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Post by TinkerT on Jul 12, 2017 9:03:22 GMT
He was the problem when Arnie signed his extension and the messing about was because he wanted more "agents fees" i feel the current situation is a combination of this again, and Arnie not being major popular amongst the majority of our players, and he's played on this getting in Arnie's head. He's just looking for a move to earn him a shed load of cash in agents fees... AGAIN.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 12, 2017 9:03:30 GMT
1st of all we don't know if West ham will be his destination, they may have just made his mind up about leaving by putting the bid in. But if it is West Ham, Payet flourished in his position just over a year ago, and the whole world was gushing about how Bilic had turned West ham around and turned Payet into a World beater. They then had a shit season last year, wouldn't be hard to Sell Arnie the dream of doing what Payet did. London, Shiny new stadium, media darlings, wage rise. Do you think that white elephant of a stadium and the fact a few meatheads in Wapping support them is enough to turn his head? Payet left in part because of their lack of ambition! And he was very much a statement signing at the time, which Arnie wouldn't be. No like I've already said, the shit football we've been playing for well over 12 months, the contracts being handed out to players that have seen their best years, the free signing of a 33 year old defensive midfielder. That would be enough to turn my head.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:04:57 GMT
Charlie saying that Arnie "wants to look after his family" is basically saying he's in it for the money not the ambition and if someone who earned over 3 million last year can't support his family it shows what a pathetic bubble these some of these players live in (Arnie, not Charlie). Worse is Arnie's brother though: “But now the time has come to say goodbye and we want to do it in a nice way. When we re-signed last year the club promised they will not stand in his way if he one day wanted to leave. This day is now here.” What's this "we" business? Arnie's brother didn't sign the contract to play, all he does is stand to make a lot of money every time his brother signs one. Arnie's brother is obviously an absolute leech but Arnie has also gone down massively in my estimation over this. I hoped he was a little bit more than your average money grabbing footballer but more than that, I hoped that when he left he would leave gracefully and for footballing reasons (like Nzonzi) or to move back to mainland Europe and that he would leave us as a modern day Stoke legend. As it is, it sounds like he'll make his big money sideways/backwards move and sadly end his career as a talented footballer who never really fulfilled his enormous potential and if he's remembered at all it will be with disdain my Stoke fans and as another spoiled mardy brat who could have won trophies if he hadn't spent his time kicking around mid table European clubs causing trouble and trying to get as rich as possible. Meanwhile, Stoke City FC will take that 20 or so million (a very tidy profit), hopefully spend it wisely (yeah, I know, but at least some will be going towards the BMI purchase and then hopefully Delph too), continue to develop Ramandan, who I also believe can be a genuinely great player, and get on with life with out Arnie. Out of the 155 years our club has been here Arnie has been with us for four. I think we'll be just fine. Frankly a shit post and reeks of jealousy. Like any other business people move on. We've brought him for peanuts and will be making massive profit on him. Why on earth people have to get so shitty is beyond me. Let's not be beyond any illusion here Pugs, it's Arnie and his representative who have turned this 'shitty'. The comments made yesterday are absolutely outrageous. Arnie will be getting absolute pelters from me when/if he returns to play against us.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jul 12, 2017 9:05:43 GMT
I remember reading the same kind of thing about Harry Corbett when Sooty and Sweep signed for Real Madrid.
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Post by Gods on Jul 12, 2017 9:05:55 GMT
Charlie saying that Arnie "wants to look after his family" is basically saying he's in it for the money not the ambition and if someone who earned over 3 million last year can't support his family it shows what a pathetic bubble these some of these players live in (Arnie, not Charlie). Worse is Arnie's brother though: “But now the time has come to say goodbye and we want to do it in a nice way. When we re-signed last year the club promised they will not stand in his way if he one day wanted to leave. This day is now here.” What's this "we" business? Arnie's brother didn't sign the contract to play, all he does is stand to make a lot of money every time his brother signs one. Arnie's brother is obviously an absolute leech but Arnie has also gone down massively in my estimation over this. I hoped he was a little bit more than your average money grabbing footballer but more than that, I hoped that when he left he would leave gracefully and for footballing reasons (like Nzonzi) or to move back to mainland Europe and that he would leave us as a modern day Stoke legend. As it is, it sounds like he'll make his big money sideways/backwards move and sadly end his career as a talented footballer who never really fulfilled his enormous potential and if he's remembered at all it will be with disdain my Stoke fans and as another spoiled mardy brat who could have won trophies if he hadn't spent his time kicking around mid table European clubs causing trouble and trying to get as rich as possible. Meanwhile, Stoke City FC will take that 20 or so million (a very tidy profit), hopefully spend it wisely (yeah, I know, but at least some will be going towards the BMI purchase and then hopefully Delph too), continue to develop Ramandan, who I also believe can be a genuinely great player, and get on with life with out Arnie. Out of the 155 years our club has been here Arnie has been with us for four. I think we'll be just fine. I hate that 'we re-signed' too Nell, Arnie signed for us not his shiny topped brother, it really grinds your gears doesn't it ? I can't lie to you though, I was a big Arnie fan and I'm gutted that he is leaving
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:07:08 GMT
We know from history that's not true. Go on... Tevez? Agent basically forced/convinced him to move several times at the start of his career, to the tune of about 4 million (if I remember rightly) odd in agents fees every transfer. Joey Barton? Agent (Willie McKay) convinced Barton, TWICE, to move on a free transfer. Barton's market valuation was then paid as a signing on fee, and split 50/50 if I remember rightly. Wayne Rooney? Agent convinced him to put in a transfer request, in order to get a new contract. Jorge Mendes? Jorge Mendes alone.... That guy has 'brokered' numerous transfers, many of which didn't need to happen. The list goes on a long way to be fair.
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Post by RichJonesy on Jul 12, 2017 9:07:58 GMT
I remember reading the same kind of thing about Harry Corbett when Sooty and Sweep signed for Real Madrid. Sooty and Sweep?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:09:58 GMT
He was the problem when Arnie signed his extension and the messing about was because he wanted more "agents fees" i feel the current situation is a combination of this again, and Arnie not being major popular amongst the majority of our players, and he's played on this getting in Arnie's head. He's just looking for a move to earn him a shed load of cash in agents fees... AGAIN. And it will. We're talking millions. I don't exactly know how they're worked out, but say he takes 10% of a £15,000,000 deal, which is paid by the purchasing club. That's £1.5 million. I reckon 10% is optimistically low as well. These agents aren't driving around in Ford Mondeo's; many of them have nicer houses and faster cars than the footballers themselves!! I remember reading the same kind of thing about Harry Corbett when Sooty and Sweep signed for Real Madrid. I quite like that
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:10:07 GMT
Do you think that white elephant of a stadium and the fact a few meatheads in Wapping support them is enough to turn his head? Payet left in part because of their lack of ambition! And he was very much a statement signing at the time, which Arnie wouldn't be. No like I've already said, the shit football we've been playing for well over 12 months, the contracts being handed out to players that have seen their best years, the free signing of a 33 year old defensive midfielder. That would be enough to turn my head. What about the shit football West Ham have been playing for 12 months? NONE of anything you've mentioned there is to do with why he's put in a transfer request. We could have signed Delph, Bruno, Zouma and another striker by now and he would still be wanting out. Why? He's been offered more money pure and simple.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:10:22 GMT
I remember reading the same kind of thing about Harry Corbett when Sooty and Sweep signed for Real Madrid. Sooty and Sweep? I think he's joking about the fact I called Arnie and his brother: puppet, and puppet master.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 9:11:56 GMT
Tevez? Agent basically forced/convinced him to move several times at the start of his career, to the tune of about 4 million (if I remember rightly) odd in agents fees every transfer. Joey Barton? Agent (Willie McKay) convinced Barton, TWICE, to move on a free transfer. Barton's market valuation was then paid as a signing on fee, and split 50/50 if I remember rightly. Wayne Rooney? Agent convinced him to put in a transfer request, in order to get a new contract. Jorge Mendes? Jorge Mendes alone.... That guy has 'brokered' numerous transfers, many of which didn't need to happen. The list goes on a long way to be fair. There's a world of difference between 'forcing' and 'convincing'. The decision ultimately resides with the player. Of course some agents make it their business to try and keep their clients unsettled so they keep moving on - Anelka's brothers made a career of it. But they can't FORCE them to do anything. If Arnie didn't want to move all he has to do is tell his brother that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 9:13:00 GMT
Do you think that white elephant of a stadium and the fact a few meatheads in Wapping support them is enough to turn his head? Payet left in part because of their lack of ambition! And he was very much a statement signing at the time, which Arnie wouldn't be. No like I've already said, the shit football we've been playing for well over 12 months, the contracts being handed out to players that have seen their best years, the free signing of a 33 year old defensive midfielder. That would be enough to turn my head. To West Ham? Really? In footballing terms why are they a better bet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:13:13 GMT
He was the problem when Arnie signed his extension and the messing about was because he wanted more "agents fees" i feel the current situation is a combination of this again, and Arnie not being major popular amongst the majority of our players, and he's played on this getting in Arnie's head. He's just looking for a move to earn him a shed load of cash in agents fees... AGAIN. Arnautovic is extremely popular amongst the players
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:14:13 GMT
Tevez? Agent basically forced/convinced him to move several times at the start of his career, to the tune of about 4 million (if I remember rightly) odd in agents fees every transfer. Joey Barton? Agent (Willie McKay) convinced Barton, TWICE, to move on a free transfer. Barton's market valuation was then paid as a signing on fee, and split 50/50 if I remember rightly. Wayne Rooney? Agent convinced him to put in a transfer request, in order to get a new contract. Jorge Mendes? Jorge Mendes alone.... That guy has 'brokered' numerous transfers, many of which didn't need to happen. The list goes on a long way to be fair. There's a world of difference between 'forcing' and 'convincing'. The decision ultimately resides with the player. Of course some agents make it their business to try and keep their clients unsettled so they keep moving on - Anelka's brothers made a career of it. But they can't FORCE them to do anything. If Arnie didn't want to move all he has to do is tell his brother that. Love how easy you make it sound "Listen Marko, I really need this, I've got a big down payment coming up on the house in Monaco, can you give us a hand".
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:14:30 GMT
No like I've already said, the shit football we've been playing for well over 12 months, the contracts being handed out to players that have seen their best years, the free signing of a 33 year old defensive midfielder. That would be enough to turn my head. To West Ham? Really? In footballing terms why are they a better bet? Because they pay more money.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 9:14:58 GMT
To West Ham? Really? In footballing terms why are they a better bet? Because they pay more money. Exactly. It's sod all to do with 'ambition' or a lack of it.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jul 12, 2017 9:15:03 GMT
I think he's joking about the fact I called Arnie and his brother: puppet, and puppet master. But you have given your age away.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:15:08 GMT
I imagine this will get merged into one of the other random anonymous Arnie threads, but I reckon this chap actually deserves a thread of his own. I think there's a lot of abuse being thrown at Arnie, somewhat undeservedly, that really should be reserved for this little fella. All this about giving Arnie a horrific reception when he returns, Arnie has been a quality player for us for 3 seasons and was decent in his first, and we're going to make decent money on the lad at the end of the day. This guy on the other hand....... ....This story for me, sums him up: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-impish-danijel-arnautovic-teases-8216-marko-plays-football-i-get-the-money-8217/story-29415086-detail/story.htmlJust some quotes: - “I was or am surely the bigger talent, but I just didn't pursue it with as much fervour as Marko," - "Now the allocation of tasks is very clear... He plays football and I get the money." - “the negotiations with clubs like at the moment Stoke City. I completely shield him from everything so that he focuses solely on football" - “I focus on providing the absolute best for him as far as contracts go, financially, the perfect environment and whatever." Those quotes alone are everything you need to know about this guy. Here's a big brother, living in his brothers shadow, desperate to make some easy money and is naturally doing everything in his power to accomplish that. It reminds me of the Tevez agent who had him move every other season at the start of his career, as he made an absolute fortune out of it. Danijel Arnautovic isn't the talent, he's just an agent, but I think he's got quite a strong hold over Arnie and therefore, is no doubt pushing Arnie to make the decisions he is making. I found this article from a few years ago: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1192175/Chelsea-turn-Dembele-12m-deal-FC-Twente-striker-Arnautovic-breaks-down.html showing that Arnie's agent at the time was a bloke called Robert Groener, not his brother. So I Googled Robert Groener Danijel Arnautovic and found this: diepresse.com/home/sport/fussball/491186/ArnautovicTransfer_Weitere-VerhandlungenTranslated, Groener is still his agent and talking about the move to Inter, yet his brother Danijel, is seemingly the Arnie mouthpiece.... completely voiding all of the planned replies by those who were going to say "Danijel was also a pro footballer, that's why he wasn't his agent at the time". Danijel was indeed a pro footballer in a low league of football, yet despite being a player himself, he was too busy meddling in his brothers affairs. Who knows what is round the corner and sure, losing him to a PL rival isn't ideal, but that's football. I know that some will find it hard to forgive Arnie when he does go, but it might not entirely be the puppets fault. There's always the puppet master. Ah right so Arnie has absolutely no say over who represents him then? THEY (and that's the important bit) are treating our club with complete and utter contempt and they BOTH should be afforded the same from us when the the appropriate time arises.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 9:16:08 GMT
There's a world of difference between 'forcing' and 'convincing'. The decision ultimately resides with the player. Of course some agents make it their business to try and keep their clients unsettled so they keep moving on - Anelka's brothers made a career of it. But they can't FORCE them to do anything. If Arnie didn't want to move all he has to do is tell his brother that. Love how easy you make it sound "Listen Marko, I really need this, I've got a big down payment coming up on the house in Monaco, can you give us a hand". If only he had a brother who was already raking in £70,000 pounds a week...
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2017 9:16:44 GMT
Frankly a shit post and reeks of jealousy. Like any other business people move on. We've brought him for peanuts and will be making massive profit on him. Why on earth people have to get so shitty is beyond me. Let's not be beyond any illusion here Pugs, it's Arnie and his representative who have turned this 'shitty'. The comments made yesterday are absolutely outrageous. Arnie will be getting absolute pelters from me when/if he returns to play against us. Like all of us you don't know the full story, what was agreed, what's lost in translation etc. but I agree it looks bad. I just don't understand why anyone gets so upset by it. Bloke wants more money to secure his families future - isn't that what we all want? He can go as long as we get a good deal. For me he can stay as well, I really don't care as long as he produces on the pitch.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jul 12, 2017 9:16:49 GMT
I imagine this will get merged into one of the other random anonymous Arnie threads, but I reckon this chap actually deserves a thread of his own. I think there's a lot of abuse being thrown at Arnie, somewhat undeservedly, that really should be reserved for this little fella. All this about giving Arnie a horrific reception when he returns, Arnie has been a quality player for us for 3 seasons and was decent in his first, and we're going to make decent money on the lad at the end of the day. This guy on the other hand....... ....This story for me, sums him up: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-city-impish-danijel-arnautovic-teases-8216-marko-plays-football-i-get-the-money-8217/story-29415086-detail/story.htmlJust some quotes: - “I was or am surely the bigger talent, but I just didn't pursue it with as much fervour as Marko," - "Now the allocation of tasks is very clear... He plays football and I get the money." - “the negotiations with clubs like at the moment Stoke City. I completely shield him from everything so that he focuses solely on football" - “I focus on providing the absolute best for him as far as contracts go, financially, the perfect environment and whatever." Those quotes alone are everything you need to know about this guy. Here's a big brother, living in his brothers shadow, desperate to make some easy money and is naturally doing everything in his power to accomplish that. It reminds me of the Tevez agent who had him move every other season at the start of his career, as he made an absolute fortune out of it. Danijel Arnautovic isn't the talent, he's just an agent, but I think he's got quite a strong hold over Arnie and therefore, is no doubt pushing Arnie to make the decisions he is making. I found this article from a few years ago: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1192175/Chelsea-turn-Dembele-12m-deal-FC-Twente-striker-Arnautovic-breaks-down.html showing that Arnie's agent at the time was a bloke called Robert Groener, not his brother. So I Googled Robert Groener Danijel Arnautovic and found this: diepresse.com/home/sport/fussball/491186/ArnautovicTransfer_Weitere-VerhandlungenTranslated, Groener is still his agent and talking about the move to Inter, yet his brother Danijel, is seemingly the Arnie mouthpiece.... completely voiding all of the planned replies by those who were going to say "Danijel was also a pro footballer, that's why he wasn't his agent at the time". Danijel was indeed a pro footballer in a low league of football, yet despite being a player himself, he was too busy meddling in his brothers affairs. Who knows what is round the corner and sure, losing him to a PL rival isn't ideal, but that's football. I know that some will find it hard to forgive Arnie when he does go, but it might not entirely be the puppets fault. There's always the puppet master. Granted but at the end of the day it's the player who signs the contract. I'm sorry but I don't buy this "a big boy made me do it" stuff. If Arnie wants to delegate his career to his agent then Arnie deserves all he gets.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 12, 2017 9:18:21 GMT
No like I've already said, the shit football we've been playing for well over 12 months, the contracts being handed out to players that have seen their best years, the free signing of a 33 year old defensive midfielder. That would be enough to turn my head. What about the shit football West Ham have been playing for 12 months? NONE of anything you've mentioned there is to do with why he's put in a transfer request. We could have signed Delph, Bruno, Zouma and another striker by now and he would still be wanting out. Why? He's been offered more money pure and simple. Exactly. Its a job. He wants to move to another job where he gets paid more. Sometimes its difficult to comprehend as a fan because we love the club. Its in our blood. Its not in his, he might have enjoyed his time playing in the red and white but he'll move at the drop of a hat for more money. And also his dirty mouthed brother is after a slice of the pie. I did always think he would move up though, to a team on the next level. Disappointing but thats life.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 12, 2017 9:18:53 GMT
Given that this guy probably only makes his money off his brother, he certainly won't want to see him running his contracts down. He'll want at least another 2, possibly 3 moves before he retires so he can feather his nest. Arnie isn't innocent in this, I put the blame with both of them equally.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 12, 2017 9:19:10 GMT
I remember reading the same kind of thing about Harry Corbett when Sooty and Sweep signed for Real Madrid. Sooty and Sweep? You have to be really old to get this joke!
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Post by waltersobchak on Jul 12, 2017 9:19:23 GMT
Good luck to him my arse. Him and his shithead brother broken about every rule in the book about moving away from the club. Fuck him. Give him hell. We'll get the daft cunt sent off in December no mither. How he's handled this is only one small bastardly step away from refusing to play. Hopefully he'll get the full Quiterill/Commons treatment upon his return.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:19:26 GMT
Because they pay more money. Exactly. It's sod all to do with 'ambition' or a lack of it. I think everyone sees through the ambition bullshit. West Ham have signed one or two 'better' players than us, Payet, for example. They've also consistently signed dross. It wasn't that long ago, their front line was made up of Frederick Piquionne, Carlton Cole and Ricardo Vaz Te. Nothing screams "we are heading for the relegation zone, the relegation zone, the relegation zone" like seeing that on your first team sheet.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 12, 2017 9:20:25 GMT
Love how easy you make it sound "Listen Marko, I really need this, I've got a big down payment coming up on the house in Monaco, can you give us a hand". If only he had a brother who was already raking in £70,000 pounds a week... Do you chuck your brother a portion of your wages then?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2017 9:22:22 GMT
Let's not be beyond any illusion here Pugs, it's Arnie and his representative who have turned this 'shitty'. The comments made yesterday are absolutely outrageous. Arnie will be getting absolute pelters from me when/if he returns to play against us. Like all of us you don't know the full story, what was agreed, what's lost in translation etc. but I agree it looks bad. I just don't understand why anyone gets so upset by it. Bloke wants more money to secure his families future - isn't that what we all want? He can go as long as we get a good deal. For me he can stay as well, I really don't care as long as he produces on the pitch. It's do with respect Pugs. Absolutely nothing wrong with a player wanting to improve his lot but we gave him the security of a huge contract just 12 months ago and you don't then turn around and attempt to weaken our negotiating hand with the antics they're trying to pull at the moment. It just shows complete contempt for Stoke City football club.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 9:28:52 GMT
If only he had a brother who was already raking in £70,000 pounds a week... Do you chuck your brother a portion of your wages then? If he's in dire need of money, which is what you were suggesting, I'd help a family member out as best I could, yeah. I wouldn't let them dictate my life otherwise though, and I don't think Arnie does either. Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility that he's the driving force here?
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Post by kustokie on Jul 12, 2017 9:29:23 GMT
If only he had a brother who was already raking in £70,000 pounds a week... Do you chuck your brother a portion of your wages then? oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/245794/wonder-why-footbalers-groke This was one of my first ever posts and it got a few chuckles from the typo in the title. But more seriously, it was intended to try and explain why rich atheletes often go broke (Gazza, Best etc.) One of the main reasons is they delegate their financial affairs to family members who have little or no experience handling large amounts of money. So they get bad advice and the money get's pissed away. I am afraid the Arnautovic clan is going down this well trodden path. Greed is a very powerful force and quite addictive.
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