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Post by toppercorner on Jul 11, 2017 13:50:13 GMT
4 years left on bis contract? average 3m a year wages? 15m under valuation by west ham? we can afford to put him in the reserves for a year (especially bad for him, before a WC year) then sell him for 15m after. We should stand firm on this We could do this but he's got massive sulk going on strike written all over him. Modern footballers just down tools like they did against Mourinho and Rainieri. If the transfer request is now public it's time to get rid. Bidding starts North of 20 million and a non play against us clause if he stays in the Prem. Ramadan steps up and is told it's his shirt to lose. I think he can manage. Are Chadli and Gray really for sale? of course, but if it was me (and we all know it isn't) i'd ban him from the training ground then for a year, wait until he's spoilt his chances at the WC then sell him for a derisory amount if anyone still wants him i'd rather see him go to PSG or milan, so if that is the case, then publicly put the 'for sale' sign up to piss west ham off i'm very happy with ramadan stepping up, i do recognise we may need another player on the left, but i think it's a dream opportunity for our egyptian wonder kid to show everyone what he can do consistently
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 13:54:07 GMT
Not really. It's Arnie who has moved the goalposts, not the fans. True. It's just how they go from hero to zero in the blink of an eye that I find strangely amusing. I've already moved on......... Nothing wrong with that, they get paid handsomely to entertain you .I can't do with all this getting soppy about them.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 11, 2017 13:56:29 GMT
if we get p proper offer for him around 25 million id let him go, Ramadan will soon help us forget him. but the offer has to suit us fuck arnie brother agent he is after another pay day.
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Post by jonnybravo on Jul 11, 2017 13:57:12 GMT
I don't believe for one minute the reason he wants to leave is our lack of ambition and transfer activity, he's one of our best players but not irreplaceable, like last season it's all about money and him thinking he's better than he actually is,his bad attitude on the pitch out weighed his amazing performances last year for me, he won't get an easy ride at West ham if he just strolls around the pitch like he doesn't want be there,after that though I'd love him to stay but Ramadan could be even better for us.
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 14:02:55 GMT
Aren't we fickle fuckers?! NOT REALLY! £3.64m a year before bonuses and then renaguing on a contract after less than 12 monthsThought he went backwards last year ..... and his stats support that. Played Goals Assists Headed Goals Goals From Free Kick Shots On Target Big Chances Created Big Chances Missed Passes Per Match Defensive Tackles
Arnautovic PL stats: 2015/16 34 11 6 0 0 19 11 10 31.8 53 2016/17 32 6 5 0 0 22 8 12 26.9 32Now Stoke need to do what other clubs would do in this situation: * Send him home * Have him reporting in to Clayton Wood & training daily * Place a min £25m price tag on him with official offers to be submitted to the club only * Tell him he's going nowhere until we have a suitable replacement * No approaches to be allowed to the player without club permission * Reiterate his contract conditions Now lets get on with it, earn our pay day and reinvest
Commmmmmmmmmmon Stoke
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2017 14:05:51 GMT
I don't think some people can handle that he's going for £25million when we only paid a tenth of that for him. Kinda pisses on their Hughes is useless at signing players agenda chips.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2017 14:09:13 GMT
Aren't we fickle fuckers?! NOT REALLY! £3.64m a year before bonuses and then renaguing on a contract after less than 12 monthsThought he went backwards last year ..... and his stats support that. Played Goals Assists Headed Goals Goals From Free Kick Shots On Target Big Chances Created Big Chances Missed Passes Per Match Defensive Tackles
Arnautovic PL stats: 2015/16 34 11 6 0 0 19 11 10 31.8 53 2016/17 32 6 5 0 0 22 8 12 26.9 32Now Stoke need to do what other clubs would do in this situation: * Send him home * Have him reporting in to Clayton Wood & training daily * Place a min £25m price tag on him with official offers to be submitted to the club only * Tell him he's going nowhere until we have a suitable replacement * No approaches to be allowed to the player without club permission * Reiterate his contract conditions Now lets get on with it, earn our pay day and reinvest
Commmmmmmmmmmon StokeGreat post. I have to say, I thought Arnie was looking stale at the end of the season and said on here Ramadan had earned his spot for a couple of games at least. He'll get more than a couple, now!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2017 14:09:43 GMT
I don't think some people can handle that he's going for £25million when we only paid a tenth of that for him. Kinda pisses on their Hughes is useless at signing players agenda chips. One swallow doesn't make a summer old boy😄
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Post by robrigo on Jul 11, 2017 14:11:52 GMT
We all know how this one is going to go now. I just hope Stoke get the most money they can. Arnie is nothing to me now. I think we all agree there's a few things amiss at the club right now.. it's a bit stale. However there is also positives to be found too. We need shaking up and I'm hoping that the hierarchy make the necessary changes to the squad, it's approach to transfers. I'm trying to see this as a new start and it's down to the club to achieve this. Here's hoping because these cracks in our ship will no doubt increase to the point of sinking if Stoke don't change. Please embrace it, get the best possible deal. Invest in the squad and sort it out Stoke. Our crossroads I believe is here. Don't take the wrong turn.
Thanks Arnie. You have gone about it the wrong way so the reception upon your return won't be the one your talent deserves and understandably so.
The club, our wonderful club will go on. Up the rip roaring Potters!
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 14:14:03 GMT
I don't think some people can handle that he's going for £25million when we only paid a tenth of that for him. Kinda pisses on their Hughes is useless at signing players agenda chips. Yup they're a mixed bag like all other managers at all other clubs. The main problem is and has been we simply don't sign enough players preferring to keep the ones we have well beyond their sell by dates.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 11, 2017 14:17:13 GMT
I don't think some people can handle that he's going for £25million when we only paid a tenth of that for him. Kinda pisses on their Hughes is useless at signing players agenda chips. One swallow doesn't make a summer old boy😄 That's what she said.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 11, 2017 14:40:22 GMT
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 11, 2017 14:41:35 GMT
If he wants to leave then let him.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 11, 2017 14:43:27 GMT
I don't think some people can handle that he's going for £25million when we only paid a tenth of that for him. Kinda pisses on their Hughes is useless at signing players agenda chips. Yup they're a mixed bag like all other managers at all other clubs. The main problem is and has been we simply don't sign enough players preferring to keep the ones we have well beyond their sell by dates. Who have we kept beyond our sell by??
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Post by philb on Jul 11, 2017 14:43:52 GMT
Perhaps he's on about the ambition thing, and we promised at the time that we had ambition to get into Europe again or something and that why he signed the new contract. Obviously we look farther away from that then we did 12 months ago. Regardless, if he doesn't want to play for us anymore then ta ta....👋 Possibly mate and we probably will never know but to me it looks like its driven by £££ Usually is.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 11, 2017 14:44:10 GMT
I really don't see how we can keep him, now. If he hasn't already burned his bridges, sappers have wired them for demolition.
I suspect that much of this is the club attempting to further strengthen their bargaining position.
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Post by philb on Jul 11, 2017 14:46:27 GMT
I don't believe for one minute the reason he wants to leave is our lack of ambition and transfer activity, he's one of our best players but not irreplaceable, like last season it's all about money and him thinking he's better than he actually is,his bad attitude on the pitch out weighed his amazing performances last year for me, he won't get an easy ride at West ham if he just strolls around the pitch like he doesn't want be there,after that though I'd love him to stay but Ramadan could be even better for us. Can just hear the West Ham fans now: "Come on Arnie yer facking lazy cant"
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Post by alster on Jul 11, 2017 14:51:45 GMT
Yup they're a mixed bag like all other managers at all other clubs. The main problem is and has been we simply don't sign enough players preferring to keep the ones we have well beyond their sell by dates. Who have we kept beyond our sell by?? Crouch, Walters, Whelan, Johnson, Affelay, Adam, Ireland, Sidibe, Delap, Cameron(probably too long an extension) thats off the top of my head I could probably find more with research, add that to the stupid unnecessary extension given to Bojan.
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 14:52:18 GMT
If he really wants to leave then the management should set with him and ask him if it's for better salary then we should negotiate increasing his salary by a reasonable amount. If not and he insists that he leaves then ask him and WH for a delay till January. So, that we can evaluate our options or at least gain some time to integrate Sobhi while we still have Arni. Arni wants something he knows we can't give him: trophies, which require us to spend money we either don't have or appear unwilling to spend. Â I fear he's right about the lack of ambition. Â It's all a bit discouraging. Any player want trophies but WH isn't the team that will help him win any it's a mid table team just like us. So there isn't any promises of improvement or trophies.
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Post by parsonage1955 on Jul 11, 2017 14:56:32 GMT
If the fee for Arnie covers the lion's share of the cost of bringing in Delph and Bruno and if Arnie' s replaced by one of Sohbi or Affelay (as different game needs may require), we may just come out of this alright. (OK there's one or two 'ifs' there). Accommodating one fewer maverick might also encouage MH to give Bojan more game time too.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 11, 2017 14:57:25 GMT
Charlie never rocks the boat - but there's zero way back for Arnie now, just as his big bro has planned by ramping up the toxicity to make his position completely untenable.
Just got to hope West Ham do their bit now and go over £20m to give us the out we need
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 11, 2017 15:14:31 GMT
Charlie never rocks the boat - but there's zero way back for Arnie now, just as his big bro has planned by ramping up the toxicity to make his position completely untenable. Just got to hope West Ham do their bit now and go over £20m to give us the out we need It doesn't look good but i'm not sure there is no way back, it would depend how much extra "ambition" we are prepared to offer him per week maybe he feels short changed if West Ham are offering him an extra £30k or whatever per week but I don't buy they are more ambitious or any better than us, if Arnie had scored his penalty against Swansea there was a good chance we'd have taken the 3 points and as it turned out an 8th place finish after a pretty poor season.
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Post by tqstokie on Jul 11, 2017 15:16:38 GMT
Offers Should start at £35 million! Words like cloud and cuckoo spring to mind. We will be lucky to get much more than the £15 million supposedly offered. Why would we only get £15m? That seems to be the entry point fee for very average players these days and Arnie is a lot more than that. Ask yourself that question and ask yourself whether you would pay £15 million plus for a 29 year old. They are hardly queuing up are they.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 15:27:24 GMT
I don't think some people can handle that he's going for £25million when we only paid a tenth of that for him. Kinda pisses on their Hughes is useless at signing players agenda chips. One swallow doesn't make a summer old boy😄 If we get £25 million it will be a bloody big swallow though.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 11, 2017 15:28:08 GMT
£50 million up front and not a penny less, Stoke. Until West Ham stump up, Arnie is banned from all club premises and sent home from Austria. He can pay for his own ticket home, though.
Let's play hardball. If the people at Kiev and Hanover can do it, why can't we?
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Post by bassmaster on Jul 11, 2017 15:28:24 GMT
He said: "Marko's a massive figure at the club, I'm going to say it from the players' point of view. He's a wonderful player and he's done a great job for us but something has changed and he's made a decision. "He wants to look after his family. The club have a say in it and won't make it easy for him, which is right, you can't just turn up, hand a transfer request in and expect to leave. The club will make it difficult for him. "He's our best player. It's a shock but the club will deal with it in the right way and the manager will deal with it in the right way. "And I know however long he is here he will put 100 per cent in and try his best for the team and to try to get results. "As a player you want to get it sorted sooner rather than later but the club will have the final decision and they'll stand strong." Arnautovic has emerged as Stoke's main attacking threat over the last two-and-a-half years and Adam is under no illusions about his influence. "He would leave massive boots to fill, of course he would, because he's contributed so much in the four years he's been here," he said. "But at the moment we're talking about him as if he's leaving. He's made a decision, he's spoken to the club but we as players don't know exactly what's going on. You have to leave it and respect his decision. "It's between the manager and the player himself – but we want him to stay because he's a big player for us." Well Adam is clearly lying there because no of the players like him. I know that for a fact because I read it on here......... Great response to the Arnautovic brothers from the club via Charlie.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 15:33:29 GMT
Arni wants something he knows we can't give him: trophies, which require us to spend money we either don't have or appear unwilling to spend. I fear he's right about the lack of ambition. It's all a bit discouraging. Any player want trophies but WH isn't the team that will help him win any it's a mid table team just like us. So there isn't any promises of improvement or trophies. It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 11, 2017 15:40:04 GMT
Any player want trophies but WH isn't the team that will help him win any it's a mid table team just like us. So there isn't any promises of improvement or trophies. It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 15:44:22 GMT
It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? If he gets another £20k a week it's around another million a year so not to be sniffed at. And he's not going to come out and say money is the sole reason is he? If he goes to a PSG or Milan then I suppose it's understandable, moving to West Ham is not about ambition for me....
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2017 15:46:05 GMT
It's about money mate.The lack of ambition thing deflects the blame over to the club,and there are plenty on here ready to lap it up.If he took his finger out of his arse and performed a bit himself then we would be a little closer to realising our ambition. I'm sure money is an attraction, but is he really going to get a lot more at WHU? And, since he asked for a transfer, he doesn't get a cut of the fee, does he? And why mention lack of ambition if there's no truth in it at all? What has there been in the last two years or so which suggests that the club has ambition? As i said he mentioned ambition to deflect the blame onto the club,and it looks like it's working. We spent 18 million on Imbula and 14 million on Allen that would suggest ambition.
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