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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 11, 2017 4:47:38 GMT
If he really wants to leave then the management should set with him and ask him if it's for better salary then we should negotiate increasing his salary by a reasonable amount. If not and he insists that he leaves then ask him and WH for a delay till January. So, that we can evaluate our options or at least gain some time to integrate Sobhi while we still have Arni. If he wants to leave for more money he should be told to fuck off He was happy to sign a 4 million a year contract less than a year ago the money grabbing arsehole
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Post by miggo on Jul 11, 2017 5:00:51 GMT
Sobhi won't be at Stoke in a few years if his development continues as it has been. When he adds end product to his game - which will come with maturity - he'll command a very large transfer fee. Any player who has a good season could leave the next to a bigger club. That's how this league works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 5:01:50 GMT
No harsh feelings from me, Arnie has been amazing at times and given everything in his time here. If he wants to go then we need to make sure we get a decent fee and move on. In this inflated market we should slap a 30m+ tag on him, if they won't pay the going rate then he stays and sits out his contract.
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Post by miggo on Jul 11, 2017 5:03:01 GMT
If he really wants to leave then the management should set with him and ask him if it's for better salary then we should negotiate increasing his salary by a reasonable amount. If not and he insists that he leaves then ask him and WH for a delay till January. So, that we can evaluate our options or at least gain some time to integrate Sobhi while we still have Arni. If he wants to leave for more money he should be told to fuck off He was happy to sign a 4 million a year contract less than a year ago the money grabbing arsehole What if he thinks the exact same as we are all thinking, we are going backwards. Ambitious players always want to win trophies and we look a million miles away from winning anything. Maybe he's just pissed off the same as we all are.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 11, 2017 5:06:02 GMT
Just not West Ham. I'd look on that as sticking 2 fingers up at the club as they've been accused themselves as lacking ambition,
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jul 11, 2017 5:16:54 GMT
Sobhi? "You'll win nowt with kids..."
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 11, 2017 5:18:16 GMT
If he wants to leave for more money he should be told to fuck off He was happy to sign a 4 million a year contract less than a year ago the money grabbing arsehole What if he thinks the exact same as we are all thinking, we are going backwards. Ambitious players always want to win trophies and we look a million miles away from winning anything. Maybe he's just pissed off the same as we all are. Well if he thought he would win trophies in the first place with Stoke he was a idiot It has been stated that he wants to stay in the premier league That leaves the top six and Everton sign for anyone else and it shows nothing more than a grubby money grab
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Post by wembley1972 on Jul 11, 2017 5:19:34 GMT
There are a lot on here being disrespectful to Arnie in my mind. I bet most of them have also had a go at the club because we don't seem to be linked firmly with any exciting signings. I'm pissed off about that myself. No matter what anyone says he is one of, if not our best player, how do they think he feels about the lack of signings? I want him to stay but understand he wants progression whilst he must see what looks like regression and he is better informed than us. Makes me wonder what promises were made to get him to sign his last contract. If Arnie goes, Shaq will be next I reckon. We don't look like we want Imbula. LACK OF AMBITION !!! He is spot on in my opinion. Good luck to him if he goes, I certainly won't be on his case if he does stay. The Coates don't know whether to stick or twist with Hughes, they have to back or sack. They are doing nothing, this sends negative vibes to fans and players alike. We will end up keeping the mercenaries that can't find another club and losing those with any desire. He absolutely isn't joining West Ham for 'ambition'. Ask their fans about their ambition. As an aside as I think someone else said That Arnie is making a mistake. Their crowd won't put up with his antics like we do,can see that move turning sour. PSG? He wouldn't get anywhere near their team. Milan, that would fit better. Don't get me wrong I don't necessarily think West Ham are massively more ambitious than us, they are probably the only club to come in for him. Arnie must see them as a route out after being on the face of it let down by our management showing sod all interest in significant strengthening of the team. Like it or not West Ham are viewed by most as a bigger more glamorous club than ours.
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Post by senojbor on Jul 11, 2017 5:34:58 GMT
Trouble is with him, he himself thinks he is better than he really is. He will struggle in a top side because they will not put up with his inconsistencies. Oh we'll let him go I say...
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Post by chumley on Jul 11, 2017 5:44:30 GMT
If he goes to West Ham he will give it 12 months then he will want to move to a bigger club, it's all his way of getting to a champions league club , but as stated he isnt consistent enough, he should in my opinion be already playing champions league football but his head never seems straight and he's a mardarse.
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Post by premrandallsbday on Jul 11, 2017 5:58:48 GMT
So Everton sell their prize asset and then reinvest to invigorate their side (not necessarily in that order) and we watch on with envy....."why can't Stoke show the same ambition?"
We sign a hugely experienced British midfielder with a solid track record and a very exciting potential England full back, we also have Bojan back in the fold - then our maverick winger who is, at best highly inconsistent, puts in a transfer request and suddenly the world is coming to an end!
Let's face it the changes need to rung - last season was average at best....Arnie included, so why not stick out for £25-30M and sell Arnie to WHU? We have a ready made replacement in Ramadan who needs Premiership game time to develop. Suppose Arnie had gone out an damaged cruciate knee ligaments in the first game we'd have still been without him - but we'd all have said "what a shame for the lad...but we've got Ramadan!"
I know it hurts to hear that he cites lack of ambition at the club we love for requesting a transfer - but you know that's agents talk for "I sense an opportunity for a big money move"
So - take the money...spend it wisely and move on...just like Everton have done
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2017 6:02:55 GMT
I'd suggest Everton haven't spent the money wisely, they've paid over the odds for every signing they've made and we won't be able to do that by getting in £25m compared to their £75m. Although in saying that, I do hope IF he goes we will sort out the areas of the team that need sorting with top quality players.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 11, 2017 6:10:15 GMT
Trouble is with him, he himself thinks he is better than he really is. He will struggle in a top side because they will not put up with his inconsistencies. Oh we'll let him go I say... I agree. His 'moments' are every now and then, and in some ways it would be a relief to have a proper hard working fast direct winger who doesn't hold his leg Everytime he loses the ball and who doesn't throw his arms in the air and sulk when things aren't going well for him. And let's face it, I bet we've all seen more arms in the air than 'moments'.
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Post by premrandallsbday on Jul 11, 2017 6:19:13 GMT
A fair point as we would not be sitting at the same table and they have certainly paid top dollar....however, given that all the noises were that we had a pitiful warchest in the summer transfer window this could at least give us some options
The shape of the side will change with SJW and Glenn Whelan gone (and going) - given our fixture list and the doom and gloom about our traditional poor start let's see the likes of Bojan, Ramadan given extended runs - hell Imbula even! If, as many naysayers believe, we'll be lucky to pick up any results early on then lets give some of the quality players a run and see what happens with a settled line-up
I for one can't remember when we had a consistent 11 and allowed them to grow an understanding
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 6:19:16 GMT
At least now the dust has settled on Arnie's transfer request we are getting more considered perspectives. If he goes he goes, my main concern is that the Club DO go out and properly strengthen the areas of the team that are desperate for serious improvement, and they DON'T just penny pinch or sign make do players to fill a gap. I know Hughes has said he'll be giving youth a chance but there needs to be experienced, quality players brought in to strengthen the team as well.
Just hope the transfer team are hard at work on the right type of players we desperately need, but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a shambles for some time now.
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Post by RAF on Jul 11, 2017 6:24:15 GMT
Trouble is with him, he himself thinks he is better than he really is. He will struggle in a top side because they will not put up with his inconsistencies. Oh we'll let him go I say... I agree. His 'moments' are every now and then, and in some ways it would be a relief to have a proper hard working fast direct winger who doesn't hold his leg Everytime he loses the ball and who doesn't throw his arms in the air and sulk when things aren't going well for him. And let's face it, I bet we've all seen more arms in the air than 'moments'. There we have it Ladies and Gents. 'Proper Aard working' Straight from the Pulis manual. H
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Post by sportsman on Jul 11, 2017 6:27:36 GMT
I agree. His 'moments' are every now and then, and in some ways it would be a relief to have a proper hard working fast direct winger who doesn't hold his leg Everytime he loses the ball and who doesn't throw his arms in the air and sulk when things aren't going well for him. And let's face it, I bet we've all seen more arms in the air than 'moments'. There we have it Ladies and Gents. 'Proper Aard working' Straight from the Pulis manual. H Why is it from the pulis manual? So you don't want your players to put maximum effort in? You're obsessed with pulis.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 11, 2017 6:28:57 GMT
I agree. His 'moments' are every now and then, and in some ways it would be a relief to have a proper hard working fast direct winger who doesn't hold his leg Everytime he loses the ball and who doesn't throw his arms in the air and sulk when things aren't going well for him. And let's face it, I bet we've all seen more arms in the air than 'moments'. There we have it Ladies and Gents. 'Proper Aard working' Straight from the Pulis manual. H So by picking out the hard working winger, I take it you can't disagree with anything else?
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Post by PottersBrim on Jul 11, 2017 6:31:01 GMT
I don't think we've got enough threads about Arnautovic. Congratulations on starting another one.
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Post by moz on Jul 11, 2017 6:34:39 GMT
If he really wants to leave then the management should set with him and ask him if it's for better salary then we should negotiate increasing his salary by a reasonable amount. If not and he insists that he leaves then ask him and WH for a delay till January. So, that we can evaluate our options or at least gain some time to integrate Sobhi while we still have Arni. If he wants to leave for more money he should be told to fuck off He was happy to sign a 4 million a year contract less than a year ago the money grabbing arsehole And him fucking off will solve what?. We're in a new era of football an awful one but we should decide to either stay sentimental and hold on to the principals of the old days when players were not swayed by money and fame or get along with knowing that now money and fame is what the majority of the players seek and want. Football as we know it is coming to an end and now it's just like any business and only the fans that are loyal.
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Post by RAF on Jul 11, 2017 6:35:10 GMT
There we have it Ladies and Gents. 'Proper Aard working' Straight from the Pulis manual. H Why is it from the pulis manual? So you don't want your players to put maximum effort in? You're obsessed with pulis. Sportsman, you were the one that said if anyone around you sang Pulis Out you would punch them. You are the one that can't appreciate our most skillful and talented player and now insinuating he was lazy and never tracked back or defended which is absolutely not true.Nor did he throw his arms up EVERY time he lost the ball or feigned injury. You are the one who called Jon Walters a legend even though he also put in a transfer request. Now do the math. You could never take any crticism of TP, you don't appreciate skill and you long for 'aard working' players. It's fairly obvious what kind of team you are yearning for. H
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 11, 2017 6:41:37 GMT
Out of all these posts and all the news reports I've not seen one comment on how bad the knee injury is? anyone know?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 11, 2017 6:47:25 GMT
At least now the dust has settled on Arnie's transfer request we are getting more considered perspectives. If he goes he goes, my main concern is that the Club DO go out and properly strengthen the areas of the team that are desperate for serious improvement, and they DON'T just penny pinch or sign make do players to fill a gap. I know Hughes has said he'll be giving youth a chance but there needs to be experienced, quality players brought in to strengthen the team as well. Just hope the transfer team are hard at work on the right type of players we desperately need, but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a shambles for some time now. 2 words Tony Scholes
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 11, 2017 6:47:46 GMT
If he wants to leave for more money he should be told to fuck off He was happy to sign a 4 million a year contract less than a year ago the money grabbing arsehole And him fucking off will solve what?. We're in a new era of football an awful one but we should decide to either stay sentimental and hold on to the principals of the old days when players were not swayed by money and fame or get along with knowing that now money and fame is what the majority of the players seek and want. Football as we know it is coming to an end and now it's just like any business and only the fans that are loyal. Well I for one pefer the sentimental option One team needs to make a stand And I hope it's Stoke and I don't care if it takes us to non league I will still support Stoke how many more on hear can truthfully say they would
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Post by sportsman on Jul 11, 2017 6:47:56 GMT
Why is it from the pulis manual? So you don't want your players to put maximum effort in? You're obsessed with pulis. Sportsman, you were the one that said if anyone around you sang Pulis Out you would punch them. You are the one that can't appreciate our most skillful and talented player and now insinuating he was lazy and never tracked back or defended which is absolutely not true.Nor did he throw his arms up EVERY time he lost the ball or feigned injury. You are the one who called Jon Walters a legend even though he also put in a transfer request. Now do the math. You could never take any crticism of TP, you don't appreciate skill and you long for 'aard working' players. It's fairly obvious what kind of team you are yearning for. H What a load of bollocks. I also said I'd punch anyone who shouted anyone out player or manager. I've had loads of digs at pulis since he left, and backed Hughes. Skillfull players? I love skillfull players. I prefer bojan and shakiri before Arnie. They don't always put a full shift in, but they don't sulk or have a big drama about it. Where have you been for the last few years. I wouldn't go back to pulis football in a million years!
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 11, 2017 6:51:30 GMT
I like Arnie and would prefer him to stay. If he goes I would like full value please, nothing less than £25m.
It does however give us the opportunity to abandon the stupid reverse winger idea, which I hate. It makes us so predictable as our wingers either cut in to shoot or have to stop turn back to cross.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2017 6:53:04 GMT
Arno has been truly ace for us BUT all things must pass. If he goes he goes.
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Post by skelman on Jul 11, 2017 6:54:38 GMT
Does this mean I have to rename my dog? Mate you could call him Viktor, then he'd be right happy
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Post by RAF on Jul 11, 2017 6:55:13 GMT
Sportsman, you were the one that said if anyone around you sang Pulis Out you would punch them. You are the one that can't appreciate our most skillful and talented player and now insinuating he was lazy and never tracked back or defended which is absolutely not true.Nor did he throw his arms up EVERY time he lost the ball or feigned injury. You are the one who called Jon Walters a legend even though he also put in a transfer request. Now do the math. You could never take any crticism of TP, you don't appreciate skill and you long for 'aard working' players. It's fairly obvious what kind of team you are yearning for. H What a load of bollocks. I also said I'd punch anyone who shouted anyone out player or manager. I've had loads of digs at pulis since he left, and backed Hughes. Skillfull players? I love skillfull players. I prefer bojan and shakiri before Arnie. They don't always put a full shift in, but they don't sulk or have a big drama about it. Where have you been for the last few years. I wouldn't go back to pulis football in a million years! I've been appreciating the likes of Arnie for the past few years. Fuller was a drama queen, I don't remember him getting much stick for it. So you prefer a winger who is injured for half of the season and a striker who isn't half the player since his cruciate? Neither track back. Fair enough. Just out of interest who do you think we should go for to replace Arnie then? H
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Post by nott1 on Jul 11, 2017 6:56:58 GMT
So Everton sell their prize asset and then reinvest to invigorate their side (not necessarily in that order) and we watch on with envy....."why can't Stoke show the same ambition?" We sign a hugely experienced British midfielder with a solid track record and a very exciting potential England full back, we also have Bojan back in the fold - then our maverick winger who is, at best highly inconsistent, puts in a transfer request and suddenly the world is coming to an end! Let's face it the changes need to rung - last season was average at best....Arnie included, so why not stick out for £25-30M and sell Arnie to WHU? We have a ready made replacement in Ramadan who needs Premiership game time to develop. Suppose Arnie had gone out an damaged cruciate knee ligaments in the first game we'd have still been without him - but we'd all have said "what a shame for the lad...but we've got Ramadan!" I know it hurts to hear that he cites lack of ambition at the club we love for requesting a transfer - but you know that's agents talk for "I sense an opportunity for a big money move" So - take the money...spend it wisely and move on...just like Everton have done Exactly
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