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Post by thebet365 on Jul 12, 2017 9:29:50 GMT
No like I've already said, the shit football we've been playing for well over 12 months, the contracts being handed out to players that have seen their best years, the free signing of a 33 year old defensive midfielder. That would be enough to turn my head. What about the shit football West Ham have been playing for 12 months? NONE of anything you've mentioned there is to do with why he's put in a transfer request. We could have signed Delph, Bruno, Zouma and another striker by now and he would still be wanting out. Why? He's been offered more money pure and simple. Footballer in wanting more money shock!! My point is I can't get angry with him about it.
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Post by boscfc on Jul 12, 2017 9:30:01 GMT
Like all of us you don't know the full story, what was agreed, what's lost in translation etc. but I agree it looks bad. I just don't understand why anyone gets so upset by it. Bloke wants more money to secure his families future - isn't that what we all want? He can go as long as we get a good deal. For me he can stay as well, I really don't care as long as he produces on the pitch. It's do with respect Pugs. Absolutely nothing wrong with a player wanting to improve his lot but we gave him the security of a huge contract just 12 months ago and you don't then turn around and attempt to weaken our negotiating hand with the antics they're trying to pull at the moment. It just shows complete contempt for Stoke City football club. Spot on.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:30:07 GMT
Ah right so Arnie has absolutely no say over who represents him then? THEY (and that's the important bit) are treating our club with complete and utter contempt and they BOTH should be afforded the same from us when the the appropriate time arises. Did I say that? I'm saying it is clear that Arnie's brother is a huge influence over the decision making process. For all we know, it really wouldn't surprise me if Arnie's brother said to him "stand over the other side of the pitch away from your team mates, making sure all the cameras catch you acting like a petulant cock" on Monday afternoon. That wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary. It was Beckham's agent who told him to keep a beany hat on at training after shaving his head, so he could do a big reveal afterwards in front of the press. The 'transfer injury', as I call it, is probably down to Arnie himself, but it's quite clear that his brother is doing a lot more of the donkey work than Arnie in this. I think Arnie is to some degree following orders, while perhaps chasing the paper. Granted but at the end of the day it's the player who signs the contract. I'm sorry but I don't buy this "a big boy made me do it" stuff. If Arnie wants to delegate his career to his agent then Arnie deserves all he gets. Delegating your career to an agent is what 97% of footballers do these days? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-agents-manipulative-groom-players-2255473I can't think of a single football player in many years who hasn't had an agent.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 12, 2017 9:32:57 GMT
Charlie saying that Arnie "wants to look after his family" is basically saying he's in it for the money not the ambition and if someone who earned over 3 million last year can't support his family it shows what a pathetic bubble these some of these players live in (Arnie, not Charlie). Worse is Arnie's brother though: “But now the time has come to say goodbye and we want to do it in a nice way. When we re-signed last year the club promised they will not stand in his way if he one day wanted to leave. This day is now here.” What's this "we" business? Arnie's brother didn't sign the contract to play, all he does is stand to make a lot of money every time his brother signs one. Arnie's brother is obviously an absolute leech but Arnie has also gone down massively in my estimation over this. I hoped he was a little bit more than your average money grabbing footballer but more than that, I hoped that when he left he would leave gracefully and for footballing reasons (like Nzonzi) or to move back to mainland Europe and that he would leave us as a modern day Stoke legend. As it is, it sounds like he'll make his big money sideways/backwards move and sadly end his career as a talented footballer who never really fulfilled his enormous potential and if he's remembered at all it will be with disdain my Stoke fans and as another spoiled mardy brat who could have won trophies if he hadn't spent his time kicking around mid table European clubs causing trouble and trying to get as rich as possible. Meanwhile, Stoke City FC will take that 20 or so million (a very tidy profit), hopefully spend it wisely (yeah, I know, but at least some will be going towards the BMI purchase and then hopefully Delph too), continue to develop Ramandan, who I also believe can be a genuinely great player, and get on with life with out Arnie. Out of the 155 years our club has been here Arnie has been with us for four. I think we'll be just fine. Frankly a shit post and reeks of jealousy. Like any other business people move on. We've brought him for peanuts and will be making massive profit on him. Why on earth people have to get so shitty is beyond me. I can assure you I'm not remotely jealous, Pugs. I'm just pissed off because I just can't stand the greed that has come with the modern game and I'm disappointed that Arnie, who I very much like and thought was happy here would choose to leave for money and not footballing reasons (I wouldn't blame him one bit if he was moving to further his career or even just a new challenge). I'm not sure how any of that was "shitty". He IS behaving like a mard-arse, or at least he's allowing his brother to on his behalf. And before you ask, no I'm not one of those people who thinks he's a lazy mardy brat on the pitch, but as I said he's certainly behaving like one now with his dubious injury and his brother talking to the press. Yes, football is a business but it's become more and more cut-throat and money oriented and that saddens me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:34:03 GMT
Ah right so Arnie has absolutely no say over who represents him then? THEY (and that's the important bit) are treating our club with complete and utter contempt and they BOTH should be afforded the same from us when the the appropriate time arises. Did I say that? I'm saying it is clear that Arnie's brother is a huge influence over the decision making process. For all we know, it really wouldn't surprise me if Arnie's brother said to him "stand over the other side of the pitch away from your team mates, making sure all the cameras catch you acting like a petulant cock" on Monday afternoon. That wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary. It was Beckham's agent who told him to keep a beany hat on at training after shaving his head, so he could do a big reveal afterwards in front of the press. The 'transfer injury', as I call it, is probably down to Arnie himself, but it's quite clear that his brother is doing a lot more of the donkey work than Arnie in this. I think Arnie is to some degree following orders, while perhaps chasing the paper. Granted but at the end of the day it's the player who signs the contract. I'm sorry but I don't buy this "a big boy made me do it" stuff. If Arnie wants to delegate his career to his agent then Arnie deserves all he gets. Delegating your career to an agent is what 97% of footballers do these days? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-agents-manipulative-groom-players-2255473I can't think of a single football player in many years who hasn't had an agent. Paul Scholes
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Post by madnellie on Jul 12, 2017 9:35:50 GMT
Charlie saying that Arnie "wants to look after his family" is basically saying he's in it for the money not the ambition and if someone who earned over 3 million last year can't support his family it shows what a pathetic bubble these some of these players live in (Arnie, not Charlie). Worse is Arnie's brother though: “But now the time has come to say goodbye and we want to do it in a nice way. When we re-signed last year the club promised they will not stand in his way if he one day wanted to leave. This day is now here.” What's this "we" business? Arnie's brother didn't sign the contract to play, all he does is stand to make a lot of money every time his brother signs one. Arnie's brother is obviously an absolute leech but Arnie has also gone down massively in my estimation over this. I hoped he was a little bit more than your average money grabbing footballer but more than that, I hoped that when he left he would leave gracefully and for footballing reasons (like Nzonzi) or to move back to mainland Europe and that he would leave us as a modern day Stoke legend. As it is, it sounds like he'll make his big money sideways/backwards move and sadly end his career as a talented footballer who never really fulfilled his enormous potential and if he's remembered at all it will be with disdain my Stoke fans and as another spoiled mardy brat who could have won trophies if he hadn't spent his time kicking around mid table European clubs causing trouble and trying to get as rich as possible. Meanwhile, Stoke City FC will take that 20 or so million (a very tidy profit), hopefully spend it wisely (yeah, I know, but at least some will be going towards the BMI purchase and then hopefully Delph too), continue to develop Ramandan, who I also believe can be a genuinely great player, and get on with life with out Arnie. Out of the 155 years our club has been here Arnie has been with us for four. I think we'll be just fine. Good post Any link to what Charlie has said? Here you go Stan... be warned though, it's a Sentinel link, ad-blocker at the ready! www.stokesentinel.co.uk/charlie-adam-expects-stoke-to-put-up-fight-for-marko-arnautovic/story-30434622-detail/story.html
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:36:32 GMT
Do you chuck your brother a portion of your wages then? If he's in dire need of money, which is what you were suggesting, I'd help a family member out as best I could, yeah. I wouldn't let them dictate my life otherwise though, and I don't think Arnie does either. Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility that he's the driving force here? Well for one, Arnie hasn't actually said anything. If Arnie actually came out and said "Hello this is Marko, I want to leave Stoke. I love the fans but the A500 is a pile of shit, and the training ground is inexplicably located behind a weird housing estate and the ground is kind of small and I'm just not that keen on Mark Hughes and I suppose West Ham are offering like 120k a week which is always nice too" then yeah, I might be tempted. Arnie has been basically silent on this. We've all assumed he's making these big arse statements, but it's his brother doing the talking. His brother is representing the 'collective' opinion of both of them. Is he representing what Arnie actually wants? Probably not. Arnie's interest might just be earning as much money as possible. It might be possible to do that at Stoke, but that doesn't involve his brother earning a truck load as well.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 12, 2017 9:38:06 GMT
Rumoured Leicester are in for James McCarthy at £20m, let that sink sink those of you who would be happy with receiving the same amount for Arnie.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:38:21 GMT
What about the shit football West Ham have been playing for 12 months? NONE of anything you've mentioned there is to do with why he's put in a transfer request. We could have signed Delph, Bruno, Zouma and another striker by now and he would still be wanting out. Why? He's been offered more money pure and simple. Footballer in wanting more money shock!! My point is I can't get angry with him about it. That wasn't the point of your post that I replied to. Which was that you thought Arnie wanted to leave because of a lack of ambition from us.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jul 12, 2017 9:39:07 GMT
You have to be really old to get this joke! You may be really old, as your posts often suggest, but I am just old.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 12, 2017 9:39:53 GMT
If he's in dire need of money, which is what you were suggesting, I'd help a family member out as best I could, yeah. I wouldn't let them dictate my life otherwise though, and I don't think Arnie does either. Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility that he's the driving force here? and the training ground is inexplicably located behind a weird housing estate Oy!! what's weird about my housing estate ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 9:41:39 GMT
If he's in dire need of money, which is what you were suggesting, I'd help a family member out as best I could, yeah. I wouldn't let them dictate my life otherwise though, and I don't think Arnie does either. Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility that he's the driving force here? Well for one, Arnie hasn't actually said anything. If Arnie actually came out and said "Hello this is Marko, I want to leave Stoke. I love the fans but the A500 is a pile of shit, and the training ground is inexplicably located behind a weird housing estate and the ground is kind of small and I'm just not that keen on Mark Hughes and I suppose West Ham are offering like 120k a week which is always nice too" then yeah, I might be tempted. Arnie has been basically silent on this. We've all assumed he's making these big arse statements, but it's his brother doing the talking. His brother is representing the 'collective' opinion of both of them. Is he representing what Arnie actually wants? Probably not. Arnie's interest might just be earning as much money as possible. It might be possible to do that at Stoke, but that doesn't involve his brother earning a truck load as well. He hasn't said anything publicly, but he's handed in a written transfer request. Nobody was holding a gun to his head making him do that. He clearly has been given the impression he can earn more there than he can here. If there's nothing in it for him, I highly doubt he'd go through this purely out of benevolence for his parasite brother.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:46:08 GMT
and the training ground is inexplicably located behind a weird housing estate Oy!! what's weird about my housing estate ? Nothing specifically!! It's just a weird place to have a training pitch for professional footballers I've kicked a hornets nest here
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 12, 2017 9:46:58 GMT
Footballer in wanting more money shock!! My point is I can't get angry with him about it. That wasn't the point of your post that I replied to. My original post was that I don't blame him. I got questioned about why West Ham are much better, So I pointed out it's not the West Ham being better is us going backwards. If us fans are pissed off with things at the moment how can we expect our better players to stay if there's more money on offer elsewhere ? That contract he signed last year wasn't just security for him, it's secured us a transfer fee, he'd of left for free without it.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 12, 2017 9:47:17 GMT
Like all of us you don't know the full story, what was agreed, what's lost in translation etc. but I agree it looks bad. I just don't understand why anyone gets so upset by it. Bloke wants more money to secure his families future - isn't that what we all want? He can go as long as we get a good deal. For me he can stay as well, I really don't care as long as he produces on the pitch. It's do with respect Pugs. Absolutely nothing wrong with a player wanting to improve his lot but we gave him the security of a huge contract just 12 months ago and you don't then turn around and attempt to weaken our negotiating hand with the antics they're trying to pull at the moment. It just shows complete contempt for Stoke City football club. My thoughts too, Paul. I'm not upset by it, just miffed and disappointed at the lack of respect shown to a club that he signed a new contract for just one year ago. Surely his family's future is already secure, he should already be set up for life unless there some background stuff we don't know about (for example when Ethers lost all his to gambling debts). Plus, I like the guy and I really thought he would use us as a step up and go on to a regular Europa League club at least. Yes, we've been grim the past season but West Ham are no better, they're just willing to spend more.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:47:49 GMT
Ah right so Arnie has absolutely no say over who represents him then? THEY (and that's the important bit) are treating our club with complete and utter contempt and they BOTH should be afforded the same from us when the the appropriate time arises. Did I say that? I'm saying it is clear that Arnie's brother is a huge influence over the decision making process. For all we know, it really wouldn't surprise me if Arnie's brother said to him "stand over the other side of the pitch away from your team mates, making sure all the cameras catch you acting like a petulant cock" on Monday afternoon. That wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary. It was Beckham's agent who told him to keep a beany hat on at training after shaving his head, so he could do a big reveal afterwards in front of the press. The 'transfer injury', as I call it, is probably down to Arnie himself, but it's quite clear that his brother is doing a lot more of the donkey work than Arnie in this. I think Arnie is to some degree following orders, while perhaps chasing the paper. Granted but at the end of the day it's the player who signs the contract. I'm sorry but I don't buy this "a big boy made me do it" stuff. If Arnie wants to delegate his career to his agent then Arnie deserves all he gets. Delegating your career to an agent is what 97% of footballers do these days? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-agents-manipulative-groom-players-2255473I can't think of a single football player in many years who hasn't had an agent. He doesn't HAVE to have this agent though does he? If Arnie isn't happy with how he REPRESENTS (and this is a very important word) him, then he can tell him to stop, or replace him. The very fact that Arnie is happy for him to represent his wishes in this way makes him culpable.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:49:44 GMT
Did I say that? I'm saying it is clear that Arnie's brother is a huge influence over the decision making process. For all we know, it really wouldn't surprise me if Arnie's brother said to him "stand over the other side of the pitch away from your team mates, making sure all the cameras catch you acting like a petulant cock" on Monday afternoon. That wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary. It was Beckham's agent who told him to keep a beany hat on at training after shaving his head, so he could do a big reveal afterwards in front of the press. The 'transfer injury', as I call it, is probably down to Arnie himself, but it's quite clear that his brother is doing a lot more of the donkey work than Arnie in this. I think Arnie is to some degree following orders, while perhaps chasing the paper. Delegating your career to an agent is what 97% of footballers do these days? www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-agents-manipulative-groom-players-2255473I can't think of a single football player in many years who hasn't had an agent. He doesn't HAVE to have this agent though does he? If Arnie isn't happy with how he REPRESENTS (and this is a very important word) him, then he can tell him to stop, or replace him. The very fact that Arnie is happy for him to represent his wishes in this way makes him culpable. Is Arnie really smart enough to represent himself?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:50:44 GMT
That wasn't the point of your post that I replied to. My original post was that I don't blame him. I got questioned about why West Ham are much better, So I pointed out it's not the West Ham being better is us going backwards. If us fans are pissed off with things at the moment how can we expect our better players to stay if there's more money on offer elsewhere ? That contract he signed last year wasn't just security for him, it's secured us a transfer fee, he'd of left for free without it. I don't blame him for wanting his improve his lot but I sure as hell can blame him for the way he's going about it.
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Post by philb on Jul 12, 2017 9:52:05 GMT
What about the shit football West Ham have been playing for 12 months? NONE of anything you've mentioned there is to do with why he's put in a transfer request. We could have signed Delph, Bruno, Zouma and another striker by now and he would still be wanting out. Why? He's been offered more money pure and simple. Exactly. Its a job. He wants to move to another job where he gets paid more. Sometimes its difficult to comprehend as a fan because we love the club. Its in our blood. Its not in his, he might have enjoyed his time playing in the red and white but he'll move at the drop of a hat for more money. And also his dirty mouthed brother is after a slice of the pie. I did always think he would move up though, to a team on the next level. Disappointing but thats life. The thing is it's a totally different scenario to one of us changing our job for more money. Yes he has to make a living in a short career but he's in an entertainment industry that pays him handsomely and where he is adored by thousands. That's what makes it different from 'normal' people with 'normal' jobs.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:53:17 GMT
He doesn't HAVE to have this agent though does he? If Arnie isn't happy with how he REPRESENTS (and this is a very important word) him, then he can tell him to stop, or replace him. The very fact that Arnie is happy for him to represent his wishes in this way makes him culpable. Is Arnie really smart enough to represent himself? I didn't say he needs to be smart enough to represent himself did I? He only needs to be smart enough to employ an agent that wants what he wants and I'm assuming he's capable of doing that.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 12, 2017 9:55:14 GMT
Maybe if he was a smart enough agent he could of insisted of a minimum fee release clause in Arnies new contract rather than concentrating on lining his own pockets and now moaning because we don't want to sell him
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 12, 2017 9:55:14 GMT
We have been through this before with a relative representing a player. The last one ended in tears. If he really wants to go we should set a realistic price (min £25m, plus resale clause) and let him.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 12, 2017 9:55:41 GMT
Charlie saying that Arnie "wants to look after his family" is basically saying he's in it for the money not the ambition and if someone who earned over 3 million last year can't support his family it shows what a pathetic bubble these some of these players live in (Arnie, not Charlie). Worse is Arnie's brother though: “But now the time has come to say goodbye and we want to do it in a nice way. When we re-signed last year the club promised they will not stand in his way if he one day wanted to leave. This day is now here.” What's this "we" business? Arnie's brother didn't sign the contract to play, all he does is stand to make a lot of money every time his brother signs one. Arnie's brother is obviously an absolute leech but Arnie has also gone down massively in my estimation over this. I hoped he was a little bit more than your average money grabbing footballer but more than that, I hoped that when he left he would leave gracefully and for footballing reasons (like Nzonzi) or to move back to mainland Europe and that he would leave us as a modern day Stoke legend. As it is, it sounds like he'll make his big money sideways/backwards move and sadly end his career as a talented footballer who never really fulfilled his enormous potential and if he's remembered at all it will be with disdain my Stoke fans and as another spoiled mardy brat who could have won trophies if he hadn't spent his time kicking around mid table European clubs causing trouble and trying to get as rich as possible. Meanwhile, Stoke City FC will take that 20 or so million (a very tidy profit), hopefully spend it wisely (yeah, I know, but at least some will be going towards the BMI purchase and then hopefully Delph too), continue to develop Ramandan, who I also believe can be a genuinely great player, and get on with life with out Arnie. Out of the 155 years our club has been here Arnie has been with us for four. I think we'll be just fine. I guess Arnie and his representatives would say that if he is going to play for mid table clubs (and if that's all that's on offer that's what he has to do) he needs to get paid as much as he can for doing it. Let's be honest the chance of trophy winning 'glory' is a bit remote if he stays here - it only comes round about once in every 150 years! Not saying it's a great attitude , and personally I would stay where I was if the family were happy and I was enjoying my work and getting paid very well, but it's not all that surprising. You're not wrong mate. My problem is that I think like you and would stay put too, I'm just not a money oriented person so I find it hard to get my head around behaving this way to make more, when you already have much more than you need. Although when you put it like that West Ham definitely have a much better trophy return so maybe it IS all about ambition after all
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 12, 2017 10:00:10 GMT
Exactly. Its a job. He wants to move to another job where he gets paid more. Sometimes its difficult to comprehend as a fan because we love the club. Its in our blood. Its not in his, he might have enjoyed his time playing in the red and white but he'll move at the drop of a hat for more money. And also his dirty mouthed brother is after a slice of the pie. I did always think he would move up though, to a team on the next level. Disappointing but thats life. The thing is it's a totally different scenario to one of us changing our job for more money. Yes he has to make a living in a short career but he's in an entertainment industry that pays him handsomely and where he is adored by thousands. That's what makes it different from 'normal' people with 'normal' jobs. Well yeah there is that mate. Is this transfer request that irks me the most. Unless there is something we don't know and the club are standing in his way of a move to madrid or something. Pushing for a move to west ham, making waves and all this shit with his brother. Its money. Different money to what the everyday person earns but still its there.
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Post by RAF on Jul 12, 2017 10:01:27 GMT
Exactly. Its a job. He wants to move to another job where he gets paid more. Sometimes its difficult to comprehend as a fan because we love the club. Its in our blood. Its not in his, he might have enjoyed his time playing in the red and white but he'll move at the drop of a hat for more money. And also his dirty mouthed brother is after a slice of the pie. I did always think he would move up though, to a team on the next level. Disappointing but thats life. The thing is it's a totally different scenario to one of us changing our job for more money. Yes he has to make a living in a short career but he's in an entertainment industry that pays him handsomely and where he is adored by thousands. That's what makes it different from 'normal' people with 'normal' jobs. What we are talking about in essence is loyalty. A trait that is very rare in most walks of life and especially so in football. I don't see much difference. He'll be adored by thousands at his next club , I doubt he'll be thinking about our fans. I'm resigned to the fact that footballers and to a degree human beings in general are inherently greedy mercenary selfish bastards. H
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Post by bhp on Jul 12, 2017 10:02:05 GMT
It will be our problem when he have a player who doesn't want to be here on our books. Is that really a problem? We've got loads of money. Well yeah? Isn't like we're going get £5m for him, £25 is a sizable fee for a club like us.
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Post by madnellie on Jul 12, 2017 10:04:36 GMT
Exactly. Its a job. He wants to move to another job where he gets paid more. Sometimes its difficult to comprehend as a fan because we love the club. Its in our blood. Its not in his, he might have enjoyed his time playing in the red and white but he'll move at the drop of a hat for more money. And also his dirty mouthed brother is after a slice of the pie. I did always think he would move up though, to a team on the next level. Disappointing but thats life. The thing is it's a totally different scenario to one of us changing our job for more money. Yes he has to make a living in a short career but he's in an entertainment industry that pays him handsomely and where he is adored by thousands. That's what makes it different from 'normal' people with 'normal' jobs. It's a bubble isn't it, an obscene amount of money sloshing around. I'm not sure there's any malice in Arnie's behaviour or any other footballer who pushes though a move for money. I just don't think most footballers are really in touch with the real world or give any thought to how it comes across when they're pushing for an EXTRA 30,000 per week, which is more than quite a lot of the fans (who are the reason they get to earn money to play footie) earn in a whole year. Plus there's absolutely nothing to stop players getting another job after football if they so desire, no one is forcing them to retire at 35, although I wouldn't blame them one bit if they did
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Post by madnellie on Jul 12, 2017 10:07:26 GMT
The thing is it's a totally different scenario to one of us changing our job for more money. Yes he has to make a living in a short career but he's in an entertainment industry that pays him handsomely and where he is adored by thousands. That's what makes it different from 'normal' people with 'normal' jobs. What we are talking about in essence is loyalty. A trait that is very rare in most walks of life and especially so in football. I don't see much difference. He'll be adored by thousands at his next club , I doubt he'll be thinking about our fans. I'm resigned to the fact that footballers and to a degree human beings in general are inherently greedy mercenary selfish bastards. H That's my realisation too RAF and I think why I'm quite so disappointed by this Arnie situation. I love football and that will never change, but I'm finding it harder and harder to like football these days.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jul 12, 2017 10:09:57 GMT
That wasn't the point of your post that I replied to. My original post was that I don't blame him. I got questioned about why West Ham are much better, So I pointed out it's not the West Ham being better is us going backwards. If us fans are pissed off with things at the moment how can we expect our better players to stay if there's more money on offer elsewhere ? That contract he signed last year wasn't just security for him, it's secured us a transfer fee, he'd of left for free without it. Excellent point that has been overlooked in the hysteria.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 12, 2017 10:10:10 GMT
I imagine this will get merged into one of the other random anonymous Arnie threads, but I reckon this chap actually deserves a thread of his own. I think there's a lot of abuse being thrown at Arnie, somewhat undeservedly, that really should be reserved for this little fella. All this about giving Arnie a horrific reception when he returns, Arnie has been a quality player for us for 3 seasons and was decent in his first, and we're going to make decent money on the lad at the end of the day. This guy on the other hand....... ....This story for me, sums him up: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-impish-danijel-arnautovic-teases-8216-marko-plays-football-i-get-the-money-8217/story-29415086-detail/story.htmlJust some quotes: - “I was or am surely the bigger talent, but I just didn't pursue it with as much fervour as Marko," - "Now the allocation of tasks is very clear... He plays football and I get the money." - “the negotiations with clubs like at the moment Stoke City. I completely shield him from everything so that he focuses solely on football" - “I focus on providing the absolute best for him as far as contracts go, financially, the perfect environment and whatever." Those quotes alone are everything you need to know about this guy. Here's a big brother, living in his brothers shadow, desperate to make some easy money and is naturally doing everything in his power to accomplish that. It reminds me of the Tevez agent who had him move every other season at the start of his career, as he made an absolute fortune out of it. Danijel Arnautovic isn't the talent, he's just an agent, but I think he's got quite a strong hold over Arnie and therefore, is no doubt pushing Arnie to make the decisions he is making. I found this article from a few years ago: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1192175/Chelsea-turn-Dembele-12m-deal-FC-Twente-striker-Arnautovic-breaks-down.html showing that Arnie's agent at the time was a bloke called Robert Groener, not his brother. So I Googled Robert Groener Danijel Arnautovic and found this: diepresse.com/home/sport/fussball/491186/ArnautovicTransfer_Weitere-VerhandlungenTranslated, Groener is still his agent and talking about the move to Inter, yet his brother Danijel, is seemingly the Arnie mouthpiece.... completely voiding all of the planned replies by those who were going to say "Danijel was also a pro footballer, that's why he wasn't his agent at the time". Danijel was indeed a pro footballer in a low league of football, yet despite being a player himself, he was too busy meddling in his brothers affairs. Who knows what is round the corner and sure, losing him to a PL rival isn't ideal, but that's football. I know that some will find it hard to forgive Arnie when he does go, but it might not entirely be the puppets fault. There's always the puppet master. If Arnautovic wants to come out and say 'OK I want to move for more money and I hope a deal can be worked out between the clubs but I disassociate myself from my idiot brother's toxic bullshit from yesterday which was intended solely to benefit him and myself and weaken the hand of the club who gave me a massive contract 12 months ago' then I might just get on board with you. In the absence of that Arnie can get fucked.
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