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Post by pyrus on Jul 11, 2017 7:07:20 GMT
If everyone could stop slashing their wrists....
He's a footballer. He doesn't come from Stoke, it was never his boyhood dream to play for Stoke. And even if it was, it's still his just job and if someone wants to offer him more money or maybe he wants to get himself a pay-rise from Stoke or perhaps he fancies a change for any number of reasons, then he's no different to the rest of us.
So we'd all rather he stayed, but since it looks like he's off, the situation could be a lot worse. He is at his most marketable and valuable right now, If he's going to flounce off, he's doing it in a way where other clubs cannot hold a gun to our heads; he is under contract for the next three years, so he isn't going to go for peanuts. I would think that by putting in a transfer request, he's simply told every club across Europe to start a bidding war, which you would think might push up the price.
In the meantime, we have Ramadan, Shaq, Verlindinen and Ngoy who can play in variations of that position, plus the chance that our budget for buying players is going to suddenly increase. So Arniautovic is leaving, it's not ideal, but it could be a lot worse.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2017 7:28:15 GMT
If everyone could stop slashing their wrists.... He's a footballer. He doesn't come from Stoke, it was never his boyhood dream to play for Stoke. And even if it was, it's still his just job and if someone wants to offer him more money or maybe he wants to get himself a pay-rise from Stoke or perhaps he fancies a change for any number of reasons, then he's no different to the rest of us. So we'd all rather he stayed, but since it looks like he's off, the situation could be a lot worse. He is at his most marketable and valuable right now, If he's going to flounce off, he's doing it in a way where other clubs cannot hold a gun to our heads; he is under contract for the next three years, so he isn't going to go for peanuts. I would think that by putting in a transfer request, he's simply told every club across Europe to start a bidding war, which you would think might push up the price. In the meantime, we have Ramadan, Shaq, Verlindinen and Ngoy who can play in variations of that position, plus the chance that our budget for buying players is going to suddenly increase. So Arniautovic is leaving, it's not ideal, but it could be a lot worse. None of those have the personality or occupy the opposition like Arnie. Maybe in time. He will, like N'Zonzi, be a massive miss for us. Life goes on though.
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 7:28:24 GMT
And him fucking off will solve what?. We're in a new era of football an awful one but we should decide to either stay sentimental and hold on to the principals of the old days when players were not swayed by money and fame or get along with knowing that now money and fame is what the majority of the players seek and want. Football as we know it is coming to an end and now it's just like any business and only the fans that are loyal. Well I for one pefer the sentimental option One team needs to make a stand And I hope it's Stoke and I don't care if it takes us to non league I will still support Stoke how many more on hear can truthfully say they would I'm not saying we should not hold on to and cherish this sentimental value and we love stock and will support the club no matter what but if spending some more money on a player who gave us a lot of joyous moments.A money that he thinks that he deserves won't do us any harm as long as he doesn't go over board with his demands.
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 7:30:12 GMT
Arnie is a perennial disruptive influence who cannot stand NOT being the centre of attention.
Bet he really extended the hand of friendship to Imbula !
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 11, 2017 7:31:06 GMT
Well I for one pefer the sentimental option One team needs to make a stand And I hope it's Stoke and I don't care if it takes us to non league I will still support Stoke how many more on hear can truthfully say they would I'm not saying we should not hold on to and cherish this sentimental value and we love stock and will support the club no matter what but if spending some more money on a player who gave us a lot of joyous moments.A money that he thinks that he deserves won't do us any harm as long as he doesn't go over board with his demands. How much more than 80 grand a week would you consider over board ?
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 11, 2017 7:33:05 GMT
If everyone could stop slashing their wrists.... . I'll slash'em if I want.
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 7:36:54 GMT
I'm not saying we should not hold on to and cherish this sentimental value and we love stock and will support the club no matter what but if spending some more money on a player who gave us a lot of joyous moments.A money that he thinks that he deserves won't do us any harm as long as he doesn't go over board with his demands. How much more than 80 grand a week would you consider over board ? any thing more than extra 20k and he can go for me. As I said negotiate with him and make him think he is of a value to us but also don't let him think that without him we are lost.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 11, 2017 7:38:17 GMT
Arnie is a perennial disruptive influence who cannot stand NOT being the centre of attention. Bet he really extended the hand of friendship to Imbula ! Not sure re disruptive influence, but spot on the wanting to be our "superstar " and centre of attention. Shaqiri is a similar character imo and maybe there was always only going to be room for one of them Let's hope we can keep Shaqiri
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Post by bhp on Jul 11, 2017 7:38:50 GMT
If he wants to leave for more money he should be told to fuck off He was happy to sign a 4 million a year contract less than a year ago the money grabbing arsehole What if he thinks the exact same as we are all thinking, we are going backwards. Ambitious players always want to win trophies and we look a million miles away from winning anything. Maybe he's just pissed off the same as we all are. At West Ham..?
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 11, 2017 7:46:16 GMT
If everyone could stop slashing their wrists.... He's a footballer. He doesn't come from Stoke, it was never his boyhood dream to play for Stoke. And even if it was, it's still his just job and if someone wants to offer him more money or maybe he wants to get himself a pay-rise from Stoke or perhaps he fancies a change for any number of reasons, then he's no different to the rest of us. So we'd all rather he stayed, but since it looks like he's off, the situation could be a lot worse. He is at his most marketable and valuable right now, If he's going to flounce off, he's doing it in a way where other clubs cannot hold a gun to our heads; he is under contract for the next three years, so he isn't going to go for peanuts. I would think that by putting in a transfer request, he's simply told every club across Europe to start a bidding war, which you would think might push up the price. In the meantime, we have Ramadan, Shaq, Verlindinen and Ngoy who can play in variations of that position, plus the chance that our budget for buying players is going to suddenly increase. So Arniautovic is leaving, it's not ideal, but it could be a lot worse. None of those have the personality or occupy the opposition like Arnie. Maybe in time. He will, like N'Zonzi, be a massive miss for us. Life goes on though. It does. That's football, buying and selling. Every single pence we receive for arnie should be reinvested into the playing side to make us stronger. As long as this is done properly and with thought then this might not hurt us too much. I love the guy, he's great and I don't want him to go but this is gonna happen so it's over to the club to deal with this and improve us. To be honest that worries me more than arnie leaving. Get it right stoke. Please
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Post by Davef on Jul 11, 2017 7:47:17 GMT
Arnie is a perennial disruptive influence who cannot stand NOT being the centre of attention. Bet he really extended the hand of friendship to Imbula ! How do you know he is? How do you know what the other players in the squad think of him? The video of Bojan and Muniesa greeting him at the start of training last week doesn't point to him being an unpopular player. You could say exactly the same thing about Ronaldo at Real Madrid. And you'd probably be wrong about that as well.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 11, 2017 7:47:35 GMT
This has probably already been mentioned but maybe he signed a new contract on the basis that he can leave the following summer if we hadn't qualified for Europe?
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Post by davyboy on Jul 11, 2017 7:49:52 GMT
On his day Arnie is superb, but it has never happened consistently enough for me. If we can get 20 mill and bring in another top quality winger with better attitude then so be it. Also his departure will give Sobi a chance to prove he is good enough for Prem. I do however, sympathise with Arnie's view that we lack ambition. Backroom staff seem to be dragging their feet over transfers, when several other teams have nearly finished their business.If Arnie goes to a bigger team than West Ham, I think he will end up bench warming!!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2017 7:51:10 GMT
This has probably already been mentioned but maybe he signed a new contract on the basis that he can leave the following summer if we hadn't qualified for Europe? We probably told him we were going to invest to get better and what we've actually done is stunt the spending and regressed. It's not like Hughes to say one thing and do another though is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 7:58:05 GMT
Having slept on it...fuck him.
I think I'm more concerned about what this potentially 'signals' for the club, rather than I am losing Arnautovic for the right money? I suppose it's galling to think that any player feels that West Ham is a step up, but if that's his opinion....
Will it make potential signings think twice? It might actually...it's not good 'PR' after all.
As someone's already said, you can use this as a springboard to re-build parts of your squad, and christ we need it. We've got a couple of significant saleable assets, which should generate enough cash to overhaul half the first XI. Would I trust us to do that properly? No
If he rocks up for West Ham here next season, I might just save half my Wrights Pie for him 😐
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 8:00:27 GMT
On his day Arnie is superb, but it has never happened consistently enough for me. If we can get 20 mill and bring in another top quality winger with better attitude then so be it. Also his departure will give Sobi a chance to prove he is good enough for Prem. I do however, sympathise with Arnie's view that we lack ambition. Backroom staff seem to be dragging their feet over transfers, when several other teams have nearly finished their business.If Arnie goes to a bigger team than West Ham, I think he will end up bench warming!! Where are we finding this top quality winger for 20M from? Bang average Jack Cork is going for 11M!
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 8:01:42 GMT
No disrespect to West Ham but actually, I think they are the probably the upper limit for Arnie's capabilities in the PL
Not as quick last year as previous season and frequently found 'rolling over' or 'sitting on his arse'. Think he could end up on his arse again
Let's see if a rush of clubs ensues for his signature
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Post by RAF on Jul 11, 2017 8:01:42 GMT
Arnie is a perennial disruptive influence who cannot stand NOT being the centre of attention. Bet he really extended the hand of friendship to Imbula ! Obviously you have cast iron proof of this so please share all the facts with us. Otherwise some people might mistake you for a bullshit merchant. H
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 11, 2017 8:03:01 GMT
If Hughes had been replaced by a progressive young manager at the end of last season, this wouldn't be happening, would it?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 11, 2017 8:04:48 GMT
Out of all these posts and all the news reports I've not seen one comment on how bad the knee injury is? anyone know? You can see him walking about fine at the end of the game and giving Souttar a little pat on the face (about 1:42).
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Post by RAF on Jul 11, 2017 8:05:19 GMT
On his day Arnie is superb, but it has never happened consistently enough for me. If we can get 20 mill and bring in another top quality winger with better attitude then so be it. Also his departure will give Sobi a chance to prove he is good enough for Prem. I do however, sympathise with Arnie's view that we lack ambition. Backroom staff seem to be dragging their feet over transfers, when several other teams have nearly finished their business.If Arnie goes to a bigger team than West Ham, I think he will end up bench warming!! Where consistency is concerned neither is Bojan, Shaq or Affelay. If they were consistent they wouldn't be with us in the first place. H
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 8:07:51 GMT
Arnie is a perennial disruptive influence who cannot stand NOT being the centre of attention. Bet he really extended the hand of friendship to Imbula ! Obviously you have cast iron proof of this so please share all the facts with us. Otherwise some people might mistake you for a bullshit merchant. H He's an arrogant twat who can't stand someone else in the playground having a better mobile phone than his. Just my shit opinion mate!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 8:11:27 GMT
I just hope this transfer isn't going to drag on too long now. If he's going he's going, let's just get the thing over and done with at the right price for the Club so we can hopefully reinvest as soon as possible so the collateral damage is kept to a minimum.
Thanks Arnie, now let's get your replacement in, and also get on with strengthening the team.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 11, 2017 8:13:00 GMT
Obviously you have cast iron proof of this so please share all the facts with us. Otherwise some people might mistake you for a bullshit merchant. H He's an arrogant twat who can't stand someone else in the playground having a better mobile phone than his. Just my shit opinion mate!! Based on what? He seems to be one of the most popular members of the squad. He offers encouragement to the younger players, even when they play in his position. If he fucks off to West Ham I'll be furious with him fucking us over for another few quid, but he's been superb for us. The Arnie some people are describing isn't the one I've watched over the past couple of seasons. As for these 'consistent wingers', who are they? It's a position that doesn't lend itself to consistency. If you want one who turns it on every single week they're going to cost you £30-£40m.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2017 8:13:47 GMT
Seems Arnie ok surprise surprise
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 11, 2017 8:14:40 GMT
I just hope this transfer isn't going to drag on too long now. If he's going he's going, let's just get the thing over and done with at the right price for the Club so we can hopefully reinvest as soon as possible so the collateral damage is kept to a minimum. Thanks Arnie, now let's get your replacement in, and also get on with strengthening the team. We have a ready made replacement. What we need is new back line players.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 11, 2017 8:15:12 GMT
I just hope this transfer isn't going to drag on too long now. If he's going he's going, let's just get the thing over and done with at the right price for the Club so we can hopefully reinvest as soon as possible so the collateral damage is kept to a minimum. Thanks Arnie, now let's get your replacement in, and also get on with strengthening the team. Can see West Ham dragging it out and hoping player pressure does the job. They certainly aren't going to lob £25m down tomorrow, are they? Worst case scenario is they never get up to the kind of fee that'd even allow us to accept, even if we were inclined which you'd think would be north of £20m.
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Post by RAF on Jul 11, 2017 8:15:44 GMT
Obviously you have cast iron proof of this so please share all the facts with us. Otherwise some people might mistake you for a bullshit merchant. H He's an arrogant twat who can't stand someone else in the playground having a better mobile phone than his. Just my shit opinion mate!! Fair enough, opinions opinions! H :)
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 11, 2017 8:27:05 GMT
Having slept on it...fuck him. I think I'm more concerned about what this potentially 'signals' for the club, 1 rather than I am losing Arnautovic for the right money? I suppose it's galling to think that any player feels that West Ham is a step up,2 but if that's his opinion.... Will it make potential signings think twice? It might actually...it's not good 'PR' after all. As someone's already said, you can use this as a springboard to re-build parts of your squad, and christ we need it. We've got a couple of significant saleable assets, which should generate enough cash to overhaul half the first XI. Would I trust us to do that properly? No If he rocks up for West Ham here next season, I might just save half my Wrights Pie for him 😐 1. I understand, but also think most people in the game know what Arni is like and won't pay much attention to what he says. 2. I have lived outside North Staffs for over 50 years (but still have relatives there) and I don't think people in the area realise how little the area is thought of by the rest of the country. Many think Stoke City have no right to be in the Prem and would consider West Ham a much bigger more attractive club, but most people just don't even ever think about Stoke and would have difficulty telling you where it was, particularly those south of Birmingham or the east side of the country.
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Jul 11, 2017 8:45:09 GMT
We have had this many times over the years with our so called prize assets and hey look were still here, and were a very established Premier team now.
In my time we have seen the following leave us, not all demanding a move I hasten to add.
Jimmy Greenhoff Garth Crooks Mickey Thomas Mark Chamberlain Inchy Heath Paul Bracewell Steve Bould Lee Dixon etc etc etc you get the jist.
Move him on, use the money wisely to buy someone who wants to play for us, we will be a lot healthier for it.
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