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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 16, 2017 19:56:55 GMT
Let him go. This little bastard will take his mantle. 👍🏼 Its,criminal to have talent like that and be on a bench. That Middlesbrough performance was something else. Reminded me of Mark Chamberlain in his pomp when I was a young lad.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 16, 2017 19:57:15 GMT
People trying to point to our current business as some kind of proof that Arnautovic wants to move to a more ambitious club rather than for financial reasons would do well to realise that West Ham have so far signed one player - 32 year-old Pablo Zabaleta - on a free transfer and their current net spend is -£8m.
Of course, judging anyone's transfer business at this stage is pure folly and using net spend in July as a barometer of ambition is ludicrous, but these are the criteria laid down by others, not me.
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Post by kurt on Jul 16, 2017 19:58:44 GMT
From Austria. @sorensen82 : No. We have turned down from an excellent team, which we was in November/December 2015 to a bad team 2017 and thats the reason why Arni wants to leave. He wants to leave because another team wants to pay him more money. This is nonsense, mate. He has a very good, 3 years remaining, contract here. If money is his ambition it woud be easy for him to fullfill that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:00:45 GMT
Where are you from again, Kurt? From Austria. @sorensen82 : No. We have turned from an excellent team, which we was in November/December 2015 to a bad team 2017 and thats the reason why Arni wants to leave. If that was true he wouldn't be going West Ham, him and his brother are after the money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:04:22 GMT
He wants to leave because another team wants to pay him more money. This is nonsense, mate. He has a very good, 3 years remaining, contract here. If money is his ambition it woud be easy for him to fullfill that. ...and he is fulfilling it by going to West Ham, if they show enough ambition to pay the going rate...
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Post by kurt on Jul 16, 2017 20:04:50 GMT
From Austria. @sorensen82 : No. We have turned from an excellent team, which we was in November/December 2015 to a bad team 2017 and thats the reason why Arni wants to leave. If that was true he wouldn't be going West Ham, him and his brother are after the money. I'm sure West Ham will spend a lot of money in new players and Arni knows that.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 16, 2017 20:06:37 GMT
Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition? Perhaps during last season, when he has realized, that Mark Hughes is a manager with little ambition, who confuses poor performances with good ones, prefers playing grandads than expensive young players and who finallly has proven this season his tactical incompetence a bunch of times. In Addition he has not been able to integrate good signs and build up a strong team, especially on the forward position or the Nr. 10 role, which are very important for Arnis game. Think, these are the reasons why Arni is convincing a transfer.....not because of his brother or the money, as many people here complaining about I can understand the decision of a 28year old player who has the chance of a new challenge after that woeful season in a team, playing constantly a frustrating football. Sorry Kurt, but your boy and his brother are leaving for the money, and are publicly dragging our club's name through the mud while they do it. Our club took him in, and gave him the environment he needed to shed his 'reputation' and then gave him the security of a new deal as our highest paid player only last year. We as supporters have worshipped the guy and allowed for his 'Arnie-isms' week in week out, and he has turned around and kicked us right in the bollocks by demanding a move to another mid table club. Ambition doesn't come into it, don't start fooling yourself. There will be no understanding and forgiveness on his return; we don't take betrayal well! He will be left in no uncertain terms just how we feel about him from the second he steps off the West Ham team coach. Such a shame, I have fucking adored the bloke, but he's fucked with our club so he'll never be forgiven.
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Post by neddy on Jul 16, 2017 20:07:08 GMT
If that was true he wouldn't be going West Ham, him and his brother are after the money. I'm sure West Ham will spend a lot of money in new players and Arni knows that. How do you know we won't?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:07:38 GMT
If that was true he wouldn't be going West Ham, him and his brother are after the money. I'm sure West Ham will spend a lot of money in new players and Arni knows that. Absolute rubbish, let's see at the end of the window.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2017 20:09:16 GMT
Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition? Perhaps during last season, when he has realized, that Mark Hughes is a manager with little ambition, who confuses poor performances with good ones, prefers playing grandads than expensive young players and who finallly has proven this season his tactical incompetence a bunch of times. In Addition he has not been able to integrate good signs and build up a strong team, especially on the forward position or the Nr. 10 role, which are very important for Arnis game. Think, these are the reasons why Arni is convincing a transfer.....not because of his brother or the money, as many people here complaining about I can understand the decision of a 28year old player who has the chance of a new challenge after that woeful season in a team, playing constantly a frustrating football. You're pretty much describing West Ham's season/manager's performance there though too and that's the issue. He's moving for the money, not ambition if he goes to West Ham. That is abundantly clear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:13:19 GMT
Perhaps during last season, when he has realized, that Mark Hughes is a manager with little ambition, who confuses poor performances with good ones, prefers playing grandads than expensive young players and who finallly has proven this season his tactical incompetence a bunch of times. In Addition he has not been able to integrate good signs and build up a strong team, especially on the forward position or the Nr. 10 role, which are very important for Arnis game. Think, these are the reasons why Arni is convincing a transfer.....not because of his brother or the money, as many people here complaining about I can understand the decision of a 28year old player who has the chance of a new challenge after that woeful season in a team, playing constantly a frustrating football. You're pretty much describing West Ham's season/manager's performance there though too and that's the issue. He's moving for the money, not ambition if he goes to West Ham. That is abundantly clear. Spot on, it's impossible to deny that he's off for the money 💰.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 16, 2017 20:18:03 GMT
If that was true he wouldn't be going West Ham, him and his brother are after the money. I'm sure West Ham will spend a lot of money in new players and Arni knows that. 'Ambition' has nothing to do with spending... Ask Newcastle, Villa, Sunderland, Palace, Watford, blah blah... All have spent far more than us over the past few years and we have finished higher than them all. Since promotion, we have finished: 12, 11, 13, 14, 13, 9, 9, 9, 13 During that time West Ham have finished 9, 17, 20, - , 10, 13, 12, 7, 11 We have finished above them 6 times out of 9 and made the FA Cup final. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that going to West Ham gives him a better chance of success in the league or cups. They have done nothing in the summer to suggest that they are any more ambitious than Stoke City. This is purely about money. Nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:22:34 GMT
If that was true he wouldn't be going West Ham, him and his brother are after the money. I'm sure West Ham will spend a lot of money in new players and Arni knows that.
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Post by eriksson74 on Jul 16, 2017 20:25:45 GMT
I'm sure West Ham will spend a lot of money in new players and Arni knows that. I thought West Ham had to sell!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:32:53 GMT
He will be gone by Tuesday for 23m
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 20:33:52 GMT
Of course it does Stoke sell players every club sells players some ask to go some are told they are going ! If they dont want to leave they see out their contract if the club dont want them to leave they see out their contract simple really. How many Stoke players have in our premier league era asked for a transfer citing we lack ambition? When in fact they want to leave to get more money and are trying to deflect the blame on to the club. For somebody who is all grown up you are incredibly naive. And you're giving facts about whats going on where from ? You're listening to social media and folk on here lol prove any of what you have just posted................ thought so bullshit and rumour talk about being naive.
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Post by liamo on Jul 16, 2017 20:34:15 GMT
Zonz had ambition, that's why he ended up taking a pay cut to move to Sevilla, regularly in European competition
Arnie who put himself about last summer window to see if anyone would offer him more money before eventually turning down Everton and signing a new contract because we offered him much more money is not ambitious, if he were why would he reject Everton? If he is ambitious and wants to play in Europe then West Ham isn't the place for him regardless
On the off chance that he really is ambitious and this whole story is being horribly misunderstood and is unfairly reflecting on him, well no big teams have approached us or him have they? Which would suggest he's found his level for now..
I love Arnie as a player, it saddens me that in the space of a few days the situation has gone to shit, possibly because of a greedy family member
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Post by spoton on Jul 16, 2017 20:34:45 GMT
22.5mill
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 16, 2017 20:44:06 GMT
Transfer team should be fired the second that happens two years too late but 4 year contract , no need to sell , immediate rival , key player , squad message all say £30m . expect low ball offers on Shaq and Butland before the windows closes if that's true .
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 16, 2017 20:44:49 GMT
Let him go. This little bastard will take his mantle. 👍🏼 Its,criminal to have talent like that and be on a bench. That Middlesbrough performance was something else. Reminded me of Mark Chamberlain in his pomp when I was a young lad. Agreed. Makes it looks easy - and the fact he's doing that on the back of very few consistent starts makes his potential frightening. Compared to Arnie he has a cool head when he gets into the box, which theoretically should see him return more assists and goals!
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 16, 2017 20:45:50 GMT
He will be gone by Tuesday for 23m Any advance on Tuesday
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Post by stokiemarc on Jul 16, 2017 21:14:00 GMT
Interesting that no one else has put a bid in as he's now 'available'. I think that says it all really. Step up Ramadona
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 16, 2017 21:16:31 GMT
How many Stoke players have in our premier league era asked for a transfer citing we lack ambition? When in fact they want to leave to get more money and are trying to deflect the blame on to the club. For somebody who is all grown up you are incredibly naive. And you're giving facts about whats going on where from ? You're listening to social media and folk on here lol prove any of what you have just posted................ thought so bullshit and rumour talk about being naive. No just not falling for the no ambition line.Most sensible folk could work it out for themselves eg 10% of transfer fee to agent (Arnie's brother ) £2 million etc.Still with me?Or are you still struggling with the concept that he and his brother are being a little bit mercenary and that is offensive to the majority of Stoke fans. Are you trying to say he hasn't asked for a transfer now or is that made up bullshit.
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Post by lee1982 on Jul 16, 2017 21:34:36 GMT
The more i think about it the less arsed i feel about him leaving. He's been great for us no doubt, nowhere near consistantly enough but thats why he's attracted little interest until now. When you consider he's 28 and if he stayed with us for the remainder of his contract into his 30's we wouldnt attract half of what is being mentioned now. We have a more than capable ready made replacement in ramadan. Cash in on him whilst the offer is there and strengthen other areas. Bring in another wideplayer to compete with shaq and ramadan, especially given shaqs injuries.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 16, 2017 22:13:14 GMT
>£20m sounds a good deal to me for a player who is inconsistent, >28, not "home grown", and has dreadful body language and upsets referees. I accept the other players in the squad like to have him around, but he is the sort of character where that could change over-night.
Benji is right to say he is our best (out-field) player with his goals and assists, but that is a reflection on how poor the rest of the squad were last season, not how good Arni is. There is no way he is worth £30m and we will never get anything like that for him. We would only get something like that if he were younger (<25) and British. (Personally I don't care a jot about how much Stoke sell or buy players for, it's not my money.)
We have a ready made replacement who will give 100% , 100% of the time and get better with regular playing. Let's go with him and move on.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 16, 2017 22:35:23 GMT
Perhaps during last season, when he has realized, that Mark Hughes is a manager with little ambition, who confuses poor performances with good ones, prefers playing grandads than expensive young players and who finallly has proven this season his tactical incompetence a bunch of times. In Addition he has not been able to integrate good signs and build up a strong team, especially on the forward position or the Nr. 10 role, which are very important for Arnis game. Think, these are the reasons why Arni is convincing a transfer.....not because of his brother or the money, as many people here complaining about I can understand the decision of a 28year old player who has the chance of a new challenge after that woeful season in a team, playing constantly a frustrating football. Sorry Kurt, but your boy and his brother are leaving for the money, and are publicly dragging our club's name through the mud while they do it. Our club took him in, and gave him the environment he needed to shed his 'reputation' and then gave him the security of a new deal as our highest paid player only last year. We as supporters have worshipped the guy and allowed for his 'Arnie-isms' week in week out, and he has turned around and kicked us right in the bollocks by demanding a move to another mid table club. Ambition doesn't come into it, don't start fooling yourself. There will be no understanding and forgiveness on his return; we don't take betrayal well! He will be left in no uncertain terms just how we feel about him from the second he steps off the West Ham team coach. Such a shame, I have fucking adored the bloke, but he's fucked with our club so he'll never be forgiven. Good comments. Reminds me of the last couple of blokes who public cited "lack of ambition - Begovich (that worked out well) and my own favorite traitor ..... Kavanagh. I still chuckle when I watch O'Connor score right through his legs! and then his reaction at the final whistle. As far as I'm concerned, Arnie stopped being my favorite player quite a few months back. Cheers Arnie, it was fun while it lasted, enjoy the trip downward!
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Post by philb on Jul 16, 2017 22:40:37 GMT
I imagine there will be quite a few derogatory songs sung about him on his return, the first beginning with the words "One greedy bastard...."
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 16, 2017 22:50:59 GMT
Whilst I'm getting bored with this saga, this article does IMO shed some light in where Arni is coming from and that "lack of ambition" statement: www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/07/16/do-everton-fans-discuss-renewing-interest-in-stoke-citys-marko-a/Arni has seen how Everton and Stoke performed last season and the way Everton are now spending huge amounts and clearly feels he missed his opportunity last summer to jump ship and join them. It follows that interest being shown by West Ham has re-ignited his greed ambition (presuming he didn't sign for Everton because they didn't meet his demands) and now he doesn't want to miss the chance of more money. The lack of ambition charge is an excuse for his change of heart from last summer, when he said he was grateful to Stoke for re-booting his career, and probably more a reaction to seeing what has happened at Everton then any belief West Ham are heading for the CL. The miss-information and "fake news" continues with reports today that West Ham have made third bids by some sites, and West will/are biding their time to make a third bid. We were always told never believe what you read in the paper, but with all the lies we keep being told about transfers/Brexit/General Election, even by organizations like the BBC and Sky, it is silly to believe anything nowadays until after it has happened, and even then we get all the lies about why it happened. If he thought we'd be doing what Everton are doing he's an idiot.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 16, 2017 22:54:19 GMT
He should have had a mint Euros and fucked off to the Toffeees for a gazillion, last season. Sure that was our plan. Hence Ramadan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2017 23:40:52 GMT
Sorry Kurt, but your boy and his brother are leaving for the money, and are publicly dragging our club's name through the mud while they do it. Our club took him in, and gave him the environment he needed to shed his 'reputation' and then gave him the security of a new deal as our highest paid player only last year. We as supporters have worshipped the guy and allowed for his 'Arnie-isms' week in week out, and he has turned around and kicked us right in the bollocks by demanding a move to another mid table club. Ambition doesn't come into it, don't start fooling yourself. There will be no understanding and forgiveness on his return; we don't take betrayal well! He will be left in no uncertain terms just how we feel about him from the second he steps off the West Ham team coach. Such a shame, I have fucking adored the bloke, but he's fucked with our club so he'll never be forgiven. Good comments. Reminds me of the last couple of blokes who public cited "lack of ambition - Begovich (that worked out well) and my own favorite traitor ..... Kavanagh. I still chuckle when I watch O'Connor score right through his legs! and then his reaction at the final whistle. As far as I'm concerned, Arnie stopped being my favorite player quite a few months back. Cheers Arnie, it was fun while it lasted, enjoy the trip downward! When did Bego question our ambition? He just said he wanted to play for a club who were challenging for trophies and higher up the league. What's wrong with that? He had the belief he could do that. He didn't succeed but he won shit in the process.
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