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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:37:27 GMT
We are not trying to beat the market, we are trying to build a self sufficient football club that is capable of being 10th in the division, as the owners do not plan to underwrite huge transfer spend on an ongoing basis. That means having a youth policy that provides players and then transfer revenues. 10 years in the top division means we should start to see the green shoots now as we have had long enough to build capability and attract young players in. Consistent with this, Hughes has said we will move the business model to one with 20 or so senior players and 4 or 5 youngsters. This also means cashflow is important and hence we will haggle over payment terms, take loans , gamble on the likes of Fletcher, Bojan and Wolly all for different circumstances and often walk away. You keep judging management against a strategy that doesn't exist in the club. It is undoubtedly a gamble but sensible to do in a managed way rather than overreacting and ending up like Blackburn or Coventry What your describing may well be true , it will also see us playing Blackburn and god forbid Coventry in the near future , our youth policy has the track record to match the list of Fegg Heyes contestants in the Eurovision Song Contest and suddenly its producing 4/5 premiership youngsters after 1 in 25 years we are making a dramatic turn if your right , in direct contradiction to the others other then perhaps Southampton who can boast a pretty impressive long term track record with their academy' and still feel the need to outflank us in Soares and Redmond and gabbiadini to survive and prosper , our youth plus frees and loans will see us with a short term revenue of 100m plus a healthy balance sheet and back where we started . Even for you, that is a massive pile of horse shit.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 17, 2017 21:38:57 GMT
£32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. This constant comparing to other deals is just pointless. No two deals are the same, based on player age, contract length, past ability, perceived potential, nationality, future resale value, how many clubs are interested and countless other factors. Just because a keeper went for £30m (he actually didn't, it was £25m + add-ons) doesn't mean Arnie is worth the same or more. For a start it's very possible that Pickford could be sold on for more in the future... I doubt the same can be said of Arnie. For all we know, Pickford was the subject of a bidding war thus inflating his price. It appears that only WHU want Arnie. Now I'm not saying £22.5m, or £30m, or £45m is the correct price for him - it's whatever we can squeeze out of a very poor situation where the player holds the majority of the cards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:43:50 GMT
We are not trying to beat the market, we are trying to build a self sufficient football club that is capable of being 10th in the division, as the owners do not plan to underwrite huge transfer spend on an ongoing basis. That means having a youth policy that provides players and then transfer revenues. 10 years in the top division means we should start to see the green shoots now as we have had long enough to build capability and attract young players in. Consistent with this, Hughes has said we will move the business model to one with 20 or so senior players and 4 or 5 youngsters. This also means cashflow is important and hence we will haggle over payment terms, take loans , gamble on the likes of Fletcher, Bojan and Wolly all for different circumstances and often walk away. You keep judging management against a strategy that doesn't exist in the club. It is undoubtedly a gamble but sensible to do in a managed way rather than overreacting and ending up like Blackburn or Coventry What your describing may well be true , it will also see us playing Blackburn and god forbid Coventry in the near future , our youth policy has the track record to match the list of Fegg Heyes contestants in the Eurovision Song Contest and suddenly its producing 4/5 premiership youngsters after 1 in 25 years we are making a dramatic turn if your right , in direct contradiction to the others other then perhaps Southampton who can boast a pretty impressive long term track record with their academy' and still feel the need to outflank us in Soares and Redmond and gabbiadini to survive and prosper , our youth plus frees and loans will see us with a short term revenue of 100m plus a healthy balance sheet and back where we started . All that effort and they finished 2 measly pts above us. It's almost like they shouldn't have bothered....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 17, 2017 21:46:28 GMT
If it is the £22.5M mentioned yesterday then it would seem pretty lame considering the market and his recently signed deal. As for Arnie and his nobhead brother tucking us up, that is of course true but accepting that price just acts as an invitation for very other chancer to angle themselves a sideways move as they know we're likely to cave in.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2017 21:49:13 GMT
If it is the £22.5M mentioned yesterday then it would seem pretty lame considering the market and his recently signed deal. As for Arnie and his nobhead brother tucking us up, that is of course true but accepting that price just acts as an invitation for very other chancer to angle themselves a sideways move as they know we're likely to cave in. Totally agree about the price momo,it should be a minimum of £25 million up front at today's prices rising to £30 million with future add ons
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Post by liamo on Jul 17, 2017 21:57:43 GMT
If it is the £22.5M mentioned yesterday then it would seem pretty lame considering the market and his recently signed deal. As for Arnie and his nobhead brother tucking us up, that is of course true but accepting that price just acts as an invitation for very other chancer to angle themselves a sideways move as they know we're likely to cave in. Totally agree about the price momo,it should be a minimum of £25 million up front at today's prices rising to £30 million with future add ons It is low, but let's face it, Arnie and his stupid "come on it's a fair price" brother have really fucked up any chance of a higher fee with their very "accidental public" transfer request It's pretty shitty of them to be honest, they've potentially lost us £5-10m by trying to dictate to us what a fair price is for him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:14:54 GMT
Price will always be settled by ability and the market. Arnie is a £20m player.
Is it just me that can't see a queue of clubs eager to sign him up?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2017 22:18:26 GMT
Price will always be settled by ability and the market. Arnie is a £20m player. Brit Assombolonga just went for 15m. Stoke fans need to get real. 20m my arse.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 17, 2017 22:18:57 GMT
£22.5 - £25mil and I think we have a deal to be honest. Tired of the snake bastards name being mentioned on my feeds. Get' em gone and prep Sobhi.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:20:36 GMT
£22.5 - £25mil and I think we have a deal to be honest. Tired of the snake bastards name being mentioned on my feeds. Get' em gone and prep Sobhi. At that price you will probably be seeing the "snake bastards" name being mentioned all season as part of the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:21:31 GMT
Price will always be settled by ability and the market. Arnie is a £20m player. Brit Assombolonga just went for 15m. Stoke fans need to get real. 20m my arse. Like houses, players are worth what someone is prepared to pay. Maybe it's you who needs to get real....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2017 22:22:56 GMT
Brit Assombolonga just went for 15m. Stoke fans need to get real. 20m my arse. Like houses, players are worth what someone is prepared to pay. Maybe it's you who needs to get real.... Nope it's definitely the small minded fans who are happy with getting pittance for our best players.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 17, 2017 22:25:34 GMT
£22.5 - £25mil and I think we have a deal to be honest. Tired of the snake bastards name being mentioned on my feeds. Get' em gone and prep Sobhi. At that price you will probably be seeing the "snake bastards" name being mentioned all season as part of the squad. With everything under the sun being inflated this summer I wouldn't expect under £22 to be accepted by the pizza 🍕 team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:27:04 GMT
At that price you will probably be seeing the "snake bastards" name being mentioned all season as part of the squad. With everything under the sun being inflated this summer I wouldn't expect under £22 to be accepted by the pizza 🍕 team. We will just have to wait and see what the highest bidder is prepared to pay then, won't we?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 22:28:25 GMT
What your describing may well be true , it will also see us playing Blackburn and god forbid Coventry in the near future , our youth policy has the track record to match the list of Fegg Heyes contestants in the Eurovision Song Contest and suddenly its producing 4/5 premiership youngsters after 1 in 25 years we are making a dramatic turn if your right , in direct contradiction to the others other then perhaps Southampton who can boast a pretty impressive long term track record with their academy' and still feel the need to outflank us in Soares and Redmond and gabbiadini to survive and prosper , our youth plus frees and loans will see us with a short term revenue of 100m plus a healthy balance sheet and back where we started . Even for you, that is a massive pile of horse shit. Go on them name me 5 academy players we've bought through in the last ten years to be regular first team squad members and I'll buy your horse shit , but if you can't I hope you will have the good grace to perhaps suck on some yourself .
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 17, 2017 22:29:00 GMT
With everything under the sun being inflated this summer I wouldn't expect under £22 to be accepted by the pizza 🍕 team. We will just have to wait and see what the highest bidder is prepared to pay then, won't we? Sigh, I have a feeling WH won't go over £22mil and we'll be stuck with him and lose money next year, personally as we won't budge. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:31:33 GMT
Like houses, players are worth what someone is prepared to pay. Maybe it's you who needs to get real.... Nope it's definitely the small minded fans who are happy with getting pittance for our best players. Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:32:59 GMT
Nope it's definitely the small minded fans who are happy with getting pittance for our best players. Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next? One of the other clubs that knows he is worth more steps in?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:33:57 GMT
Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next? One of the other clubs that knows he is worth more steps in? Cool. I just need Bayern to tell me who these clubs are then......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:34:50 GMT
One of the other clubs that knows he is worth more steps in? Cool. I just need Bayern to tell me who these clubs are then...... I can tell you - none.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 17, 2017 22:37:53 GMT
Remember WBA and rejecting over 20 mill for Saido.......
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 22:40:27 GMT
Nope it's definitely the small minded fans who are happy with getting pittance for our best players. Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next? He plays 25 -30 games for stoke city next year players have asked for transfers in the past and stayed at many clubs bigger quextion is we bank whatever fee , Ramadan isn't up to it and we get offered 15m for shaq as a soft touch and £20m for Butland who has already said Man Utd come knocking and he'd have to be interested. what then ? this sets the principal going forward stoke can be parted from their best players on the cheap or they cant nzonzi and this suggest the former .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:41:08 GMT
Remember WBA and rejecting over 20 mill for Saido....... Exactly. 12 months later, £8m down the pan plus another £3m paying a player to do jack shit. Easy to play hard ball when it's someone else's money....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:41:43 GMT
Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next? He plays 25 -30 games for stoke city next year players have asked for transfers in the past and stayed at many clubs bigger quextion is we bank whatever fee , Ramadan isn't up to it and we get offered 15m for shaq as a soft touch and £20m for Butland who has already said Man Utd come knocking and he'd have to be interested. what then ? this sets the principal going forward stoke can be parted from their best players on the cheap or they cant nzonzi and this suggest the former . There really isn't any point is there?
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 17, 2017 22:41:59 GMT
Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next? He plays 25 -30 games for stoke city next year players have asked for transfers in the past and stayed at many clubs bigger quextion is we bank whatever fee , Ramadan isn't up to it and we get offered 15m for shaq as a soft touch and £20m for Butland who has already said Man Utd come knocking and he'd have to be interested. what then ? this sets the principal going forward stoke can be parted from their best players on the cheap or they cant nzonzi and this suggest the former . Jesus benji quextion made me switch in espanol there for a minute. 😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 17, 2017 22:43:34 GMT
Funnily enough, during my lengthy drive to London tonight part of the discussion on talk sport was about west ham lacking ambition and most west ham callers seemed to agree.
Wonder if Arnie was listening?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:45:29 GMT
Come on then impart your wisdom on us, West Ham offer £22m take it or leave it. We say no he's worth more. They walk away. What happens next? He plays 25 -30 games for stoke city next year players have asked for transfers in the past and stayed at many clubs bigger quextion is we bank whatever fee , Ramadan isn't up to it and we get offered 15m for shaq as a soft touch and £20m for Butland who has already said Man Utd come knocking and he'd have to be interested. what then ? this sets the principal going forward stoke can be parted from their best players on the cheap or they cant nzonzi and this suggest the former . You think he just turns up for training on Monday like nothing happened, really? Butland is a completely different kettle of fish, if he has a good season there will be a bidding war for him. If another couple of clubs come in for Arnautovic the rules change and we push the fee up, whilst there is only one team interested it ain't happening. Yours and Bayern's negotiating style are all well and good in theory but they're not reality.....
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 22:47:19 GMT
Remember WBA and rejecting over 20 mill for Saido....... Exactly. 12 months later, £8m down the pan plus another £3m paying a player to do jack shit. Easy to play hard ball when it's someone else's money.... Arnie has played a lot more games , over a longer period , is a regular international and hasn't just served a drug ban , amd has scored in the last two years , he's good value at a multiple of berahino x2.5 .
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 17, 2017 22:47:29 GMT
Funnily enough, during my lengthy drive to London tonight part of the discussion was about west ham lacking ambition and most west ham callers seemed to agree. Wonder if Arnie was listening? I asked a WH fan here last night if Arnie is leaving stoke due to lack of ambition, why do some WH fans cite the same lack for their team with him coming in? and others think he and Hernandez will make them CL quality instantly? Sounds like our forums! 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:50:17 GMT
Exactly. 12 months later, £8m down the pan plus another £3m paying a player to do jack shit. Easy to play hard ball when it's someone else's money.... Arnie has played a lot more games , over a longer period , is a regular international and hasn't just served a drug ban , amd has scored in the last two years , he's good value at a multiple of berahino x2.5 . In your mind yes. But whilst the only club that's interested is fellow mid table rivals West Ham we're not making a killing on this deal simple as that. And I say that as one of Arnie's biggest fans.....
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