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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 11, 2017 17:33:37 GMT
The more this situation develops, the more it fu**ing stinks.
Watching that video of Arnie roaming around like a lost sheep from the rest of the group and then his brother spouting utter shit in the press, it's all complete bollocks. And we shouldn't pin it all on his brother/agent either. Arnie is a grown man and he could easily put a stop to it if he thought he was being misrepresented. The fact is, he's on board with the whole thing and his body language yesterday told a thousand words to that effect.
We just need to play hard ball now. West Ham may think they hold all the cards because he's had his head turned but we need to be pretty quick to stamp that out. Give them our asking price and tell them we won't accept a penny less. Outright reject any future bid that isn't close and carry on as normal. If his agent keeps spouting in the press we just ignore it and refuse to get drawn into the bollocks.
Drag Arnie into the office and remind him of his responsibilities too, whilst he's a millionaire employee of the club.
These situations fu**ing stink. I'll be royally pissed off if we bend over for West Ham of all f***ing teams.
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 17:38:22 GMT
Isn't having more money an ambition? Also do we really have as much ambition as West Ham on or off the pitch? Does their activity in the transfer market grind to a halt because a major deal flops? Are they more ambitious on the pitch? we've been getting less and less flamboyant on the pitch for a good 18 months it seems that's the way Hughes has decided to go. For some people yes more money is an ambition. If WHU are that ambitious more than us then why they let their best player go. Payet himself said he left because he wanted to win trophies and play in the championship league and now Arni wants to join that same team. They let their best player go because they had little choice just as we don't. I know they're unlikely to win silverware or play champions league but I think you're underestimating just how unambitious our club seems to have become to many including a large proportion of our own fans. Can you imagine how many titles Man Utd would have not won if they'd been put off investing in players because they bought Veron and he flopped, which is what seems to have happened with us because we bought a nail(Imbula).
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 11, 2017 17:41:29 GMT
The more this situation develops, the more is fu**ing stinks. Watching that video of Arnie roaming around like a lost sheep from the rest of the group and then his brother spouting utter shit in the press, it's all complete bollocks. And we shouldn't pin it all on his brother/agent either. Arnie is a grown man and he could easily put a stop to it if he thought he was being misrepresented. The fact is, he's on board with the whole thing and his body language yesterday told a thousand words to that effect. We just need to play hard ball now. West Ham may think they hold all the cards because he's had his head turned but we need to be pretty quick to stamp that out. Give them our asking price and tell them we won't accept a penny less. Outright reject any future bid that isn't close and carry on as normal. If his agent keeps spouting in the press we just ignore it and refuse to get drawn into the bollocks. Drag Arnie into the office and remind him of his responsibilities too, whilst he's a millionaire employee of the club. These situations fu**ing stink. I'll be royally pissed off if we bend over for West Ham of all f***ing teams. Seconded. Even worse is the fact that he only recently signed a new deal.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 17:51:19 GMT
It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I know that and that is the sole reason for me asking that the management negotiate an extra 20k for his salary but if he demands more than that, then he can leave but at least we should try to keep him. You would pay him an extra 1 million a year?
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2017 18:00:04 GMT
Charlie never rocks the boat - but there's zero way back for Arnie now, just as his big bro has planned by ramping up the toxicity to make his position completely untenable. Just got to hope West Ham do their bit now and go over £20m to give us the out we need Nah, if he stays and puts in match winning performances people should soon forgive. Honestly, it wouldn't bother me one iota although I'm probably in a minority. Stoke fans seem to get worked up by this shit.
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 11, 2017 18:08:53 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 11, 2017 18:11:56 GMT
I was disappointed last night when I heard what had happened but thinking about it since it is the one area where we have a ready made replacement in Ramadan. This could be a blessing in disguise in a strange sort of way as young Sobhi has the chance to prove that he can replace our probably most gifted outfield player and get regular football at the top level.Plus at the same time have some extra financial muscle for another young CB and fullback.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 18:16:34 GMT
For fuck's sake. If that happens, I'll shove my Season Card right up Scholes' vagina. £15m?? Fuck off.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 11, 2017 18:18:38 GMT
Someone's just had their Kanu moment.
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 18:20:36 GMT
For fuck's sake. If that happens, I'll shove my Season Card right up Scholes' vagina. £15m?? Fuck off. Stop quivering Beefy. It's fake news
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 11, 2017 18:21:25 GMT
For fuck's sake. If that happens, I'll shove my Season Card right up Scholes' vagina. £15m?? Fuck off. 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 18:22:53 GMT
For fuck's sake. If that happens, I'll shove my Season Card right up Scholes' vagina. £15m?? Fuck off. Brilliant 😂
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 11, 2017 18:23:03 GMT
DG has no fucking class if that is a genuine post/tweet
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Post by cozmick on Jul 11, 2017 18:23:11 GMT
For fuck's sake. If that happens, I'll shove my Season Card right up Scholes' vagina. £15m?? Fuck off. Fucking hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 18:24:31 GMT
DG has no fucking class if that is a genuine post/tweet 😂😂😂😂
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 11, 2017 18:25:41 GMT
For fuck's sake. If that happens, I'll shove my Season Card right up Scholes' vagina. £15m?? Fuck off.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 11, 2017 18:27:51 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 11, 2017 18:31:35 GMT
stop fucking with my ticker
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 11, 2017 18:33:04 GMT
£50 million up front and not a penny less, Stoke. Until West Ham stump up, Arnie is banned from all club premises and sent home from Austria. He can pay for his own ticket home, though. Let's play hardball. If the people at Kiev and Hanover can do it, why can't we? Who the heck is going pay that for him? Not our problem.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 11, 2017 18:33:05 GMT
Christ how many will believe that
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 11, 2017 18:47:47 GMT
Christ how many will believe that If u say GULLIBLE slowly it sounds like ORANGES!
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 18:48:55 GMT
For some people yes more money is an ambition. If WHU are that ambitious more than us then why they let their best player go. Payet himself said he left because he wanted to win trophies and play in the championship league and now Arni wants to join that same team. They let their best player go because they had little choice just as we don't. I know they're unlikely to win silverware or play champions league but I think you're underestimating just how unambitious our club seems to have become to many including a large proportion of our own fans. Can you imagine how many titles Man Utd would have not won if they'd been put off investing in players because they bought Veron and he flopped, which is what seems to have happened with us because we bought a nail(Imbula). Sure, Payet forced his move but he went to a team that can win and also I'm with you that for the past two seasons we were at stalemate with us not going forward and accepting our fallings and losses but we the fans want to win we go to the pitch to enjoy us winning or at least fighting for me the problem lays within the management that they believe that as long as we go to the pitch and the team stays in the EPL then it's enough. What I always wanted for at least the last season was a reaction from Coates or Hughes be it any sort of punishment they see fit for the losses and the disappointment but they gave none.
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 18:48:59 GMT
Looks like there's a stampede to join West Ham right now. Probably because they're such an ambitious club!!
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 18:51:44 GMT
I know that and that is the sole reason for me asking that the management negotiate an extra 20k for his salary but if he demands more than that, then he can leave but at least we should try to keep him. You would pay him an extra 1 million a year? If it'll keep him here then yes. We are better with him.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 11, 2017 18:57:58 GMT
Christ how many will believe that If u say GULLIBLE slowly it sounds like ORANGES! Haha just had the missus with that one. She was not amused.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 11, 2017 20:06:33 GMT
I'm not sure I share the same level of frustration that some of us seem to have on this. I'm fairly sure that Stoke lure players in by saying we're a stepping stone, it's the only way we've landed such targets.
Last season's Arnie is not only replaceable but someone we should be looking to replace.
West Ham aren't a step up but maybe he's just a bit bored and moving to London would make a nice change. I don't think we should take it personally at all.
My slight annoyance is his brother saying we signed him for pittance so should sell him for pittance. That holds in in two scenarios; you're a fantastic servant to the club who for whatever reason wants to leave (see Rooney or even SJW with us here) or we still pay him a pittance. Arnie falls into neither category. We revalued him very highly and as such pay him a huge wage. For me we wait till West Ham pay 25m and then sell him. Then we can then chuck Arnie into the the Kris Commons, Graham Kavanagh category.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 11, 2017 20:07:19 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 11, 2017 20:13:02 GMT
I'm not sure I share the same level of frustration that some of us seem to have on this. I'm fairly sure that Stoke lure players in by saying we're a stepping stone, it's the only way we've landed such targets. Last season's Arnie is not only replaceable but someone we should be looking to replace. West Ham aren't a step up but maybe he's just a bit bored and moving to London would make a nice change. I don't think we should take it personally at all. My slight annoyance is his brother saying we signed him for pittance so should sell him for pittance. That holds in in two scenarios; you're a fantastic servant to the club who for whatever reason wants to leave (see Rooney or even SJW with us here) or we still pay him a pittance. Arnie falls into neither category. We revalued him very highly and as such pay him a huge wage. For me we wait till West Ham pay 25m and then sell him. Then we can then chuck Arnie into the the Kris Commons, Graham Kavanagh category. I think if Spurs or Liverpool had come in for him we'd all be understanding if still gutted. The fury is because it's come out of the blue a year after he's signed a new deal and it's transparently about money when he's already a very wealthy man. All this 'he was rubbish last season' stuff - take away his contribution and we could be mulling over an exciting curtain raiser at the Pirelli Stadium in a few weeks time.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 11, 2017 20:14:01 GMT
DG has no fucking class if that is a genuine post/tweet Theyre all out !
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Post by Davef on Jul 11, 2017 20:17:46 GMT
I'm not sure I share the same level of frustration that some of us seem to have on this. I'm fairly sure that Stoke lure players in by saying we're a stepping stone, it's the only way we've landed such targets. Last season's Arnie is not only replaceable but someone we should be looking to replace. West Ham aren't a step up but maybe he's just a bit bored and moving to London would make a nice change. I don't think we should take it personally at all. My slight annoyance is his brother saying we signed him for pittance so should sell him for pittance. That holds in in two scenarios; you're a fantastic servant to the club who for whatever reason wants to leave (see Rooney or even SJW with us here) or we still pay him a pittance. Arnie falls into neither category. We revalued him very highly and as such pay him a huge wage. For me we wait till West Ham pay 25m and then sell him. Then we can then chuck Arnie into the the Kris Commons, Graham Kavanagh category. I think if Spurs or Liverpool had come in for him we'd all be understanding if still gutted. The fury is because it's come out of the blue a year after he's signed a new deal and it's transparently about money when he's already a very wealthy man. All this 'he was rubbish last season' stuff - take away his contribution and we could be mulling over an exciting curtain raiser at the Pirelli Stadium in a few weeks time. That's where Daniel Arnautovic is getting his wires crossed. Not standing in the way of a player is when a proper club comes knocking with a respectful fee for a player who will have the chance to go on and win major trophies and play Champions League football, which will undoubtedly happen with Jack Butland.
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