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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 22:55:18 GMT
He plays 25 -30 games for stoke city next year players have asked for transfers in the past and stayed at many clubs bigger quextion is we bank whatever fee , Ramadan isn't up to it and we get offered 15m for shaq as a soft touch and £20m for Butland who has already said Man Utd come knocking and he'd have to be interested. what then ? this sets the principal going forward stoke can be parted from their best players on the cheap or they cant nzonzi and this suggest the former . You think he just turns up for training on Monday like nothing happened, really? Butland is a completely different kettle of fish, if he has a good season there will be a bidding war for him. If another couple of clubs come in for Arnautovic the rules change and we push the fee up, whilst there is only one team interested it ain't happening. Yours and Bayern's negotiating style are all well and good in theory but they're not reality..... Well time will tell I'm still, of the view anything less than 30 is cheap , whatever the fee that and the original budget need reinvesting in the first team circa £50m ,and this deal is an invitation to others to nibble at our prize assets sensing lack of ambition. Change in policy , and a bit like Demi Moore we've agreed the principal it's now just the price .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:57:48 GMT
You think he just turns up for training on Monday like nothing happened, really? Butland is a completely different kettle of fish, if he has a good season there will be a bidding war for him. If another couple of clubs come in for Arnautovic the rules change and we push the fee up, whilst there is only one team interested it ain't happening. Yours and Bayern's negotiating style are all well and good in theory but they're not reality..... Well time will tell I'm still, of the view anything less than 30 is cheap , whatever the fee that and the original budget need reinvesting in the first team circa £50m ,and this deal is an invitation to others to nibble at our prize assets sensing lack of ambition.  Change in policy , and a bit like Demi Moore we've agreed the principal it's now just the price . It might be your view. But unless something changes it's not the view of the market.....
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 23:02:24 GMT
Well time will tell I'm still, of the view anything less than 30 is cheap , whatever the fee that and the original budget need reinvesting in the first team circa £50m ,and this deal is an invitation to others to nibble at our prize assets sensing lack of ambition. Change in policy , and a bit like Demi Moore we've agreed the principal it's now just the price . It might be your view. But unless something changes it's not the view of the market..... , we are being bullied , without a replacement ,and as I said the most important thing regardless of the fee is its reinvested incrementally to the original budget as no one can tell us the plan was to sell Arnie last May .
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Post by liamo on Jul 17, 2017 23:11:41 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference?
Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either
Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 23:19:28 GMT
You think he just turns up for training on Monday like nothing happened, really? Butland is a completely different kettle of fish, if he has a good season there will be a bidding war for him. If another couple of clubs come in for Arnautovic the rules change and we push the fee up, whilst there is only one team interested it ain't happening. Yours and Bayern's negotiating style are all well and good in theory but they're not reality..... Well time will tell I'm still, of the view anything less than 30 is cheap , whatever the fee that and the original budget need reinvesting in the first team circa £50m ,and this deal is an invitation to others to nibble at our prize assets sensing lack of ambition. Change in policy , and a bit like Demi Moore we've agreed the principal it's now just the price . We don't know what the figure is, but if we assume it's around the £23m mark, and you think it's "an invitation to nibble at our prize assets sensing a lack of ambition," where exactly are these other clubs who want a nibble. And why were they not interested in having a nibble last year when they could have had him for £12m? It's exactly the same as the N'Zonzi business. In your mind you've magicked up a bunch of teams rubbing their hands at our generosity at giving him away for £8m, when in truth, aside from relegation prospects Leicester (and don't re-write history, that's all they were at the time), there was only one club remotely interested. Push them, and we'd have lost £8m. He really wasn't as attractive a prospect as the hindsighters would have us believing. And no one would have slagged the club off more than you for a lack of foresight at losing him on a free a year later. Don't deny it. It's all you live for on here.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 17, 2017 23:24:46 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could Nail ... Head.
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Post by moz on Jul 18, 2017 6:46:38 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could Exactly, You can't sell by the price you want when it's known that your player wants to leave and thinks that this price tag is satisfactory.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 18, 2017 6:52:38 GMT
I am on holiday, doing fun stuff (and not reading the Oatcake, which is not fun). What happened? Is he staying or leaving?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2017 6:54:55 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could It's amazing how many people can't understand this.
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Post by RAF on Jul 18, 2017 7:12:37 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could It's amazing how many people can't understand this. It's not amazing to me. Thick as shit some on here. H
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2017 7:39:56 GMT
Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next? He plays 25 -30 games for stoke city next year players have asked for transfers in the past  and stayed at many clubs bigger quextion  is we bank whatever fee , Ramadan isn't up to it and we get offered 15m for shaq as a soft touch   and £20m for Butland  who has already  said Man Utd come  knocking and he'd have to be interested.  what then ? this sets the principal going forward stoke can be parted from their best players on the cheap or they cant nzonzi and this suggest the former . That's just noise.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2017 7:40:14 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could No the far more apt comparison is Bolasie. Similar ability (I'd argue Arrnie is better), under contract and only one club interested yet they seemingly get £8M more than us. Why can't people just admit that we're just not very good at this and questions have to be asked about all involved. The fact that the biggest apologists of everything the club does these days were some of the mouthiest fuckers during a previous regime, I'm sure is merely coincidence!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 18, 2017 7:43:48 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could No the far more apt comparison is Bolasie. Similar ability (I'd argue Arrnie is better), under contract and only one club interested yet they seemingly get £8M more than us. Why can't people just admit that we're just not very good at this and questions have to be asked about all involved. The fact that the biggest apologists of everything the club does these days were some of the mouthiest fuckers during a previous regime, I'm sure is merely coincidence! Whereas you are mouthy regardless of the regime
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2017 7:44:00 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could No the far more apt comparison is Bolasie. Similar ability (I'd argue Arrnie is better), under contract and only one club interested yet they seemingly get £8M more than us. Why can't people just admit that we're just not very good at this and questions have to be asked about all involved. The fact that the biggest apologists of everything the club does these days were some of the mouthiest fuckers during a previous regime, I'm sure is merely coincidence! It will also depend on the bidding club. If Everton were interested in Arnie then there's no question in my mind that we'd get a much higher bid coming in than the piss-takes West Ham and faxed over to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 7:44:14 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could No the far more apt comparison is Bolasie. Similar ability (I'd argue Arrnie is better), under contract and only one club interested yet they seemingly get £8M more than us. Why can't people just admit that we're just not very good at this and questions have to be asked about all involved. The fact that the biggest apologists of everything the club does these days were some of the mouthiest fuckers during a previous regime, I'm sure is merely coincidence! Bolasie is the perfect example, and he was moved on under the last TV deal. There is now a mental amount of money being sloshed around on average shit. We can't judge completely until the deal is done but a player that outputs more than players like Bolasie, coming into his prime has got to go for a premium regardless of the circumstances. He could slot straight into their team and give them 10 goals and the same in assists in the right system with his eyes closed. You have to pay for that in this market.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2017 7:46:26 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?!
I just give up.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 18, 2017 7:54:07 GMT
No the far more apt comparison is Bolasie. Similar ability (I'd argue Arrnie is better), under contract and only one club interested yet they seemingly get £8M more than us. Why can't people just admit that we're just not very good at this and questions have to be asked about all involved. The fact that the biggest apologists of everything the club does these days were some of the mouthiest fuckers during a previous regime, I'm sure is merely coincidence! Bolasie is the perfect example, and he was moved on under the last TV deal. There is now a mental amount of money being sloshed around on average shit. We can't judge completely until the deal is done but a player that outputs more than players like Bolasie, coming into his prime has got to go for a premium regardless of the circumstances. He could slot straight into their team and give them 10 goals and the same in assists in the right system with his eyes closed. You have to pay for that in this market. Also Moussa Sissoko for £30 mill. to Tottenham is crazy. I would never swop Arnie with these players. He is worth more.
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2017 8:02:49 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?! I just give up. The people who are satisfied with £22M for Arnie are the same people who've had a problem with him since he's walked through the door. They don't like him and they don't rate him, that's their look out. We can't force West Ham (or anyone else for that matter) to bid £30M for Arnie though can we? How does that make us "not very good at this sort of thing"? I wouldn't be happy with £22M and I think Stoke should reject it. But then we're left with a potential problem of a dissatisfied player and his snake of a brother and that's something the club have to consider when decided to accept or reject West Ham's next bid (if they make one of course).
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Post by RAF on Jul 18, 2017 8:06:36 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?! I just give up. He's worth what someone is prepared to pay for him. 15 mill is a good deal for Forest. Middlesbrough on the other hand have a player who is 24 and scored 15 goals last season. H
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 18, 2017 8:09:12 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?! I just give up. The people who are satisfied with £22M for Arnie are the same people who've had a problem with him since he's walked through the door. They don't like him and they don't rate him, that's their look out. We can't force West Ham (or anyone else for that matter) to bid £30M for Arnie though can we? How does that make us "not very good at this sort of thing"? I wouldn't be happy with £22M and I think Stoke should reject it. But then we're left with a potential problem of a dissatisfied player and his snake of a brother and that's something the club have to consider when decided to accept or reject West Ham's next bid (if they make one of course). The thing is if WHU decide not to pursue Arno the word is out he is open to certain possibilities. It would be a big surprise if nobody else showed interest after this. From our perspective it means we are more likely to get a realistic fee for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 8:11:29 GMT
Bolasie is the perfect example, and he was moved on under the last TV deal. There is now a mental amount of money being sloshed around on average shit. We can't judge completely until the deal is done but a player that outputs more than players like Bolasie, coming into his prime has got to go for a premium regardless of the circumstances. He could slot straight into their team and give them 10 goals and the same in assists in the right system with his eyes closed. You have to pay for that in this market. Also Moussa Sissoko for £30 mill. to Tottenham is crazy. I would never swop Arnie with these players. He is worth more. The one surprise about that deal is Levy having his pants pulled down for a change!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 8:16:48 GMT
The people who are satisfied with £22M for Arnie are the same people who've had a problem with him since he's walked through the door. They don't like him and they don't rate him, that's their look out. We can't force West Ham (or anyone else for that matter) to bid £30M for Arnie though can we? How does that make us "not very good at this sort of thing"? I wouldn't be happy with £22M and I think Stoke should reject it. But then we're left with a potential problem of a dissatisfied player and his snake of a brother and that's something the club have to consider when decided to accept or reject West Ham's next bid (if they make one of course). The thing is if WHU decide not to pursue Arno the word is out he is open to certain possibilities. It would be a big surprise if nobody else showed interest after this. From our perspective it means we are more likely to get a realistic fee for him. I'm all for us playing hard ball with West Ham and seeing if anyone else joins the party. And we can potentially let things run until the end of August deadline, but us Stokies are an unforgiving lot so we may end up with a serious problem on our hands come September 1st if he's still with us. That's the bit that the likes of benji and Bayern need to understand when they're giving us all a crash course on how to negotiate a deal. It's a tough call for the hierarchy no matter which way you look at it.....
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Post by bhp on Jul 18, 2017 8:19:29 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?! I just give up. Because they had interest from other clubs also.
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Post by bhp on Jul 18, 2017 8:20:21 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?! I just give up. He's worth what someone is prepared to pay for him. 15 mill is a good deal for Forest. Middlesbrough on the other hand have a player who is 24 and scored 15 goals last season. H *In a nearly relegated team..*
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Post by dadofsam on Jul 18, 2017 8:33:48 GMT
I can see West Ham leaving team Arnie in the shit when another shiny bauble catches their eye. Are bridges burned?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2017 8:40:21 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?! I just give up. The people who are satisfied with £22M for Arnie are the same people who've had a problem with him since he's walked through the door. They don't like him and they don't rate him, that's their look out. We can't force West Ham (or anyone else for that matter) to bid £30M for Arnie though can we? How does that make us "not very good at this sort of thing"? I wouldn't be happy with £22M and I think Stoke should reject it. But then we're left with a potential problem of a dissatisfied player and his snake of a brother and that's something the club have to consider when decided to accept or reject West Ham's next bid (if they make one of course). I can understand what you're saying dave but doesn't that set a hugely dangerous precedent for us? You hope players and agents have more integrity than the Arnautovic's but the message is clear kick off a bit, play a toxic card and Stoke are happy to let go under the market value and make it easy for you.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 18, 2017 8:41:27 GMT
I can see West Ham leaving team Arnie in the shit when another shiny bauble catches their eye. Are bridges burned? They can't even afford Joe Hart's wages with citeh paying the majority. Ambition?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2017 9:29:20 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could This is exactly right. In any world where Bolasie has gone for £30 million, Arnie is worth at least that amount. His current assist and goal stats are way better than Bolasie's were when he moved, Arnie is our best player with three years's left on his contact. There was only one club in for Bolasie when he was sold. The major difference now is that Arnie and his brother have royally fucked Stoke City over big time. If they'd kept their mouths shut, Stoke could just turn round to West Ham and say "sorry chaps, we hold all the aces, don't waste our time with any further bids unless they are north of £30 million (or whatever figure)." Unfortunately now due to the actions of Dumb and Dumber they've got one arm tied behind their backs in the negotiating room as they try to work out just how much they actually can eek out of West Ham without ending up without a sale and a totally toxic player on the books. Stoke know it, West Ham know that Stoke know it and the Arnautovic brothers know it too - the utter scumbags.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 18, 2017 9:34:03 GMT
I've only just seen the price Forest have just got for Assombafuckinglonga and people are satisfied with this reported price for Arnie?!?! I just give up. The people who are satisfied with £22M for Arnie are the same people who've had a problem with him since he's walked through the door. They don't like him and they don't rate him, that's their look out. We can't force West Ham (or anyone else for that matter) to bid £30M for Arnie though can we? How does that make us "not very good at this sort of thing"? I wouldn't be happy with £22M and I think Stoke should reject it. But then we're left with a potential problem of a dissatisfied player and his snake of a brother and that's something the club have to consider when decided to accept or reject West Ham's next bid (if they make one of course). I rate him and think 25mil is a fair enough price if thats what we manage in the end, Arne and his brother have fucked us over going so public with it, Im sure nothing has changed for us in that we want x amount of money and if they meet then then its all go, but coming out and saying I want to leave etc etc has put pressure on the club and it makes West Ham think they can take the piss, it also doesn't help that no one else seems to want him.
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Post by skelman on Jul 18, 2017 9:37:52 GMT
Using siggurdson as an example £50m is ridiculous but he's their best player and they obviously don't want to lose him.. the difference? Siggurdson has kept his fucking mouth shut and is doing right by Swansea, they're in a strong position to fleece Everton for as much as they can get, he obviously won't turn Everton down but his leech agent brother isn't trying to dictate to Swansea what is a fair price and saying shit to papers either Arnie and his brother have fucked this transfer up for Stoke far more than Scholes and team ever could This is exactly right. In any world where Bolasie has gone for £30 million, Arnie is worth at least that amount. His current assist and goal stats are way better than Bolasie's were when he moved, Arnie is our best player with three years's left on his contact. There was only one club in for Bolasie when he was sold. The major difference now is that Arnie and his brother have royally fucked Stoke City over big time. If they'd kept their mouths shut, Stoke could just turn round to West Ham and say "sorry chaps, we hold all the aces, don't waste our time with any further bids unless they are north of £30 million (or whatever figure)." Unfortunately now due to the actions of Dumb and Dumber they've got one arm tied behind their backs in the negotiating room as they try to work out just how much they actually can eek out of West Ham without ending up without a sale and a totally toxic player on the books. Stoke know it, West Ham know that Stoke know it and the Arnautovic brothers know it too - the utter scumbags. Never heard you quite so vehement in your comments before Paul, however I totally agree - complete and utter scumbags.
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