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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 17, 2017 0:21:15 GMT
Keep rejecting bids, Stoke. We can keep him here for four more years, if we like.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 17, 2017 3:32:27 GMT
Perhaps during last season, when he has realized, that Mark Hughes is a manager with little ambition, who confuses poor performances with good ones, prefers playing grandads than expensive young players and who finallly has proven this season his tactical incompetence a bunch of times. In Addition he has not been able to integrate good signs and build up a strong team, especially on the forward position or the Nr. 10 role, which are very important for Arnis game. Think, these are the reasons why Arni is convincing a transfer.....not because of his brother or the money, as many people here complaining about I can understand the decision of a 28year old player who has the chance of a new challenge after that woeful season in a team, playing constantly a frustrating football. Sorry Kurt, but your boy and his brother are leaving for the money, and are publicly dragging our club's name through the mud while they do it. Our club took him in, and gave him the environment he needed to shed his 'reputation' and then gave him the security of a new deal as our highest paid player only last year. We as supporters have worshipped the guy and allowed for his 'Arnie-isms' week in week out, and he has turned around and kicked us right in the bollocks by demanding a move to another mid table club. Ambition doesn't come into it, don't start fooling yourself. There will be no understanding and forgiveness on his return; we don't take betrayal well! He will be left in no uncertain terms just how we feel about him from the second he steps off the West Ham team coach. Such a shame, I have fucking adored the bloke, but he's fucked with our club so he'll never be forgiven. Exactly this! Stoke City FC and Mark Hughes took a gamble on Arnie when no one else wanted the 'problem'. He revived his career here under the guidance of Hughes, so to suggest he is now pushing to leave because Hughes is a manager with little ambition is complete dog shit - Did Hughes lack ambition when he gave Arnie a chance to reignite his career? Did he lack ambition when he gave him a new deal, paying a huge amount of money to play his football here? If and when Arnie leaves for WHU he will be treated with the contempt he deserves upon his return.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 17, 2017 6:48:52 GMT
That is true, we have. But Marko Arnautovic states we lack ambition only to take a sideways move to West Ham. So he is also showing a lack of ambition and is going purely for the financial gains to be made. The reasoning from him was just a convenient excuse at the time to (poorly) mask his true intentions. So the anger directed towards him is purely because of the destination, not because he wants to move. If he were to go to a club like Milan, PSG, even Everton then we could understand but West Ham are no bigger a club than us (despite what their fans would have you believe). Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition? Every report on the day the clown handed in his transfer request suggests it www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/628600/Marko-Arnautovic-transfer-request-Stoke-West-Ham-15m-Slaven-Bilic-Mark-HughesPerhaps they are all making it up?
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2017 6:58:14 GMT
Wouldnt be the first time they've done it. No direct quotes from either Arnautovic though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 17, 2017 7:03:16 GMT
Wouldnt be the first time they've done it. No direct quotes from either Arnautovic though. Either way, him and his brother said it or the papers believe the lack of ambition line is one worth running with. Probably due to our massively underwhelming business so far. My guess is that the chuckle brothers said it to justify pressing so strongly for such a sideways move.
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Post by stantheman on Jul 17, 2017 7:24:03 GMT
Good comments. Reminds me of the last couple of blokes who public cited "lack of ambition - Begovich (that worked out well) and my own favorite traitor ..... Kavanagh. I still chuckle when I watch O'Connor score right through his legs! and then his reaction at the final whistle. As far as I'm concerned, Arnie stopped being my favorite player quite a few months back. Cheers Arnie, it was fun while it lasted, enjoy the trip downward! When did Bego question our ambition? He just said he wanted to play for a club who were challenging for trophies and higher up the league. What's wrong with that? He had the belief he could do that. He didn't succeed but he won shit in the process. Just made an appointment to see a shrink, as I have found myself agreeing with Bayern
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Post by chumley on Jul 17, 2017 7:39:22 GMT
Think he's more than burnt his bridges now, when he said 12 months ago that he stayed for the fans did anyone really belive him. He will go to west ham and want ove in 12 months or be f****d off back to some 2nd div german team again, hopefully. Just a selfish pair of w****rs, him and his brother.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 17, 2017 7:56:30 GMT
Wouldnt be the first time they've done it. No direct quotes from either Arnautovic though. Either way, him and his brother said it or the papers believe the lack of ambition line is one worth running with. Probably due to our massively underwhelming business so far. My guess is that the chuckle brothers said it to justify pressing so strongly for such a sideways move. Either way Arnie or his brother have had ample time to correct the position if they were misquoted or if the ambition line was false. Show me where a report where either have rubbished the quotes attributed to their camp.
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Post by philb on Jul 17, 2017 8:14:41 GMT
Anyway he's still injured isn't he 😂😂😂
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 17, 2017 8:42:05 GMT
Think he's more than burnt his bridges now, when he said 12 months ago that he stayed for the fans did anyone really belive him. He will go to west ham and want ove in 12 months or be f****d off back to some 2nd div german team again, hopefully. Just a selfish pair of w****rs, him and his brother. Has he ever played for a German second division team? Why is he selfish? Last time I checked, he wasnt born in Stoke-on-Trent and before he signed his contract, had probably never even heard of the club. If he wants out, for whatever reason, that is up to him. The way he and his brother seem to be approaching it is what the problem is. But selfish? For wanting to work somewhere that pays more money? Isnt that waht EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US do? Some of the general comments on this thread are ridiculous. I am as upset as the next guy and loved every minute of Arnie here but to suggest he was "not that good" are so wide of the mark, it's not funny. The guy has been our best player for 2-3 years.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 17, 2017 9:26:23 GMT
Where are you from again, Kurt? From Austria. @sorensen82 : No. We have turned from an excellent team, which we was in November/December 2015 to a bad team 2017 and thats the reason why Arni wants to leave. So you support Arnie first and Stoke second? I, too, can see why Arnie might want to leave given our drop in performance last season and he may fancy living in London for a while and a change of scene. If he gets a big up in a recently renegotiated salary then he's quids in. But, don't make him out to be some kind of paragon. I question your objectivity, that's all.
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Post by philb on Jul 17, 2017 9:32:55 GMT
73 pages and he still hasn't gone yet!
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Post by kurt on Jul 17, 2017 9:52:27 GMT
From Austria. @sorensen82 : No. We have turned from an excellent team, which we was in November/December 2015 to a bad team 2017 and thats the reason why Arni wants to leave. So you support Arnie first and Stoke second? I, too, can see why Arnie might want to leave given our drop in performance last season and he may fancy living in London for a while and a change of scene. If he gets a big up in a recently renegotiated salary then he's quids in. But, don't make him out to be some kind of paragon. I question your objectivity, that's all. I´ve said that from the beginning, that i follow Arni´s carreer, but I love you guys anyway, have been at Britannia and in the good pubs in the city. I would appreciate if Arni stays, but during the last season i´ve got the impression, that everything stagnates at Stoke Ciy or even goes downwards - and i think Arni feels the same. Of course you can mention, that at West Ham probably nothing is better, but i am not very optimistic for the current season with our manager and i don´t want to see a half arsed Arni who is frustrated most of the time. As i´ve mentioned in a former comment, Mark Hughes has been searching for suitable players on kee positions like forward or Nr. 10 - he has tried so many since Arni has been on Stoke and nothing really works (Bojan, Allen, Joselu, Bony, Walters,....). If people think it´s only about the money, ok - I don´t believe that´s the main issue - he is searching for a new challenge, seeing no great perspective at Stoke. Don´t know what West Ham is planning for that season, but they are in the new great stadium. I think they want to offer their fans good football and will invest - have already sold 52.000 annual subsriptions what i´ve heard. I wasn´t happy too a few years ago, when i´ve heard that his brother is also his agent - but that´s unfortunately the situation and i know it from the past, that Arni listens to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 9:54:18 GMT
Think he's more than burnt his bridges now, when he said 12 months ago that he stayed for the fans did anyone really belive him. He will go to west ham and want ove in 12 months or be f****d off back to some 2nd div german team again, hopefully. Just a selfish pair of w****rs, him and his brother. Has he ever played for a German second division team? Why is he selfish? Last time I checked, he wasnt born in Stoke-on-Trent and before he signed his contract, had probably never even heard of the club. If he wants out, for whatever reason, that is up to him. The way he and his brother seem to be approaching it is what the problem is. But selfish? For wanting to work somewhere that pays more money? Isnt that waht EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US do? Some of the general comments on this thread are ridiculous. I am as upset as the next guy and loved every minute of Arnie here but to suggest he was "not that good" are so wide of the mark, it's not funny. The guy has been our best player for 2-3 years. Bang on ^
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Post by liamo on Jul 17, 2017 10:53:15 GMT
Think he's more than burnt his bridges now, when he said 12 months ago that he stayed for the fans did anyone really belive him. He will go to west ham and want ove in 12 months or be f****d off back to some 2nd div german team again, hopefully. Just a selfish pair of w****rs, him and his brother. Has he ever played for a German second division team? Why is he selfish? Last time I checked, he wasnt born in Stoke-on-Trent and before he signed his contract, had probably never even heard of the club. If he wants out, for whatever reason, that is up to him. The way he and his brother seem to be approaching it is what the problem is. But selfish? For wanting to work somewhere that pays more money? Isnt that waht EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US do? Some of the general comments on this thread are ridiculous. I am as upset as the next guy and loved every minute of Arnie here but to suggest he was "not that good" are so wide of the mark, it's not funny. The guy has been our best player for 2-3 years. I agree to a certain extent but if you'd just signed a new work contract at Google and then a year later tried to get out of your contract to move and work for a direct competitor, your original employer is going to be more than a little bit pissed? It's obviously his life and his choice if he wants to move on but don't expect Stoke fans to be all giddy at the thought of him playing for a mid table rival
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Post by philb on Jul 17, 2017 10:58:02 GMT
Has he ever played for a German second division team? Why is he selfish? Last time I checked, he wasnt born in Stoke-on-Trent and before he signed his contract, had probably never even heard of the club. If he wants out, for whatever reason, that is up to him. The way he and his brother seem to be approaching it is what the problem is. But selfish? For wanting to work somewhere that pays more money? Isnt that waht EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US do? Some of the general comments on this thread are ridiculous. I am as upset as the next guy and loved every minute of Arnie here but to suggest he was "not that good" are so wide of the mark, it's not funny. The guy has been our best player for 2-3 years. I agree to a certain extent but if you'd just signed a new work contract at Google and then a year later tried to get out of your contract to move and work for a direct competitor, your original employer is going to be more than a little bit pissed? It's obviously his life and his choice if he wants to move on but don't expect Stoke fans to be all giddy at the thought of him playing for a mid table rival We should put him on gardening leave for the next 3 years 😂
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 17, 2017 10:59:20 GMT
Has he ever played for a German second division team? Why is he selfish? Last time I checked, he wasnt born in Stoke-on-Trent and before he signed his contract, had probably never even heard of the club. If he wants out, for whatever reason, that is up to him. The way he and his brother seem to be approaching it is what the problem is. But selfish? For wanting to work somewhere that pays more money? Isnt that waht EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US do? Some of the general comments on this thread are ridiculous. I am as upset as the next guy and loved every minute of Arnie here but to suggest he was "not that good" are so wide of the mark, it's not funny. The guy has been our best player for 2-3 years. I agree to a certain extent but if you'd just signed a new work contract at Google and then a year later tried to get out of your contract to move and work for a direct competitor, your original employer is going to be more than a little bit pissed? It's obviously his life and his choice if he wants to move on but don't expect Stoke fans to be all giddy at the thought of him playing for a mid table rival I am sure Stoke City will be annoyed for sure but the situation isnt entirely comparable as Google don't have a bunch of fans who would be outraged. Let's put it this way, if we are paying him £70k a week and West Ham will pay £90k, we aren't talking a small amount are we? That's getting towards an extra million a year... Let's make it relevant to our salaries. £30k a year and another company will pay you £50k a year, are we saying no one is going to consider that? Also in football, pretty every move is to a competitor so you would be expecting a player to never make a money transfer. Don't get me wrong, in my reply I didn't say which side of the fence I was on. I think the time is for Arnie to move for a few reasons. 1. He is 28 and it makes economical sense to sell him when his stock is high. If he gets towards 30, we might as well halve the £20-25m being discussed now. 2. His and his agents actions appear to have burned all bridges and I cannot see a way back. 3. We need to start using the exciting youth players now rather than later and we need to follow the Southampton approach. Sobhi, Ngoy and Verlinden aren't going to sit waiting forever and if they did leave, we find ourselves constantly having to fork out 8 figure sums on replacements.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 17, 2017 11:00:06 GMT
I now hate ALL Austrian Slavs!
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Post by parsonage1955 on Jul 17, 2017 11:15:46 GMT
Kurt's analysis seems spot on to me. We've lost all momentum these last 18 months and Arnie wants a change (we've all applied for new jobs at some point, haven't we?) If we get £22.5 million and re-invest it wisely in the areas we need to strengthen, it will have been decent business all round.
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Post by philb on Jul 17, 2017 11:21:26 GMT
Kurt's analysis seems spot on to me. We've lost all momentum these last 18 months and Arnie wants a change (we've all applied for new jobs at some point, haven't we?) If we get £22.5 million and re-invest it wisely in the areas we need to strengthen, it will have been decent business all round. Yes but isn't part of that lost momentum down to our players and therefore him. Some players will want to kick on and show their worth to their club and fans and help the club get back on track. Arnautovic clearly doesn't. Good riddance.
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Post by barcaontrent on Jul 17, 2017 11:35:37 GMT
I'd have no problem with Arnie wanting to go to a higher up club with greater ambitions. Everton, Liverpool etc I would have no problem with But West Ham is about as much of a sideways move as I can think of. Not only has he done this in a totally disrespectful manner, but he is clearly only motivated by his bank statement. I'll be booing him till the roof falls off if he turns up at the Bet365 next season with that shite West Ham badge on his shirt
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Post by philb on Jul 17, 2017 11:38:59 GMT
I'd have no problem with Arnie wanting to go to a higher up club with greater ambitions. Everton, Liverpool etc I would have no problem with But West Ham is about as much of a sideways move as I can think of. Not only has he done this in a totally disrespectful manner, but he is clearly only motivated by his bank statement. I'll be booing him till the roof falls off if he turns up at the Bet365 next season with that shite West Ham badge on his shirt Dont worry he'll probably be 'injured' that day.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 17, 2017 11:40:50 GMT
I'd have no problem with Arnie wanting to go to a higher up club with greater ambitions. Everton, Liverpool etc I would have no problem with But West Ham is about as much of a sideways move as I can think of. Not only has he done this in a totally disrespectful manner, but he is clearly only motivated by his bank statement. I'll be booing him till the roof falls off if he turns up at the Bet365 next season with that shite West Ham badge on his shirt Dont worry he'll probably be 'injured' that day. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he got a red a week or so before.
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Post by andylgr on Jul 17, 2017 11:47:01 GMT
I'd have no problem with Arnie wanting to go to a higher up club with greater ambitions. Everton, Liverpool etc I would have no problem with But West Ham is about as much of a sideways move as I can think of. Not only has he done this in a totally disrespectful manner, but he is clearly only motivated by his bank statement. I'll be booing him till the roof falls off if he turns up at the Bet365 next season with that shite West Ham badge on his shirt Thats the annoying thing, thats hes potentially moving to a club that could just as easily finish below us as above is. Its a move clearly fuelled by money, nothing else, but to read stuff like 'we gave him his chance' or 'we took him off the scrap heap' as if he owes us something is laughable because there is no loyalty at football at any level. Its annoying as f**k that its a club like West Ham he's going to, but lets hope we get a good price for him and then we try to move on and use the money wisely.
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Post by jonnynico on Jul 17, 2017 13:32:38 GMT
west ham are now reported to made 3rd offer of £22mil, not looked through all the posts so don't know if its been mentioned
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jul 17, 2017 13:52:09 GMT
Regarding the lack of evidence of a statement from Arnie etc, he hasn't posted anything on Instagram at all since the news of the transfer request broke.
He's normally very prolific on there (As in every day) So he's had ample opportunity to confirm or deny this, but has chosen to be extremely quiet.
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2017 14:00:56 GMT
west ham are now reported to made 3rd offer of £22mil, not looked through all the posts so don't know if its been mentioned Reported by who?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 17, 2017 14:04:32 GMT
west ham are now reported to made 3rd offer of £22mil, not looked through all the posts so don't know if its been mentioned Reported by who? Sky.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 14:06:18 GMT
22mil not enough. No less than 25mil, if he has to go!
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Post by sportsman on Jul 17, 2017 14:08:42 GMT
Demand 25m and fuck the idiot off
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