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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 13:26:27 GMT
Sobhi has been in my starting eleven for the coming season all summer
with Arnie moved over to accommodate
now Arnie needs to truly move
but, for a value reflecting the current market value - (which is stupid I know)
and - £25m to my eyes is about £5-10 million below his true worth right now
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 16, 2017 13:31:25 GMT
How is Kyle Walker relevant? He is indicative of the inflated state of the transfer market. Last season's prices are now history. This season's fees are relevant. Last year Spurs would have done well to get £25M for Walker. The market is mad. Buyers have to pay what sellers want or search elsewhere. Man City were unable to do a deal for Dani Alvez and as a consequence were forced to pay a huge fee for Walker. WHU should be given the same choice; do what it takes to complete a deal or look elsewhere. We should not accept anything less than what appears to be a mental fee, after all Arnie is contracted to our club for a long time and we do not need money to survive. It's only indicative of man cities money no object transfer policy and trying to do a deal with Daniel levy
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 16, 2017 13:42:53 GMT
He is indicative of the inflated state of the transfer market. Last season's prices are now history. This season's fees are relevant. Last year Spurs would have done well to get £25M for Walker. The market is mad. Buyers have to pay what sellers want or search elsewhere. Man City were unable to do a deal for Dani Alvez and as a consequence were forced to pay a huge fee for Walker. WHU should be given the same choice; do what it takes to complete a deal or look elsewhere. We should not accept anything less than what appears to be a mental fee, after all Arnie is contracted to our club for a long time and we do not need money to survive. It's only indicative of man cities money no object transfer policy and trying to do a deal with Daniel levy Man City's money is a factor as is Levy's determination to get the very best price when selling assets of his business. WHU play in the world's wealthiest league. They have a huge, heavily subsidised, stadium which they fill most weeks. They have plenty of money to spend on players they really want. If they want Arnie they should be forced to pay what we want to receive, not what they want to pay.
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Post by slicko on Jul 16, 2017 13:46:28 GMT
He'll need to invest in a PR person if he ever intends playing for us in the future.
It's a fairly unforgivable act unless he provides evidence for the lack of ambition claim. He and his agent brother are disingenuously chasing the coin.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 16, 2017 13:47:00 GMT
It's only indicative of man cities money no object transfer policy and trying to do a deal with Daniel levy Man City's money is a factor as is Levy's determination to get the very best price when selling assets of his business. WHU play in the world's wealthiest league. They have a huge, heavily subsidised, stadium which they fill most weeks. They have plenty of money to spend on players they really want. If they want Arnie they should be forced to pay what we want to receive, not what they want to pay. Of course I agree with you , I was just talking about Walkers inflated fee
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 16, 2017 13:47:16 GMT
For what its worth i would let him go with a smile & tell him what a complete tit he is going to make of himself. West Ham are no better than us they have a manager who from all accounts was on thin ice last season & a poor start could see him out the door. London & its bright lights may look dazzling but i would very much live in leafy Cheshire than down there. And lets see how they react to one of his sulks & temper tantrums when things do not go his way. He is no Payet by a long chalk which i think they are trying to replace so good luck Arnie but your making a huge mistake sunshine & remember who signed you when nobody else would touch you we gave you that chance & made you a better player. The bright lights of London shouldn't be attracting someone with a small family... Obviously he is putting his family first, after all....how the fuck anyone is supposed to be expected to survive on £70 grand a week is beyond me???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 13:48:14 GMT
Just to let you know, I'm staying quiet on the Arnie front. Lost for words!
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Post by mrred on Jul 16, 2017 13:52:22 GMT
He'll need to invest in a PR person if he ever intends playing for us in the future. It's a fairly unforgivable act unless he provides evidence for the lack of ambition claim. He and his agent brother are disingenuously chasing the coin. I think it's pretty far beyond that, I hope he gets nothing but vitriol if he plays for us again. His brothers statement shows just what a pair of slimy wankers they both are. They and West Ham were made for each other.
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Post by trigger on Jul 16, 2017 13:58:04 GMT
Shell suit is well and truly on. People get upset when I talk like this - you see I live and work with fans of big City clubs - and I want Stoke City to finally change its mentality to become another truly 'big city club'. It irks me greatly though when the club and its fans regularly talk themselves down and seem happy to settle for second best. e.g. It took an absolute bloody age to finally shove a few bloody seats in one corner to at least, make the stadium look finished off for worldwide TV (shouldve been done years ago - and wouldve cost much less than right now_) The angst - the endless debating - the procrastination by the football club whose income was rising exponentially year on year whilst they stalled - the endless gnashing of teeth over something so bleeding obvious, it was painful to witness. Finally, its been done and - not before time Now we come to our star player wanting to leave So we transfer this, our prize asset - something we need to realize to the highest extent in monetary terms in the current market so - what do we do ? WE OURSELVES start talking numbers that actually bear little resemblance to his actual worth ? Where a fucking left back has just gone for fifty fucking million - with about as much talent as Arnie has in his toenail pairings !!!! Still, Im sure --we know our place !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Walker is a far better player than Arnie. Arnie is great.. up to a point. He won't succeed at West Ham. Irrespective of numbers he's burnt his bridges.sell him and promote Ramadan who we can all (apart from Benji) see is a special talent. By all means get another winger in as well but defenders are priority. I'd say Walker is nowhere near as good as Arnie, completely different roles. The things Arnie can do with a ball are breathtaking at times, Walker just runs up and down alot. 50m is an absolute ridiculous amount of money for a RB and to add insult to injury, what is it 100m for him and stones it's as funny as hell that the club owners sanction such moves.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 16, 2017 13:58:07 GMT
He'll need to invest in a PR person if he ever intends playing for us in the future. It's a fairly unforgivable act unless he provides evidence for the lack of ambition claim. He and his agent brother are disingenuously chasing the coin. I think it's pretty far beyond that, I hope he gets nothing but vitriol if he plays for us again. His brothers statement shows just what a pair of slimy wankers they both are. They and West Ham were made for each other. Agents are slimy fuckers anyhow....they're only out to line their own pockets, continually looking for pay days, whether it turns out to be a bad move or not.... Arnie's brother is no different...he's obviously had a word in Arnie's ear, and made it all sound cushy!!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 16, 2017 14:07:47 GMT
Well we'll see shortly won't we. Although I'm a bit perplexed by this new message board rule where only cast iron facts can be discussed! Should make things errr interesting! There's nothing wrong with discussing speculation. What is wrong is the insults and abuse directed at people over something that hasn't even happened. Lots of stuff has happened over several years. People are at breaking point.
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2017 14:09:45 GMT
Sobhi has been in my starting eleven for the coming season all summer with Arnie moved over to accommodate now Arnie needs to truly move but, for a value reflecting the current market value - (which is stupid I know) and - £25m to my eyes is about £5-10 million below his true worth right now Don't forget we don't have to the player anything as part of any deal as he has handed a transfer request. That shaves about £5m off.
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Post by adi on Jul 16, 2017 14:17:40 GMT
Think he's goin for 22.5mil but seen that we wanted 30mil somewhere so who knows
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2017 14:20:25 GMT
Comparing Walker to Arnie in footballing terms is absurd, completely different positions which require a completely different skill set. To put it simply, if Walkers wasn't quick he'd be below average as a footballer, his athletiscm is by far his greatest quality. At least Arnie has technical qualities tbf to him.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 16, 2017 14:21:23 GMT
Comparing Walkers to Arnie in footballing terms is absurd, completely different positions which require a completely different skill set. To put it simply, if Walkers wasn't quick he'd be below average as a footballer, his athletiscm is by far his greatest quality. At least Arnie has technical qualities tbf to him. He's a bit cheesy (and onion) though.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2017 14:22:38 GMT
Comparing Walkers to Arnie in footballing terms is absurd, completely different positions which require a completely different skill set. To put it simply, if Walkers wasn't quick he'd be below average as a footballer, his athletiscm is by far his greatest quality. At least Arnie has technical qualities tbf to him. He's a bit cheesy (and onion) though. Thanks for highlighting that for me, greatly appreciated.
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Post by stantheman on Jul 16, 2017 14:23:06 GMT
I'm not into Instagram/Twitter and all that other nonsense, but one of my Sons is. He tells me that Arnie is getting mountains of abuse from Stoke fans, and that he's done the unthinkable - he's stopped posting stupid pictures of himself doing stupid things since the West Ham story broke.
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Post by bhp on Jul 16, 2017 14:30:18 GMT
How is Kyle Walker relevant? He is indicative of the inflated state of the transfer market. Last season's prices are now history. This season's fees are relevant. Last year Spurs would have done well to get £25M for Walker. The market is mad. Buyers have to pay what sellers want or search elsewhere. Man City were unable to do a deal for Dani Alvez and as a consequence were forced to pay a huge fee for Walker. WHU should be given the same choice; do what it takes to complete a deal or look elsewhere. We should not accept anything less than what appears to be a mental fee, after all Arnie is contracted to our club for a long time and we do not need money to survive. I don't see why you'require surprised that the leagues best right back for at least 2 seasons and is an established England international has gone for £50+m. Last season if Spurs sold him he would have gone for around £40m, not a massive increase given he's had another class season, that's without the consideration of increased prices like you say. Could have used a better example but like I said he's the leagues best right back has gone for a lot of money from the best team in the league (over the past 2 seasons) who hasn't requested a move away and is moving to one of the richest clubs in the world will obviously go for a lot of money. But in our case is a player who's inconsistent, wants to leave and is most likely going to another mid table club going to command a fee larger than £25? I don't think so.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 16, 2017 14:32:38 GMT
I'm not into Instagram/Twitter and all that other nonsense, but one of my Sons is. He tells me that Arnie is getting mountains of abuse from Stoke fans, and that he's done the unthinkable - he's stopped posting stupid pictures of himself doing stupid things since the West Ham story broke. Some people need to grow up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 14:35:17 GMT
Shell suit is well and truly on. People get upset when I talk like this - you see I live and work with fans of big City clubs - and I want Stoke City to finally change its mentality to become another truly 'big city club'. It irks me greatly though when the club and its fans regularly talk themselves down and seem happy to settle for second best. e.g. It took an absolute bloody age to finally shove a few bloody seats in one corner to at least, make the stadium look finished off for worldwide TV (shouldve been done years ago - and wouldve cost much less than right now_) The angst - the endless debating - the procrastination by the football club whose income was rising exponentially year on year whilst they stalled - the endless gnashing of teeth over something so bleeding obvious, it was painful to witness. Finally, its been done and - not before time Now we come to our star player wanting to leave So we transfer this, our prize asset - something we need to realize to the highest extent in monetary terms in the current market so - what do we do ? WE OURSELVES start talking numbers that actually bear little resemblance to his actual worth ? Where a fucking left back has just gone for fifty fucking million - with about as much talent as Arnie has in his toenail pairings !!!! Still, Im sure --we know our place !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're wearing a shell suit, are you a scouser?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 14:37:32 GMT
I'm sure all the love shown to him is this thread will help in his decision to stay 🤔
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2017 14:40:18 GMT
He's not stupid, he knew the moment he gave the transfer request in and he let his gobshite brother speak publicly he'd be getting abused, no sympathy with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 14:42:53 GMT
He's not stupid, he knew the moment he gave the transfer request in and he let his gobshite brother speak publicly he'd be getting abused, no sympathy with him. Why though what exactly has he done wrong ?
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Post by Cartman on Jul 16, 2017 14:43:43 GMT
Liked Arnie since he signed from Bremen + his footballing ability at times, but how this has been treated by himself & his brother is absurd. Clearly shows he never actually gave a shit about the fans here.
Arrogant, Ungrateful & deserves all the abuse he gets. Typical modern day footballer.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 16, 2017 14:45:07 GMT
He's not stupid, he knew the moment he gave the transfer request in and he let his gobshite brother speak publicly he'd be getting abused, no sympathy with him. Why though what exactly has he done wrong ? Wanting to leave the club enough to put in a transfer request because of a 'lack of ambition' then taking a sideways move?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 14:46:38 GMT
Liked Arnie since he signed from Bremen + his footballing ability at times, but how this has been treated by himself & his brother is absurd. Clearly shows he never actually gave a shit about the fans here. Arrogant, Ungrateful & deserves all the abuse he gets. Typical modern day footballer. Who does give a shit in this side ? They are employees we are fans they are paid to do a job not fall in love. The likes of Ryan are few and far between.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 16, 2017 14:47:37 GMT
He's not stupid, he knew the moment he gave the transfer request in and he let his gobshite brother speak publicly he'd be getting abused, no sympathy with him. Why though what exactly has he done wrong ? Used lack of ambition as a excuse and then looks to sign for West Ham Pretty much sums up why most are slightly pissed off
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 14:47:47 GMT
Why though what exactly has he done wrong ? Wanting to leave the club enough to put in a transfer request because of a 'lack of ambition' then taking a sideways move? Crikey that bad hey hang the fucker 😋
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 16, 2017 14:48:51 GMT
Wanting to leave the club enough to put in a transfer request because of a 'lack of ambition' then taking a sideways move? Crikey that bad hey hang the fucker 😋 Do you honestly expect us to be happy about it?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2017 14:50:37 GMT
I ain't getting into a slanging match about it, if you feel like defending the snake go ahead, I cba to deal with you.
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