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Post by march4 on Jul 17, 2017 20:43:54 GMT
According to the itk on kumb that broke the Arnie interest, the deal is agreed and terms, just a medical left to do. Any idea how much, mate? I would hope somewhere is the region of £32M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:45:59 GMT
According to the itk on kumb that broke the Arnie interest, the deal is agreed and terms, just a medical left to do. Any idea how much, mate? I would hope somewhere is the region of £32M Turn the 3 and the 2 round bud
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:46:54 GMT
According to the itk on kumb that broke the Arnie interest, the deal is agreed and terms, just a medical left to do. Any idea how much, mate? I would hope somewhere is the region of £32M £32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:47:50 GMT
According to the itk on kumb that broke the Arnie interest, the deal is agreed and terms, just a medical left to do. Any idea how much, mate? I would hope somewhere is the region of £32M I would guess £22-£25m.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 17, 2017 20:48:57 GMT
£23.75 million I'll go for.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 20:51:42 GMT
said all along less than 30m is incredibly naive , but the true test if it's 23 is will we now spend £50m on the team or try and convince people we are cleverer than the market .
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 17, 2017 20:56:09 GMT
According to the itk on kumb that broke the Arnie interest, the deal is agreed and terms, just a medical left to do. Any idea how much, mate? I would hope somewhere is the region of £32M so West Ham go from £15 million on their first offer to £32 million on their third?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:57:06 GMT
said all along less than 30m is incredibly naive , but the true test if it's 23 is will we now spend £50m on the team or try and convince people we are cleverer than the market . Words fail me.
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Post by bolders on Jul 17, 2017 20:57:08 GMT
I think it will be £22.5M with another £2.5m in add-ons if say West Ham get in to Europe in X amount of years
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 17, 2017 20:57:35 GMT
So let me get this right a 20 MILLION pound profit is not good enough? Barmy😆
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2017 20:58:57 GMT
said all along less than 30m is incredibly naive , but the true test if it's 23 is will we now spend £50m on the team or try and convince people we are cleverer than the market . It's not going to be £30M. You know full well it won't be. The issue here is that West Ham are the only club in town. Stoke have rejected two offers of £15M and £17M. You are the naive one if you think they'll go anywhere close to £30M. What Stoke must decide now is if they reject West Ham's third offer which is likely to be around the £22M that's been reported or hold out for £25M which may see them walk away and leave us with a player who doesn't want to play for us and who will be a target of abuse from his own fans if he has to stay here. You can throw your figures around and line up your vitriol against those you dislike at the club all you like, but that's the reality of the situation.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 17, 2017 21:01:19 GMT
We are not trying to beat the market, we are trying to build a self sufficient football club that is capable of being 10th in the division, as the owners do not plan to underwrite huge transfer spend on an ongoing basis. That means having a youth policy that provides players and then transfer revenues. 10 years in the top division means we should start to see the green shoots now as we have had long enough to build capability and attract young players in. Consistent with this, Hughes has said we will move the business model to one with 20 or so senior players and 4 or 5 youngsters. This also means cashflow is important and hence we will haggle over payment terms, take loans , gamble on the likes of Fletcher, Bojan and Wolly all for different circumstances and often walk away. You keep judging management against a strategy that doesn't exist in the club. It is undoubtedly a gamble but sensible to do in a managed way rather than overreacting and ending up like Blackburn or Coventry
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Post by march4 on Jul 17, 2017 21:03:38 GMT
Any idea how much, mate? I would hope somewhere is the region of £32M £32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it.
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 17, 2017 21:09:47 GMT
£32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. How can you say people from Stoke belittle & undervalue everything? Oh the Irony! 😆
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2017 21:10:22 GMT
He's going to enjoy the new corner next season when he comes back, much easier to hit him with the pigs head I'm going to launch at him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:10:32 GMT
£32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. Ah the old Stoke on Trent small time mentality argument even though our owners deal in a truly global industry. Absolute crock of shite....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:12:15 GMT
Keep rejecting Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:12:31 GMT
£32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. You might have a point about "folks" from SOT belittling the area and its assets. I however am not one of them. I have extreme pride in the history of this city. The heritage of mining, steel and the best pottery that the world has ever seen gives me the cause for that pride. Although trophies for SCFC are scarce, I do have pride in the team that I support. Arnie was inconsistent, had problems scoring a goal with both head and foot. A slightly better than average player. A show pony that was generous to others when it suited him - when it didn't suit him - HE SULKED. We call em marde arses round here. What do they call em where you are from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:13:02 GMT
£32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. Absolutely spot on. Our small mind mentality holds us back. Swansea want 50m for sigurddsson and will get it. Everton wanted 90m for lukaku they got it... stoke are happy sell there prize asset for peanuts... and will get just that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:13:21 GMT
£32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. Leicester are believed to have valued former player of the season and Premier League winner Mahrez at £40m. Anything above £30m for Arnautovic is just an absolute pipe dream when only one club are interested....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:15:25 GMT
The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. Absolutely spot on. Our small mind mentality holds us back. Swansea want 50m for sigurddsson and will get it. Everton wanted 90m for lukaku they got it... stoke are happy sell there prize asset for peanuts... and will get just that No they didn't it's £75m before add ons....
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 17, 2017 21:15:44 GMT
I'm not sure why any of our fans have an interest in whether it's 20 , 25 or 30 million .it makes absolutely no difference in the great scheme of things .
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2017 21:18:29 GMT
The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. Absolutely spot on. Our small mind mentality holds us back. Swansea want 50m for sigurddsson and will get it. Everton wanted 90m for lukaku they got it... stoke are happy sell there prize asset for peanuts... and will get just that Stoke aren't happy to sell Arnautovic though are they? Mark Hughes has publicly stated that he wants to keep him. The club have rejected two derisory offers. Arnie and his brother have put our club in a no win situation. The attitude of some fans on here and on other social media platforms will tell them there is the likelihood of a poisonous situation developing if he remains a Stoke player. It doesn't really matter what we think he's worth, it's what West Ham offer. There may be a possibility that they will walk away if we reject their next bid. Where will that leave us all?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:18:50 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Our small mind mentality holds us back. Swansea want 50m for sigurddsson and will get it. Everton wanted 90m for lukaku they got it... stoke are happy sell there prize asset for peanuts... and will get just that No they didn't it's £75m after add ons.... Initial 75m rising to 90m
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 17, 2017 21:20:02 GMT
£32m for Arnie? Which home for the deluded and confused folks do you come from? The home where £30M was spent on Bolasie when the market was calmer. The same home where a 23 year old goalkeeper has been signed for £30M And it is still the same home where a full back of all positions has been signed by Man City for £53M. This is what I hate most about the wonderful folk from S-o-T. We belittle and undervalue everything we have and think things from everywhere else must be better and more glamorous. If Arnie was at Soton, he would have a £40M price on his head and they wouldn't settle until they got it. I think we'd probably get 30m if Everton or any of the top 6 were interested but they're not. If other clubs thought 23m was a real steal then they'd turn it into an auction but that's not happened so I don't think we have much option than to sell him for 23-25m as he's no use to us. We could be spiteful but we wouldn't gain anything by it. I just hope someone unsettles Lanzini and does the same to them and see how they like it. The whole things got a nasty smell to it but none of this is Stokes fault IMO just a case of greed and WHU unsettling the player by manipulating the media.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:21:13 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Our small mind mentality holds us back. Swansea want 50m for sigurddsson and will get it. Everton wanted 90m for lukaku they got it... stoke are happy sell there prize asset for peanuts... and will get just that Stoke aren't happy to sell Arnautovic though are they? Mark Hughes has publicly stated that he wants to keep him. The club have rejected two derisory offers. Arnie and his brother have put them in a no work situation. The attitude of Sime fans in here and on other social media platforms will tell them there is the likelihood of a poisonous situation developing if he remains a Stoke player. It doesn't really matter what we think he's worth, it's what West Ham offer. There may be a possibility that they will walk away if we reject their next bid. Where will that leave us all? As it stands he's under contract at Stoke. If they want him that bad then tell them it's 30m that's it. If not then Arnie as some serious performances to put in. And his brother will have to work his magic to get a club to pay the 30m asking price. We hold the aces here not the player.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 17, 2017 21:22:15 GMT
We are not trying to beat the market, we are trying to build a self sufficient football club that is capable of being 10th in the division, as the owners do not plan to underwrite huge transfer spend on an ongoing basis. That means having a youth policy that provides players and then transfer revenues. 10 years in the top division means we should start to see the green shoots now as we have had long enough to build capability and attract young players in. Consistent with this, Hughes has said we will move the business model to one with 20 or so senior players and 4 or 5 youngsters. This also means cashflow is important and hence we will haggle over payment terms, take loans , gamble on the likes of Fletcher, Bojan and Wolly all for different circumstances and often walk away. You keep judging management against a strategy that doesn't exist in the club. It is undoubtedly a gamble but sensible to do in a managed way rather than overreacting and ending up like Blackburn or Coventry What your describing may well be true , it will also see us playing Blackburn and god forbid Coventry in the near future , our youth policy has the track record to match the list of Fegg Heyes contestants in the Eurovision Song Contest and suddenly its producing 4/5 premiership youngsters after 1 in 25 years we are making a dramatic turn if your right , in direct contradiction to the others other then perhaps Southampton who can boast a pretty impressive long term track record with their academy' and still feel the need to outflank us in Soares and Redmond and gabbiadini to survive and prosper , our youth plus frees and loans will see us with a short term revenue of 100m plus a healthy balance sheet and back where we started .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:23:22 GMT
No they didn't it's £75m after add ons.... Initial 75m rising to 90m I meant before add ons sorry but that's not £90m yet. Absolute different kettle of fish anyway, one mid table team only after Arnie so no bidding war. Whether we choose to accept £25m is debatable but we're not going to get anymore unless other teams enter the race....
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 17, 2017 21:25:39 GMT
Stoke aren't happy to sell Arnautovic though are they? Mark Hughes has publicly stated that he wants to keep him. The club have rejected two derisory offers. Arnie and his brother have put them in a no work situation. The attitude of Sime fans in here and on other social media platforms will tell them there is the likelihood of a poisonous situation developing if he remains a Stoke player. It doesn't really matter what we think he's worth, it's what West Ham offer. There may be a possibility that they will walk away if we reject their next bid. Where will that leave us all? As it stands he's under contract at Stoke. If they want him that bad then tell them it's 30m that's it. If not then Arnie as some serious performances to put in. And his brother will have to work his magic to get a club to pay the 30m asking price. We hold the aces here not the player. I just don't see him putting in any effort if we block the deal. If he was working his arse off and putting in 100 percent of course we should keep him but so public has the situation been I just can't see it getting back to how it was unless he eats a lot of humble pie which I Don't think he has the ego to do.
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Post by liamo on Jul 17, 2017 21:36:37 GMT
Looking at it from the clubs perspective i think we've done well if we get £22m ish, i get it, from a fans perspective with some of the money being thrown around it seems very low
But as a club we don't want to be seen to stand in the way of players if they want to leave and from the second bid we've been dealing from a weakened position due to Arnie handing in a transfer request and shit being leaked publicly, West ham are also notoriously low bidders and from what we know are the only team interested in him which also pisses on any chance of a bidding war
If we overplay our hand we're stuck with a temperamental Arnie sucking up £75k a week while being hated by most of the fanbase and rapidly losing value due to age and not being arsed anymore... the transfer team has made some questionable decisions in the past but i don't think they deserves shit for this one if it comes off
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