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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 11, 2017 15:51:47 GMT
It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? I don't believe the club has shown a lack of ambition. The club has broken it's own transfer record on a couple of occasions, it has invested in facilities, it maintaians an affordable ticketing structure and it has invested in it's academy. If "ambition" is spending £50-£60 million a pop on transfer fees or paying players £250k a week then that would be financial suicide - and lets face it - even if we wanted to the likes of Sanchez or Pogba ain't gonna come an play for us. IMHO the club has shown ambition - at least realistic ambition - however I don't think the coaching staff have been able to turn that backing into results - either in terms of points or cup runs (last season's league cup excepted) or in terms improving the playing squad. The ambitious move now would be to bring in a more dynamic management team (and no - I don't know who) as I think any player malaise that is not cash related is to do with Hughes, not Coates.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2017 15:54:07 GMT
You know what? Although this is very entertaining, I no longer give a shit. Players on fucking ludicrous amounts of money that I, and doubtless no one on here will ever see, haggling for moves to clubs for even more ludicrous sums. It's gone beyond now. I'm off to listen to some Leonard Cohen with a Jimmy Beam, to cheer myself up.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 15:54:56 GMT
It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? Most players don't get a percentage of the transfer fee it is their agent who normally gets about 10%.As Arnies brother is his agent things seem to be stacking up.
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 15:55:18 GMT
I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me.... Isn't having more money an ambition? Also do we really have as much ambition as West Ham on or off the pitch? Does their activity in the transfer market grind to a halt because a major deal flops? Are they more ambitious on the pitch? we've been getting less and less flamboyant on the pitch for a good 18 months it seems that's the way Hughes has decided to go.
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Post by bhp on Jul 11, 2017 15:55:39 GMT
£50 million up front and not a penny less, Stoke. Until West Ham stump up, Arnie is banned from all club premises and sent home from Austria. He can pay for his own ticket home, though. Let's play hardball. If the people at Kiev and Hanover can do it, why can't we? Who the heck is going pay that for him?
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 15:56:27 GMT
I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? As i said he mentioned ambition to deflect the blame onto the club,and it looks like it's working. We spent 18 million on Imbula and 14 million on Allen that would suggest ambition. Its peanuts compared with our competition.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 15:56:44 GMT
I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? I don't believe the club has shown a lack of ambition. The club has broken it's own transfer record on a couple of occasions, it has invested in facilities, it maintaians an affordable ticketing structure and it has invested in it's academy. If "ambition" is spending £50-£60 million a pop on transfer fees or paying players £250k a week then that would be financial suicide - and lets face it - even if we wanted to the likes of Sanchez or Pogba ain't gonna come an play for us. IMHO the club has shown ambition - at least realistic ambition - however I don't think the coaching staff have been able to turn that backing into results - either in terms of points or cup runs (last season's league cup excepted) or in terms improving the playing squad. The ambitious move now would be to bring in a more dynamic management team (and no - I don't know who) as I think any player malaise that is not cash related is to do with Hughes, not Coates. Spot on!
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 11, 2017 15:57:38 GMT
I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me.... Not to be sniffed at, at all. I didn't say that money was not a big part of his transfer request, I just wonder why he mentioned ambition if there was no truth in it. He could easily have just said nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 15:58:06 GMT
If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me.... Isn't having more money an ambition? Also do we really have as much ambition as West Ham on or off the pitch? Does their activity in the transfer market grind to a halt because a major deal flops? Are they more ambitious on the pitch? we've been getting less and less flamboyant on the pitch for a good 18 months it seems that's the way Hughes has decided to go. The top few percent worry about trophies and the money sorts its self out. A player of Arnie's ability is he going to go to a club with real trophy ambitions? As talented as he is probably not (certainly not in England) so advised by leeches like his brother I think a big part of it is about money yes....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 16:00:22 GMT
If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me.... Not to be sniffed at, at all. I didn't say that money was not a big part of his transfer request, I just wonder why he mentioned ambition if there was no truth in it. He could easily have just said nothing. Would be a bit bizarre to give no reason at all truthful or not? Bearing in mind he recently signed an extension stating his love for the club and fans. I suppose he could have said "new challenge" but for me if it's West Ham it's money motivated with maybe the pull of the big smoke thrown in for good measure.....
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 16:02:04 GMT
As i said he mentioned ambition to deflect the blame onto the club,and it looks like it's working. We spent 18 million on Imbula and 14 million on Allen that would suggest ambition. Its peanuts compared with our competition. As previous posters have said we have also invested heavily in the ground,the academy and the training ground unlike our competition.
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 16:04:37 GMT
I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me.... Ambition. At West Ham Don't make me laugh! It's all about THE SIGNING ON FEE& London Lights
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Post by Gods on Jul 11, 2017 16:05:41 GMT
Why would we only get £15m? That seems to be the entry point fee for very average players these days and Arnie is a lot more than that. Ask yourself that question and ask yourself whether you would pay £15 million plus for a 29 year old. They are hardly queuing up are they. Definitely, before I paid £13m for Joe Allen or £18m for Imbula anyway!
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 16:06:33 GMT
Its peanuts compared with our competition. As previous posters have said we have also invested heavily in the ground,the academy and the training ground unlike our competition. Its coming out of the money generated by the club its not coming from our so called benefactors who's wealth increases in hundreds of millions per year.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 11, 2017 16:06:42 GMT
If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me.... Ambition. At West Ham Don't make me laugh! It's all about THE SIGNING ON FEE& London Lights Arnie and the London lights would be comedy gold.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 11, 2017 16:08:09 GMT
dont want to play for stoke? fuck off then you stopped playing about 12 months ago if truth is to be told.and i was one of your biggest fans.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 11, 2017 16:12:19 GMT
It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? Reading the deluded rantings of his kin this morning I wouldn't be surprised if they're after being weighed in from all angles, from Stoke and West Ham. I wouldn't rule anything out with this pair of twats.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jul 11, 2017 16:12:45 GMT
Who said the club lack ambition anyway?
Is there a direct quote from Arnie anywhere or was this his brother?
Or is this lazy journos adding a bit of spice to the story?
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Post by boothenesque on Jul 11, 2017 16:13:07 GMT
Not to be sniffed at, at all. I didn't say that money was not a big part of his transfer request, I just wonder why he mentioned ambition if there was no truth in it. He could easily have just said nothing. Would be a bit bizarre to give no reason at all truthful or not? Bearing in mind he recently signed an extension stating his love for the club and fans. I suppose he could have said "new challenge" but for me if it's West Ham it's money motivated with maybe the pull of the big smoke thrown in for good measure..... Does it matter if it's about money? It's a free country. We bought him at a low price given his ability versus the baggage. Between us he has helped sort his head out, he's made some money, we've had a good player, if he moves on making us a lot of money in the process then what exactly is the problem. Life isn't perfect, need to get used to that notion and get over it. All he has to do is say he wants to move, doesn't have to give a reason or justify himself, same as anyone else. If he says yeah it's for an extra £1m/year then yeah it's obscene compared to what better people get but then it's his prerogative and likewise for someone willing to pay it of their own volition. Why not send him a congratulatory message and thanks. Have some dignity.
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Post by kaney78 on Jul 11, 2017 16:13:32 GMT
Milan lol sorry no disrespect to the man,nothin wrong with wanting to better yourself.im a fan of arnie and done well for us.but put it this way if and when he comes back to stoke playing for someone else due to his inconsistenty he not a player id be worried about particularly though good player on his day.whatever he does,good luck to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 16:19:06 GMT
As previous posters have said we have also invested heavily in the ground,the academy and the training ground unlike our competition. Its coming out of the money generated by the club its not coming from our so called benefactors who's wealth increases in hundreds of millions per year. Happy to be corrected but haven't they invested £100m of their own money since 2006 (£98m loans/£2m share capital) plus converted £32m worth of debt into equity? A multi billion pound company isn't necessarily massively cash rich either especially when technology is constantly evolving to keep you ahead of your competitors.....
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 11, 2017 16:26:47 GMT
This is modern football if he wants to go let him for the right price , he will be replaced
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 16:28:29 GMT
As previous posters have said we have also invested heavily in the ground,the academy and the training ground unlike our competition. Its coming out of the money generated by the club its not coming from our so called benefactors who's wealth increases in hundreds of millions per year. As usual you are taking the opportunity to criticise the club,i swear you would blame the club if it pissed down all day.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2017 16:36:54 GMT
Its peanuts compared with our competition. As previous posters have said we have also invested heavily in the ground,the academy and the training ground unlike our competition. Wolves invested in their ground and had a horrific season ending in relegation. Our Academy has yet to bear any serious fruit. And the training ground- that must be where Adam practices hoofing it up to Crouchy.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 11, 2017 16:43:11 GMT
You know what? Although this is very entertaining, I no longer give a shit. Players on fucking ludicrous amounts of money that I, and doubtless no one on here will ever see, haggling for moves to clubs for even more ludicrous sums. It's gone beyond now. I'm off to listen to some Leonard Cohen with a Jimmy Beam, to cheer myself up. Leonard is appropriate music but I thought you'd only one bottle of Jim, you must be a slow drinker
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 16:52:27 GMT
Its coming out of the money generated by the club its not coming from our so called benefactors who's wealth increases in hundreds of millions per year. Happy to be corrected but haven't they invested £100m of their own money since 2006 (£98m loans/£2m share capital) plus converted £32m worth of debt into equity? A multi billion pound company isn't necessarily massively cash rich either especially when technology is constantly evolving to keep you ahead of your competitors..... All correct but they've invested non of their own money in the past two accounting years and don't seem to be willing to make any investments now when decisions they've obviously sanctioned have left the squad needing some serious investment. I believe bet365 has over a billion in working capital they could help get the age of the squad down without even noticing it.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 11, 2017 16:58:08 GMT
If he goes we have to splash the cash on a goal scorer
A 2017 version of £12million for Peter Crouch
The simple truth is... If you haven't got a regular goal scorer then the game becomes very difficult.
Which is why palace signed benteke, bournemouth signed defoe etc etc
We have to do the same or it's going to be a long hard season
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 17:02:25 GMT
As previous posters have said we have also invested heavily in the ground,the academy and the training ground unlike our competition. Wolves invested in their ground and had a horrific season ending in relegation. Our Academy has yet to bear any serious fruit. And the training ground- that must be where Adam practices hoofing it up to Crouchy. Ha ha true,i was just replying to a post stating we had spent peanuts compared to our competition.
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 17:13:43 GMT
Any player want trophies but WH isn't the team that will help him win any it's a mid table team just like us. So there isn't any promises of improvement or trophies. It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I know that and that is the sole reason for me asking that the management negotiate an extra 20k for his salary but if he demands more than that, then he can leave but at least we should try to keep him.
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 17:21:03 GMT
If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me.... Isn't having more money an ambition? Also do we really have as much ambition as West Ham on or off the pitch? Does their activity in the transfer market grind to a halt because a major deal flops? Are they more ambitious on the pitch? we've been getting less and less flamboyant on the pitch for a good 18 months it seems that's the way Hughes has decided to go. For some people yes more money is an ambition. If WHU are that ambitious more than us then why they let their best player go. Payet himself said he left because he wanted to win trophies and play in the championship league and now Arni wants to join that same team.
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