universal backing of the manager, coaches team mates and (mostly) supporters.... will he get that at WHU? I doubt it. He's a special case that's needed special treatment and I'm not sure they're aware of what they're signing.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 18, 2017 12:11:00 GMT
What a slut of a club we are, we'll just bend over and take it from anyone.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 18, 2017 12:12:27 GMT
Absolute joke of a price accepted,when will this club ever learn😡 Wasn't aware we'd accepted any price yet? From reports today and I've just heard that cunt Jim White say it's that figure on Talksport also.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:12:33 GMT
We paid, what, £2.3m for Arnie? I can recall when he first signed, thinking "what the hell have we signed here?". He was like a fish out of water.
Over time, he's become an integral part of the side - and I think that the Stoke fans have, generally, cut him some slack, for his inconsistency.
I suppose you'd have to ask yourself - if we had paid £23m for him - a club record - would we be satisfied with his overall performances?
That's what he's entering into - he is to WHU, what Imbula is to us. He'll need to turn up every week, and deliver.
Is he capable? Will the WHU fans be quite as patient? Will they shrug their shoulders and say "Oh, that's Arnie for you..nevermind" - when he fires over the stand from 30 yards with two colleagues better-positioned?
He'll deliver glimpses of magic, for sure. Will that be enough? Is he as good as Payet? In my opinion, not at all.
If the 'ambition' thing has any ring of truth about it, then he's a complete dick. Best to say nothing - otherwise agitate for a move, which I think is pretty poor on his part. Be honest - and say it's your last big chance at a very lucrative contract.
As it stands, I hope you spectacularly fail. I will laugh my tits off. You've generated £23m of funds for my club, and spent properly, we'll be a better team for it.
Now - fuck off.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 18, 2017 12:12:44 GMT
You're right, he didn't mention those words, but roughly translated ... "I want to play for a club higher up the league (not a two-bit team like Stoke) and someone who is challenging for trophies (not like Stoke who have no ambition to win a trophy).. Last I looked the FA Cup was still a trophy, and he was in the team that won a runners-up medal. I could understand it if our only ambition was to win the Urine Cup Yeah that's called having ambition and that's what all players should aspire to. And I have no problem with that. Bego thought he could go to Chelsea and play and win things. That's admirable. Going to West Ham isn't. Bayern, I think we'd do a lot better by focusing on the many things we agree with each other. In this instance, rather than arguing about the exact words a player used, I think we agree that in recent memory, it hasn't worked out that well for Stoke players who leave the club looking for a bigger stage. One possible exception is N'zonzi.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2017 12:14:18 GMT
No doubt some will moan that we will only make a 20m profit on Arnautovic having had 4 of his peak career years out of him as well. Players are only worth what a buying club will pay and I feel we have probably pushed the Spammers as far as we can go without another club as competition. He cannot stay now so let's get rid and move on. The more I have thought about this deal, the better it looks. It can be argued whether the fee is enough but we've probably had Arnie's best years out of him, are going to make £20m profit on him and he will be 29 before the season ends. He's a very good player but given the nature of his game and his age, you can't see him getting better can you? As long as we haven't been daft and have been lining up a replacement BEFORE we get the cash from West Ham, it won't be as bad as it could have been. Of course he'll be missed but given the way his brother has gone about things, I just want him away from the other players. All correct Jamo and Jezza but it still completely fails to take any heed of the current inflated market and as we see the silly season start in terms of clubs panic buying, I think we'll see we've actually under valued him considerably. There are extenuating circumstances but I'll bet my balls that there will be players moving for £20M (in later stages of their contract than Arnie) who aren't fit to lace his boots over these coming weeks. Which might well be a situation we end up in if we're not careful.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 18, 2017 12:15:29 GMT
This has the potential to be the Jimmy Greenhoff of this century , better player leaves , funds not reinvested , decline spirals out of control , more players leave etc, over to Mr Scholes to invest and well and quickly , said elsewhere , we have lost two of our better goal threats and Zouma , Indi , Delph do zero to address that and still represent a net investment in the squad of Zero.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:19:53 GMT
This has the potential to be the Jimmy Greenhoff of this century , better player leaves , funds not reinvested , decline spirals  out of control , more players leave etc, over to Mr Scholes to invest and well and quickly , said elsewhere , we have lost two of our better goal threats and Zouma , Indi , Delph do zero to address that and still represent a net investment in the squad of Zero. Go and 'support' some fucker else then. Your posts are soul-destroying.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 18, 2017 12:20:23 GMT
This has the potential to be the Jimmy Greenhoff of this century , better player leaves , funds not reinvested , decline spirals out of control , more players leave etc, over to Mr Scholes to invest and well and quickly , said elsewhere , w e have lost two of our better goal threats and Zouma , Indi , Delph do zero to address that and still represent a net investment in the squad of Zero. Must admit that's a major concern. Walters and Arnie must have a fair chunk of our goals over the last 4 years. And we aren't full of goals at the best of times. 3 Shaq wondergoals a season won't cut the mustard. Ramadan, whatever else he brings, won't bring goals. He looks more mercurial than Arnie in front of goal.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 18, 2017 12:21:04 GMT
Whilst agreeing with some quotes on here that Stoke's hands have been forced by Arnies transfer request and very public agent talk I do still feel that Stoke should have been more forceful & pro-active during the early stages of this saga. Arnie and WHU have effectively dictated things from the start and this cannot be the norm for us to occur again in the future. Our club need to be more resilient & in effect take charge of these situations as soon as rumblings are starting to occur. I fully understand the arguments when people say we should be expecting more of a fee for Arnie and also those who say Stoke have no choice to accept the rumoured £23mil & then move on.
Other clubs ie Swansea & Southampton have learnt that you have to be far more vocal in the early stages to either ward off potential suitors trying to nab a bargain, or to guide the enquiring club towards a transfer fee the selling club would reluctantly be happy with. It's simply putting a kind of insurance price on your main assets head and in the process shows both players and clubs that the selling team won't be push overs.
Regarding this Arnie situation I believe at the point West Ham made their first pathetic bid of £15mil & the Arnoutovics started to go public, Stoke should have put out a blanket: Bid rejected, Still heavily under contract, Not for sale and has a value of 30mil message out to press. A simple call by a club official to Rob Dorsett could pass that message out there for all to see. At this point WHU and any other interested parties know what the asking price would be if they persist and still want to get their man.
I feel Stoke let things go on too long and we've essentially been caught with our pants down and been bullied into a situation to please all parties.
It is definitely time for Arnie to go, he's made a knob of himself as far as his adoring Stoke fans are concerned but will he care, not a bit. & I'll also predict that he'll turn the abuse he gets on a return visit to his own advantage to by saying Stoke fans are ungrateful for what he did for us for 4 seasons, you just know it, it's how they work!
Whilst WHU may soon be boasting they've got their man and for a club record fee, on reflection now the initial 'Arnies' going feeling quickly subsided I do think that the time for him departing is probably right and ultimately we'll be a better team without him. It may also not be a coincidence that for a player we thought so much of and who WHU desperately wanted, no else one did!
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 18, 2017 12:22:47 GMT
This has the potential to be the Jimmy Greenhoff of this century , better player leaves , funds not reinvested , decline spirals  out of control , more players leave etc, over to Mr Scholes to invest and well and quickly , said elsewhere , we have lost two of our better goal threats and Zouma , Indi , Delph do zero to address that and still represent a net investment in the squad of Zero. What does net investment have to do with anything? If we can get a good player on the cheap is that a bad thing?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 18, 2017 12:22:49 GMT
This has the potential to be the Jimmy Greenhoff of this century , better player leaves , funds not reinvested , decline spirals out of control , more players leave etc, over to Mr Scholes to invest and well and quickly , said elsewhere , we have lost two of our better goal threats and Zouma , Indi , Delph do zero to address that and still represent a net investment in the squad of Zero. It is nothing like the Greenhoff situation though. Jimmy did not want to go. Our infrastructure was ravaged and the club was in massive debt (which we couldn't get away with in those days). Arnie wants to go. We are not in debt and have just improved our infrastructure. Walters went because he wants to play most/all of the time. Granted we still need players but you can not compare it to those dark financial days. Zouma even on a loan is a very good start, assuming he signs. He did choose us over other clubs Benj - so all is not lost just yet
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:24:04 GMT
Most annoying of all -yet again we,re selling an asset below CURRENT MARKET VALUE
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:24:14 GMT
Most annoying of all -yet again we,re selling an asset below CURRENT MARKET VALUE
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2017 12:27:18 GMT
The more I have thought about this deal, the better it looks. It can be argued whether the fee is enough but we've probably had Arnie's best years out of him, are going to make £20m profit on him and he will be 29 before the season ends. He's a very good player but given the nature of his game and his age, you can't see him getting better can you? As long as we haven't been daft and have been lining up a replacement BEFORE we get the cash from West Ham, it won't be as bad as it could have been. Of course he'll be missed but given the way his brother has gone about things, I just want him away from the other players. All correct Jamo and Jezza but it still completely fails to take any heed of the current inflated market and as we see the silly season start in terms of clubs panic buying, I think we'll see we've actually under valued him considerably. There are extenuating circumstances but I'll bet my balls that there will be players moving for £20M (in later stages of their contract than Arnie) who aren't fit to lace his boots over these coming weeks. Which might well be a situation we end up in if we're not careful. Assombalonga has just gone for 15m. How any Stoke fan can be that we'll get just 8m more for our best player I do not know. 23m for Arnie to a team who is our peer sends out a terrible message.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:30:12 GMT
Most annoying of all -yet again we,re selling an asset below CURRENT MARKET VALUE Are you sure that you're 'factoring in' being left with a player that can't pull a shirt on for us again, if we push WHU too hard, imo Arnie's strategy here has cost us ££s. If we'd said £30m or no sale - and they walked away - what are we left with??
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jul 18, 2017 12:32:11 GMT
Lets sign this Right back Van Der Weil and sell Wet Sham Johnson for £5m as well just to get even more money off the Dildo Twins and Lady Sour Face Brady, their fans were on the radio last night moaning their bag off about the owners not showing any of the real ambition they promised before they moved into that white elephant stadium, really giving it loads about how they were promised a £50m striker and its not going to happen as they won't pay the fee or wages for Hernandez. I can't see them really buzzing about signing Zabaletta on a free and Arnie for £23m, especially when he only bothers to turn up for them 3 in 10 games they will be right on his back. They never made a promose to buy a 50m striker Hernandez and Hart are expected to sign alongside Arnautovic this week Talksport put the people on with the most controversial views to get more callers/listeners, I wouldn't take what they put on to be the true feelings of any set of fans To be they said some fans would be happy I reckon a lot won't be unles they finish about 6-7th though I'd just love to finish above them to be honest 😆
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