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Post by mattador78 on Jul 16, 2017 18:04:50 GMT
So to recap fuck alls happening because despite the the dildo bros and the sarlacc running the show they are tighter than a celibate gnats anus
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 18:04:57 GMT
I'm not happy about it and want him to stay, you do know some times shit happens right, players leave except it for what it is he wants more money and to move hardly unusual. He signed a new 4 year contract that he wants to now tear up when more money is in the offing.He has not shown one shred of loyalty to the club so us as fans will take that as a kick in the bollocks. If you think his mercenary behaviour is acceptable then that's up to you,i can assure you that you are in the minority and rightly so imo. So if we just sold him that OK but not the other way round ! You're right im in the minority I'm all grown up.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 16, 2017 18:08:59 GMT
Got to sell a few more dildo's and ass plugs to cover his agent fees!! No they can pay his agent in kind with the dildos and ass plugs. Just what he's good for!
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 16, 2017 18:09:22 GMT
He signed a new 4 year contract that he wants to now tear up when more money is in the offing.He has not shown one shred of loyalty to the club so us as fans will take that as a kick in the bollocks. If you think his mercenary behaviour is acceptable then that's up to you,i can assure you that you are in the minority and rightly so imo. So if we just sold him that OK but not the other way round ! You're right im in the minority I'm all grown up. But it isn't the other way round and that analogy doesn't fit does it.
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Post by moz on Jul 16, 2017 18:09:57 GMT
As I understand it Arnie has asked for a transfer due to the clubs lack of ambition? Correct me if I'm wrong.....but that's exactly what a great deal of posters have being voicing in the past month or so! And WHU is full of ambition, right?.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 16, 2017 18:14:07 GMT
Whilst I'm getting bored with this saga, this article does IMO shed some light in where Arni is coming from and that "lack of ambition" statement: www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/07/16/do-everton-fans-discuss-renewing-interest-in-stoke-citys-marko-a/Arni has seen how Everton and Stoke performed last season and the way Everton are now spending huge amounts and clearly feels he missed his opportunity last summer to jump ship and join them. It follows that interest being shown by West Ham has re-ignited his greed ambition (presuming he didn't sign for Everton because they didn't meet his demands) and now he doesn't want to miss the chance of more money. The lack of ambition charge is an excuse for his change of heart from last summer, when he said he was grateful to Stoke for re-booting his career, and probably more a reaction to seeing what has happened at Everton then any belief West Ham are heading for the CL. The miss-information and "fake news" continues with reports today that West Ham have made third bids by some sites, and West will/are biding their time to make a third bid. We were always told never believe what you read in the paper, but with all the lies we keep being told about transfers/Brexit/General Election, even by organizations like the BBC and Sky, it is silly to believe anything nowadays until after it has happened, and even then we get all the lies about why it happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 18:15:18 GMT
So if we just sold him that OK but not the other way round ! You're right im in the minority I'm all grown up. But it isn't the other way round and that analogy doesn't fit does it. Of course it does Stoke sell players every club sells players some ask to go some are told they are going ! If they dont want to leave they see out their contract if the club dont want them to leave they see out their contract simple really.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 16, 2017 18:19:23 GMT
could not care less if we sell arnie or imbula as long as we get the right price,fuck clubs trying buy our players on the cheap
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 16, 2017 18:36:57 GMT
As I understand it Arnie has asked for a transfer due to the clubs lack of ambition? Correct me if I'm wrong.....but that's exactly what a great deal of posters have being voicing in the past month or so! That is true, we have. But Marko Arnautovic states we lack ambition only to take a sideways move to West Ham. So he is also showing a lack of ambition and is going purely for the financial gains to be made. The reasoning from him was just a convenient excuse at the time to (poorly) mask his true intentions. So the anger directed towards him is purely because of the destination, not because he wants to move. If he were to go to a club like Milan, PSG, even Everton then we could understand but West Ham are no bigger a club than us (despite what their fans would have you believe).
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Post by Davef on Jul 16, 2017 18:43:50 GMT
As I understand it Arnie has asked for a transfer due to the clubs lack of ambition? Correct me if I'm wrong.....but that's exactly what a great deal of posters have being voicing in the past month or so! That is true, we have. But Marko Arnautovic states we lack ambition only to take a sideways move to West Ham. So he is also showing a lack of ambition and is going purely for the financial gains to be made. The reasoning from him was just a convenient excuse at the time to (poorly) mask his true intentions. So the anger directed towards him is purely because of the destination, not because he wants to move. If he were to go to a club like Milan, PSG, even Everton then we could understand but West Ham are no bigger a club than us (despite what their fans would have you believe). Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition?
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Post by poethebald on Jul 16, 2017 18:46:26 GMT
As I understand it Arnie has asked for a transfer due to the clubs lack of ambition? Correct me if I'm wrong.....but that's exactly what a great deal of posters have being voicing in the past month or so! That is true, we have. But Marko Arnautovic states we lack ambition only to take a sideways move to West Ham. So he is also showing a lack of ambition and is going purely for the financial gains to be made. The reasoning from him was just a convenient excuse at the time to (poorly) mask his true intentions. So the anger directed towards him is purely because of the destination, not because he wants to move. If he were to go to a club like Milan, PSG, even Everton then we could understand but West Ham are no bigger a club than us (despite what their fans would have you believe).[/quote He may well be angling for a move due to financial gain....however, it is difficult to argue with his statement that we lack ambition.I would also suspect that as a player at the club he will have a better idea of what's going on than any of us do!
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Post by poethebald on Jul 16, 2017 18:48:48 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 16, 2017 18:57:13 GMT
There's no evidence that he has said this other than the media quoting this as a reason when the news broke a week ago. Even his agent/brother hasn't been quoted as saying this. This is the same media that said Bruno was coming for a medical.... and then was signing for Palace.
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Post by poethebald on Jul 16, 2017 19:04:13 GMT
I think it's obvious that the club need to do more with regard to convincing our best players that we have ambition.At the moment they aren't even convincing the majority of us!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 19:11:12 GMT
I think it's obvious that the club need to do more with regard to convincing our best players that we have ambition. It's just been explained to you about "fake news". But you bumble on regardless ....
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 16, 2017 19:16:03 GMT
I think it's obvious that the club need to do more with regard to convincing our best players that we have ambition. It's just been explained to you about "fake news". But you bumble on regardless .... Zero investment , top player transfer request , loss if two of last years first team they aren't fake , take walters and arnies goals out of last seat and we would have been sunk .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 19:17:00 GMT
It's just been explained to you about "fake news". But you bumble on regardless .... Zero investment , top player transfer request , loss if two of last years first team they aren't fake , take walters and arnies goals out of last seat and we would have been sunk . shut up.
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Post by kurt on Jul 16, 2017 19:25:27 GMT
Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition? Perhaps during last season, when he has realized, that Mark Hughes is a manager with little ambition, who confuses poor performances with good ones, prefers playing grandads than expensive young players and who finallly has proven this season his tactical incompetence a bunch of times. In Addition he has not been able to integrate good signs and build up a strong team, especially on the forward position or the Nr. 10 role, which are very important for Arnis game. Think, these are the reasons why Arni is convincing a transfer.....not because of his brother or the money, as many people here complaining about I can understand the decision of a 28year old player who has the chance of a new challenge after that woeful season in a team, playing constantly a frustrating football.
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Post by poethebald on Jul 16, 2017 19:27:12 GMT
I think it's obvious that the club need to do more with regard to convincing our best players that we have ambition. It's just been explained to you about "fake news". But you bumble on regardless ....
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 16, 2017 19:30:42 GMT
Zero investment , top player transfer request , loss if two of last years first team  they aren't fake , take walters and arnies goals out of last seat and we would have been sunk . shut up. Don't think it's possible
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Post by poethebald on Jul 16, 2017 19:35:45 GMT
Oh dear....who do you think has more of an insight of what is going on at Stoke? Arnie an employee of the club....or Oatcake posters.Despite the protestations of he hasn't said that....oh look, he has put in a transfer request and our clubs signings have hardly been inspired
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 16, 2017 19:39:36 GMT
But it isn't the other way round and that analogy doesn't fit does it. Of course it does Stoke sell players every club sells players some ask to go some are told they are going ! If they dont want to leave they see out their contract if the club dont want them to leave they see out their contract simple really. How many Stoke players have in our premier league era asked for a transfer citing we lack ambition? When in fact they want to leave to get more money and are trying to deflect the blame on to the club. For somebody who is all grown up you are incredibly naive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 19:40:46 GMT
Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition? Perhaps during last season, when he has realized, that Mark Hughes is a manager with little ambition, who confuses poor performances with good ones, prefers playing grandads than expensive young players and who finallly has proven this season his tactical incompetence a bunch of times. In Addition he has not been able to integrate good signs and build up a strong team, especially on the forward position or the Nr. 10 role, which are very important for Arnis game. Think, these are the reasons why Arni is convincing a transfer.....not because of his brother or the money, as many people here complaining about I can understand the decision of a 28year old player who has the chance of a new challenge after that woeful season in a team, playing constantly a frustrating football. Try and sugarcoat it all you like, he is leaving for the money.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 16, 2017 19:42:29 GMT
It's just been explained to you about "fake news". But you bumble on regardless .... Zero investment , top player transfer request , loss if two of last years first team they aren't fake , take walters and arnies goals out of last seat and we would have been sunk . Well this is a load of fucking nonsense. Take Arnies 6 league goals away and we would have dropped 4pts... Sunderland away and Boro home would have been draws not wins. Take Walters' 4 league goals away and we wouldn't have dropped any points. So, we would have finished on 40pts not 44, 6 clear of relegation. You're welcome.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 16, 2017 19:43:27 GMT
Where are you from again, Kurt?
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Post by kurt on Jul 16, 2017 19:51:22 GMT
Where are you from again, Kurt? From Austria. @sorensen82 : No. We have turned from an excellent team, which we was in November/December 2015 to a bad team 2017 and thats the reason why Arni wants to leave.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 16, 2017 19:52:28 GMT
That is true, we have. But Marko Arnautovic states we lack ambition only to take a sideways move to West Ham. So he is also showing a lack of ambition and is going purely for the financial gains to be made. The reasoning from him was just a convenient excuse at the time to (poorly) mask his true intentions. So the anger directed towards him is purely because of the destination, not because he wants to move. If he were to go to a club like Milan, PSG, even Everton then we could understand but West Ham are no bigger a club than us (despite what their fans would have you believe). Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition? There was never a direct quote but that was the reasoning given when he submitted his transfer request as per Sky Sports News (not that they have shown themselves to be particularly reliable this window).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 19:53:30 GMT
Where are you from again, Kurt? From Austria. @sorensen82: No. We have turned down from an excellent team, which we was in November/December 2015 to a bad team 2017 and thats the reason why Arni wants to leave. He wants to leave because another team wants to pay him more money. He's a mercenary.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 16, 2017 19:53:37 GMT
That is true, we have. But Marko Arnautovic states we lack ambition only to take a sideways move to West Ham. So he is also showing a lack of ambition and is going purely for the financial gains to be made. The reasoning from him was just a convenient excuse at the time to (poorly) mask his true intentions. So the anger directed towards him is purely because of the destination, not because he wants to move. If he were to go to a club like Milan, PSG, even Everton then we could understand but West Ham are no bigger a club than us (despite what their fans would have you believe). Again, when has Marko Arnautovic stated that we lack ambition? He hasn't, but we do.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 16, 2017 19:54:49 GMT
I agree that we lack ambition, nobody has ever disputed that as it is fairly obvious to all concerned that that happens to be the case. But to take such a sideways move to West Ham and then lie about your reasoning is quite frankly disrespectful to the club, the supporters, his teammates and the man who saved his career, Mark Hughes.
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